Imperial Nomic: The Final Empire

[+Doomstick he/him]

I will invite @Somebody from Sel @SirWolfe  and @Kings_way to join House Wafre 

[Illwei]

10 minutes ago, Experience said:

I would like to extend an invitation to @Somebody from Sel, @SirWolfe, @Kings_way, and @Illwei to join House Drab. 

EDIT: As well as @Danex.

I was about to ask if youd want to have a nice conversation here but it seems you're willing to betray me :((((

[+Doomstick he/him]

Just now, Illwei said:

I was about to ask if youd want to have a nice conversation here but it seems you're willing to betray me :((((

You can join us

[Illwei]

I will join house 

1 minute ago, Doomstick said:

You can join us

Yeah, after you just assasinated me?

Not exactly how you make friends

Edited October 18, 2020 by Illwei
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[+Doomstick he/him]

Just now, Illwei said:

I will join house 

Yeah, after you just assasinated me?

Not exactly how you make friends

We don’t need to be friends, only allies

[ElectrumSavant he/him]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I will join house 

Wait, which House? Drab or Mist-Wafre?

[dannnex male]

2 hours ago, Illwei said:

Hi just asking: hows everyone doing hows it going anyone wanna help me live? 

@Experience hows it going

@Mist anything i can do to get you to switch sides? :P.

 

Oh well. In that case

@ElectrumSavant

I give 382 atium to Experience of House Drab

I propose

The unjoin rejoin act: that if a house splits up, they must wait for two full pages to go by before they can rejoin any other house.

"I, House Relidan declare that we permanently and irrevocably have chosen to Withdraw from the game, with full understanding that House Relidan's Atium reserves shall be wiped, and any attempt at rejoining will be treated as forming a new House without any prior activity in the game."

EY EY EY EY EY

this post has been edited in retrospect sooooo much 

the original post was just 

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Hi just asking: hows everyone doing hows it going anyone wanna help me live? 

But the edit only says “tag” but you added a heck of a lot more than a tag

I Call for Judgment So hard. Just all the judgment. Calling all of it. 

[+Doomstick he/him]

Just now, Danex said:

EY EY EY EY EY

this post has been edited in retrospect sooooo much 

the original post was just 

But the edit only says “tag” but you added a heck of a lot more than a tag

I Call for Judgment So hard. Just all the judgment. Calling all of it. 

REJOIN

[Illwei]

Just now, Danex said:

But the edit only says “tag” but you added a heck of a lot more than a tag

Interesting. The last thing i edited in though, was tagging Electrum.

 

 

[+Doomstick he/him]

@Danex, are you accepting my invitation or not?

[Illwei]

I give 119 Atium to House Drab

"I, House Relidan declare that we permanently and irrevocably have chosen to Withdraw from the game, with full understanding that House Relidan's Atium reserves shall be wiped, and any attempt at rejoining will be treated as forming a new House without any prior activity in the game."

@ElectrumSavant

Edited October 18, 2020 by Illwei
Tag

[ElectrumSavant he/him]

2 minutes ago, Danex said:

But the edit only says “tag” but you added a heck of a lot more than a tag

I Call for Judgment So hard. Just all the judgment. Calling all of it. 

Judgment

I was actually checking on the thread every few minutes (it was a very exciting time), and I can confirm that all of the edits had a "reason for edit". Illwei could certainly have edited that post in a less confusing way, like by writing "EDIT", but Illwei didn't violate any rules. However, it should be noted that Danex actually violated Rule 410 by not referencing whatever rule he was calling Illwei to Judgment over. @Illwei is found innocent. @Danex is fined 8 Atium for the Mistaken Judgment rule, 8 Atium for violating Rule 410, and because Danex is an Obligator the total is doubled to a fine of 32 Atium.

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

"I, House Relidan declare that we permanently and irrevocably have chosen to Withdraw from the game, with full understanding that House Relidan's Atium reserves shall be wiped, and any attempt at rejoining will be treated as forming a new House without any prior activity in the game."

Sigh... the Withdrawal of House Relidan has been noted. We now do not have a High Prelan...

Also, if Illwei is doing what I think Illwei is doing then there might be a rules exploit that could use patching...

[Illwei]

I will rejoin as House relidan.
Requesting starting amount

 

[Mist she/her]

Text for copying purposes. 

On 8/25/2020 at 10:37 AM, ElectrumSavant said:

004- The Win Condition Act: A player (except for the Lord Ruler) wins when they gather 1,024 Atium. If no one has won by Tuesday, October 20th, 12:00 UTC, the player with the most Atium at that time wins the game.

I propose that Rule 004: The Win Condition Act be amended to read as follows to bring that rule into alignment with gameplay. 

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004- The Win Condition Act: A house (except for the Lord Ruler) wins when they gather 1,024 Atium. If no one has won by Tuesday, October 20th, 12:00 UTC, the house with the most Atium at that time wins the game.

 

On 8/25/2020 at 10:37 AM, ElectrumSavant said:

005- The Game End Act: The game ends when any player wins or on Tuesday, October 20th, 12:00 UTC, whichever is first.

Likewise, I propose that Rule 005 be amended to read as follows:

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005- The Game End Act: The game ends when any house wins or on Tuesday, October 20th, 12:00 UTC, whichever is first.

 

17 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I will join house 

Yeah, after you just assasinated me?

Not exactly how you make friends

House what? 

 

 

I propose a new rule, reading as follows, to patch a possible exploit. 

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XXX (Edit: 513) The Non-Respawning Act: A house may only receive the median starting bonus once. In addition, a house may only receive the invitation bonus once. 

 

Edited October 18, 2020 by Mist
Checked rule number.

[Illwei]

3 minutes ago, ElectrumSavant said:

Sigh... the Withdrawal of House Relidan has been noted. We now do not have a High Prelan...

I'm sorry. also, in your census post, are the fines you stated included in the counts or not. they were posted technically after the census.
Also

I invite @Experience to join House Relidan

Edited October 18, 2020 by Illwei
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[+Doomstick he/him]

I propose the Law of loophole patching: a player must wait at least one page before rejoining.

[Experience he/him]

I accept @Illwei's invitation. @ElectrumSavant.

[dannnex male]

14 minutes ago, Doomstick said:

@Danex, are you accepting my invitation or not?

Yep. I am accepting. 

Edited October 18, 2020 by Danex
Clarified answer.

[Illwei]

@ElectrumSavant can we get a census? things are going fast and even I am confused.

Ruins Influence: You can have one spike with zero effect on you. For every additional spike, there is a 15% chance added that any proposal you submit will be rejected, as TLR does not want anyone creating laws who could be influenced by Ruin.

Ammendment to the man who sells seer spikes, he is now the Spike Seller. He can spike you with any of the 8 main Metals. 

Secret Meetings Act: All clubs have individual, Permanant PMs for them to scheme talk in. No one but the members of the Club may be allowed in the PM.

Vials Of Metals:  There is someone who claims they can sell you 4 vials of the 8 standard metals for 32 Atium. Each Vial can only be used once and for only one of the metals it contains.

Burning Tin: Burn tin and you will be sent a copy of the current page of messages in a club's PM of your choosing.

 

[Mist she/her]

 

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

@ElectrumSavant can we get a census? things are going fast and even I am confused.

Ruins Influence: You can have one spike with zero effect on you. For every additional spike, there is a 15% chance added that any proposal you submit will be rejected, as TLR does not want anyone creating laws who could be influenced by Ruin.

Ammendment to the man who sells seer spikes, he is now the Spike Seller. He can spike you with any of the 8 main Metals. 

Secret Meetings Act: All clubs have individual, Permanant PMs for them to scheme talk in. No one but the members of the Club may be allowed in the PM.

Burning Tin: Burn tin and you will be sent a copy of the current page of messages in a club's PM of your choosing.

I would like to point out that providing pages of PMs is difficult for The Lord Ruler, especially if no one but the members of the PM is allowed in the PM.

Would the 15 percent chance apply after The Lord Ruler makes a decision? 

On 8/25/2020 at 10:37 AM, ElectrumSavant said:

302- The Senate Charter: The Senate is made up of all Active Noble Houses. Any rule change can be seconded by a Noble. Once seconded, it will simultaneously go to the Lord Ruler and to the Senate. A rule change can be passed by either group. The Senate must pass it by 2/3 vote. The 2/3 vote is based on the total number of votes cast, rounded up. If a rule change is accepted or rejected by the Senate before the LR, then the rule change is law and the LR can't accept or reject it afterward.

I propose that Rule 302: The Senate Charter be amended to read as follows, because it implies that The Lord Ruler requires a second to be able to pass a law, and that is not the case, as stated in Rule 101, quoted below. 

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302- The Senate Charter: The Senate is made up of all Active Noble Houses. Any rule change can be seconded by a Noble. Once seconded, it will go to the Senate. A rule change can be passed by either group. The Senate must pass it by 2/3 vote. The 2/3 vote is based on the total number of votes cast, rounded up. If a rule change is accepted or rejected by the Senate before the LR, then the rule change is law and the LR can't accept or reject it afterward.

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• 101- The Sliver of Infinity Act: The Lord Ruler has the power to approve or reject all rule changes. The Lord Ruler cannot make rule changes on his/her own. However, the Lord Ruler can post suggestions about laws that he/she would support, and can provide reasoning in the posts listing rejections and approvals. The Lord Ruler cannot gain or lose Atium while in office. The Lord Ruler cannot win while in office.

 

On 8/25/2020 at 10:37 AM, ElectrumSavant said:

510- The Starting Bonus Act: The starting amount of Atium for new players shall be the median of all other active players' balances. Choosing to accept this starting bonus means that the new player cannot join another House unless at the time of joining they have posted at least once in each of the two previous pages.

I propose that Rule 510 be amended to read as follows to prevent new players from joining other houses prematurely.

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510- The Starting Bonus Act: The starting amount of Atium for new players shall be the median of all other active players' balances. Choosing to accept this starting bonus means that the new player cannot join another House unless at the time of joining they have posted at least once as that incarnation of that house in each of the two previous pages.

 

[+Doomstick he/him]

On 8/25/2020 at 9:37 AM, ElectrumSavant said:

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• 510- The Starting Bonus Act: The starting amount of Atium for new players shall be the median of all other active players' balances. Choosing to accept this starting bonus means that the new player cannot join another House unless at the time of joining they have posted at least once in each of the two previous pages.

I would like to amend the rule to say:

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• 510- The Starting Bonus Act: The starting amount of Atium for new players shall be the median of all other active players' balances. Choosing to accept this starting bonus means that the new player cannot join another House or have another player join theirs unless at the time of joining they have posted at least once in each of the two previous pages.

Rule change in bold (I’m on mobile and can’t change color)

[Illwei]

1 hour ago, ElectrumSavant said:

If House Wafreightejyw-Mist forms again, they would be 76 Atium short of the 1,024 win goal.

I also ask about the Census because I have them at 909 right now.

[ElectrumSavant he/him]

Rust and Ruin! SO... MUCH... MATH!

I appoint Electrum Savant, the Lord Ruler, as acting High Prelan.

===

The Lord Ruler - ElectrumSavant

THE NOBLE HOUSES

(932) - House Wafreightejyw-Mist (Doomstick, Mist Obligator, Danex Obligator)

(876) - House Drab (Experience)

(287) - House Somebody (Somebody From Sel) Lotto Winner

(116) - House Aot (SirWolfe)

(94) - House Hollow (Kings_Way)

(231) - House Relidan (Illwei)

===

20 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I will rejoin as House relidan.
Requesting starting amount

Welcome to the Final Empire! Man, Relidan sure is a common name these days!

20 minutes ago, Mist said:

I propose that Rule 004: The Win Condition Act be amended to read as follows to bring that rule into alignment with gameplay. 

20 minutes ago, Mist said:

Likewise, I propose that Rule 005 be amended to read as follows:

Both are Rejected. There isn't a need to differentiate, because it is the same either way.

20 minutes ago, Mist said:

The Non-Respawning Act: A house may only receive the median starting bonus once. In addition, a house may only receive the invitation bonus once. 

Approved. Thank you very much.

18 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I'm sorry. also, in your census post, are the fines you stated included in the counts or not. they were posted technically after the census.

If you mean the fines that were in the same post as the census, yes they were included.

18 minutes ago, Doomstick said:

I propose the Law of loophole patching: a player must wait at least one page before rejoining.

Approved. Sorry, Illwei, exploit a rule too often and it gets fixed.

14 minutes ago, Experience said:

I accept @Illwei's invitation.

Sorry, it's too late to accept that request to merge houses because Illwei withdrew in the time in between. You'll have to either offer it again yourself or wait for Illwei to offer it again.

14 minutes ago, Danex said:

Yep. 

Okay... *grabs calculator*

 

@Illwei @Mist @Doomstick I don't even have time to look at your proposals yet, I'll consider it all in an edit.

Edited October 18, 2020 by ElectrumSavant
Forgot Lotto

[ElectrumSavant he/him]

14 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Ruins Influence: You can have one spike with zero effect on you. For every additional spike, there is a 15% chance added that any proposal you submit will be rejected, as TLR does not want anyone creating laws who could be influenced by Ruin.

Approved. Granted, I don't think that this game will go on long enough for this to be really used, but who knows. I will do the RNG before considering the proposal.

14 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Ammendment to the man who sells seer spikes, he is now the Spike Seller. He can spike you with any of the 8 main Metals. 

Approved.

14 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Vials Of Metals:  There is someone who claims they can sell you 4 vials of the 8 standard metals for 32 Atium. Each Vial can only be used once and for only one of the metals it contains.

Approved.

14 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Burning Tin: Burn tin and you will be sent a copy of the current page of messages in a club's PM of your choosing.

10 minutes ago, Mist said:

I would like to point out that providing pages of PMs is difficult for The Lord Ruler, especially if no one but the members of the PM is allowed in the PM.

Rejected, for the reason Mist gave here.

10 minutes ago, Mist said:

I propose that Rule 302: The Senate Charter be amended to read as follows, because it implies that The Lord Ruler requires a second to be able to pass a law, and that is not the case, as stated in Rule 101, quoted below. 

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302- The Senate Charter: The Senate is made up of all Active Noble Houses. Any rule change can be seconded by a Noble. Once seconded, it will go to the Senate. A rule change can be passed by either group. The Senate must pass it by 2/3 vote. The 2/3 vote is based on the total number of votes cast, rounded up. If a rule change is accepted or rejected by the Senate before the LR, then the rule change is law and the LR can't accept or reject it afterward.

Approved.

11 minutes ago, Mist said:

I propose that Rule 510 be amended to read as follows to prevent new players from joining other houses prematurely.

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510- The Starting Bonus Act: The starting amount of Atium for new players shall be the median of all other active players' balances. Choosing to accept this starting bonus means that the new player cannot join another House unless at the time of joining they have posted at least once as that incarnation of that house in each of the two previous pages.

10 minutes ago, Doomstick said:

I would like to amend the rule to say:

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• 510- The Starting Bonus Act: The starting amount of Atium for new players shall be the median of all other active players' balances. Choosing to accept this starting bonus means that the new player cannot join another House or have another player join theirs unless at the time of joining they have posted at least once in each of the two previous pages.

Since the problem has already been fixed with an earlier proposal, I am going to Abstain these.

[Guest Somebody from Scadrial]

3 hours ago, ElectrumSavant said:

This act is frankly too complicated and confusingly worded. I don't think it is a bad idea, but if you want it passed either have someone second it or else reword it to make it more easily understandable

Will give bullet points

- every house has one mistborn by default (they can get another by hiring them of the black market) 

- all mistborn have 16 health if two (or more) mistborn "fight" they each lose four health

- if there are more than 2 mistborn in a "fight" the health loss is divided between the two evenly if it the number is uneven the first mistborn takes the extra

- for every extra mistborn the smaller side loses 2 more health 

- if a mistborn gets 4 to 1 health they are considered "injured" if a mistborn is injured they cannot be used for 3 pages to heal

- if a mistborn gets 0 or less health they are considered "dead" and the next time that same house wants to hire a mistborn they have to pay an extra 4 atium

 

Edited October 18, 2020 by Somebody from Sel