Imperial Nomic: The Final Empire

[Mist she/her]

5 minutes ago, Doomstick said:

Idea (not actual proposal yet)

the interesting rule: every house that votes yea on this rule gains twice as much atium as a house that did not vote yea when said house gains atium

(e.g. Houses A & B vote yea, House C votes Nay (or abstains) if one of House C's rules is passed,  Houses A & B each gain 32 atium and House C gains 16)

 

what do you think?

Slightly biased. It would double rewards for active houses, because I doubt anyone would want to vote against. 

Edit: And I made a new page. Sorry Illwei.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Mist
I made a new page. Flame on!

[+Doomstick he/him]

I'm probably not actually going to propose it (see rule 16, original Nomic)

[Illwei]

HOUSE RELIDAN'S OFFICIAL CENSUS 
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The Lord Ruler
ElectrumSavant 

NOBLE HOUSES
(565) - House Wafre (DoomStick, Danex Obligator, Mist Obligator)
(673) - House Relidan (Illwei): Lord Prelan
(94) - House Hollow (Kings_way)
(116) - House Aot (SirWolfe) Winner of the Lotto
(272) - House Drab (Experience) 
(227) - House Somebody (Somebody From Sel)

PENDING PROPOSALS

3 hours ago, Doomstick said:

I would like to ammend Rule 10, as a real Noble House would not need permission to withdraw from Luthadel.

2 hours ago, Doomstick said:

I would also like to amend rule 507 in the above way

1 hour ago, Experience said:

I would like to propose the following act: 

The Final Empire Act: On October 15th, US Central time. The Lord Ruler will add a poll to the thread that includes each house and TLR. Everyone votes unanimously for which house/LR they want to become the next Lord Ruler.  On October 17th, US Central time, the house that has the most votes becomes TLR. If TLR has the most votes, they remain TLR. 

1 hour ago, Illwei said:

Something I think could get expanded Upon:

I Propose:

The Status Act: As there are two classes, there are two Statuses as Nobles. High Status and Lowly. Lowly Nobles are Fined at a 1.25 rate for fines and are rewarded only .75 of the full Atium awards for Things such as Proposals. All costs of things such as Mistborn are at 1.25 price as well.
One can move up from being a Lowly Noble to a High Status Noble by remaining infraction free (no fines) for one page. they must have at least 5 posts on said page, and have taken at least 2 relevant game actions in said posts.

The Black Market: The black market is a shop that High Status Nobles (All current Nobles, no) can use to purchase up to one (1) Extra Mistborn. This Mistborn will be at double the normal price. there are no Limits to how many times a House can purchase an Extra Mistborn, but with each purchase comes 20%, stackable chance of you getting caught. being caught results in you being reduced to a Lowly Noble and loss of 25% of your Atium

54 minutes ago, Experience said:

To be proposed for Era 2, or whatever the sequel will be, I propose: 

The Rule of Ascension: At the end of the game, whoever is The Lord Ruler will have the choice to Ascend to Harmony for Era 2 if they wish. If they don't want to, then the person who has the most atium (otherwise known as the winner?) will Ascend to Harmony. The rules for this role will be decided in Era 2 (or whatever the sequel thread is). 

 

Edited October 15, 2020 by Illwei
lots more censi then I thought there would be

[+Doomstick he/him]

2 minutes ago, Doomstick said:

I'm probably not actually going to propose it (see rule 16, original Nomic)

this is rule 16:

Quote

16. Voidus’ Law of Unfair Advantage: All those who support this rule shall gain two points for every point that is gained by someone who did not support this rule.

 

[Illwei]

@Experience I formally invite you to join my house on the condition that if one of us wishes to leave, we keep the Atium that we contribute.

[+Doomstick he/him]

Just now, Illwei said:

@Experience I formally invite you to join my house on the condition that if one of us wishes to leave, we keep the Atium that we contribute.

as of now, TLR chooses what atium goes to whom

 

I am formally inviting you too @Experience

Edited October 15, 2020 by Doomstick
inviting @experience

[Illwei]

@Experience Though, do you really want to Join another House? You may come join mine, though winning because of an Alliance just isn't as satisfying. 

Anyways:
Ideas of a proposal involving my black market Idea:

Bets can lower your Status depending on factors involving the obligators and inquisitors. Any Ideas guys?

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I also  Call for Judgement  on Doomstick for abusing the Senate PM :P.

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Edited October 15, 2020 by Illwei
Call for judgement

[+Doomstick he/him]

15 minutes ago, Illwei said:

HOUSE RELIDAN'S OFFICIAL CENSUS 
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The Lord Ruler
ElectrumSavant 

NOBLE HOUSES
(565) - House Wafre (DoomStick, Danex Obligator, Mist Obligator)
(657) - House Relidan (Illwei): Lord Prelan
(94) - House Hollow (Kings_way)
(116) - House Aot (SirWolfe) Winner of the Lotto
(272) - House Drab (Experience) 
(227) - House Somebody (Somebody From Sel)

 

3 hours ago, Illwei said:

HOUSE RELIDAN'S Probably Last OFFICIAL CENSUS :(((
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The Lord Ruler
ElectrumSavant 

NOBLE HOUSES
(565) - House Wafre (DoomStick, Danex Obligator, Mist Obligator)
(657) - House Relidan (Illwei): Lord Prelan
(94) - House Hollow (Kings_way)
(96) - House Aot (SirWolfe) 
(272) House Drab (Experience) Winner of the Lotto...

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Doomstick made me sad :'(

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EDIT: wat?

 

 

On 8/25/2020 at 9:37 AM, ElectrumSavant said:

and any pending rule changes 

(from rule 201)

I call for judgement!

Since the rule of peanut butter applies only to proposals, I can call for judgement on both of these.

[Illwei]

3 minutes ago, Doomstick said:

(from rule 201)

I call for judgement!

Since the rule of peanut butter applies only to proposals, I can call for judgement on both of these.

oooh nooo. 16 Atium. Whatever am I to do without it.

[+Doomstick he/him]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

oooh nooo. 16 Atium. Whatever am I to do without it.

Oooh nooo. Eight atium. Whatever am I to do without it?

[Illwei]

Proposal: 

Yummy Yummy Atium: If you choose to consume 32 of your atium, you will then gain a one time use of an extra vote in the senate (er, seeing the future? idea?)  to use on someone else's proposal. (not able for use on your own proposal)

Edited October 15, 2020 by Illwei
clarified my thinking

[+Doomstick he/him]

Proposal: the Mistborn Threatening Act a house can use a mistborn to gain an extra vote in an election

I call for judgement!

Illwei has edited their post without updating the "reason for edit" field

screenshot for right now's reason below, quote containing previous contents in a previous post

Edited October 15, 2020 by Doomstick
judgement

[Illwei]

24 minutes ago, Doomstick said:

Illwei has edited their post without updating the "reason for edit" field

Hm...Don't see the problem. 

I edited a post, I included a reason. was the reason not good enough for you? :P.

Proposal: The Rule of Understanding: 

All Call for Judgements must also quote the rule in question

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Tsk Tsk. for someone who claims to want me in their House, you're awfully aqqressive towards me :P.

 

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Edited October 15, 2020 by Illwei
Proposal V2. Taunting. yes those are Qs

[Experience he/him]

I thank both of you for the offers, but I still need to decide who I would like to join. In the meantime, would anyone like to make a bet? 

[ElectrumSavant he/him]

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11 hours ago, Doomstick said:

I would like to ammend Rule 10, as a real Noble House would not need permission to withdraw from Luthadel.

Rejected. It isn't permission, but it is acknowledgment. And requiring someone else to note that you are gone can prevent some forms of cheating.

10 hours ago, Doomstick said:

On 8/25/2020 at 11:37 AM, ElectrumSavant said:

507- The Act of Union: Players can join another house, adding their Atium totals and making it so if one wins, the other wins. if they want to split back into separate houses later, the Lord Ruler decides how much of their combined Atium each gets Atium is distributed evenly based on the amount of Players in each part (so if a 4 Player Union was split into 2 & 2, each half would get half, but if it was split into 1 & 3, the group with 3 players gets 3/4 of the atium and the lone player gets 1/4). Both players must agree to the House merger, and limits on Mistborn still apply to Houses, not individuals. Each House only gets one vote in the Senate and a player may not second a proposal that was proposed by a member of their house. Not all houses may be allied at once, as that would allow all players to achieve victory at once

I would also like to amend rule 507 in the above way

Approved.

10 hours ago, Illwei said:

I call for judgement on Doomstick for double posting, in violation of rule 603:

Judgment

Yep, that's a double post. @Doomstick is fined 3 Atium, per the Anti-Double Posting Act. @Illwei will receive 1 Atium as a reward.

9 hours ago, Experience said:

The Final Empire Act: On October 15th, US Central time. The Lord Ruler will add a poll to the thread that includes each house and TLR. Everyone votes unanimously for which house/LR they want to become the next Lord Ruler.  On October 17th, US Central time, the house that has the most votes becomes TLR. If TLR has the most votes, they remain TLR. 

Rejected. Alright, here's the problem I have with appointing a new Lord Ruler: whoever becomes the new Lord Ruler will have to be updating all of the rules in a central location. In the past for this thread, that has always been the first post, maintained by me. If someone else becomes the Lord Ruler, whoever it is will have to come up with a brand new place to put all of the laws that are approved. Considering that the game is going to end in 5 days, 4 hours, and 42 minutes, I don't think it is practical for there to be a new LR at this stage of the game. 

9 hours ago, Illwei said:

The Status Act: As there are two classes, there are two Statuses as Nobles. High Status and Lowly. Lowly Nobles are Fined at a 1.25 rate for fines and are rewarded only .75 of the full Atium awards for Things such as Proposals. All costs of things such as Mistborn are at 1.25 price as well.
One can move up from being a Lowly Noble to a High Status Noble by remaining infraction free (no fines) for one page. they must have at least 5 posts on said page, and have taken at least 2 relevant game actions in said posts.

I don't know about this act. I'm worried that the 1.25 rate will be too fiddly and that it will be too difficult for everyone to know if they are High or Lowly.

9 hours ago, Illwei said:

The Black Market: The black market is a shop that High Status Nobles (All current Nobles, no) can use to purchase up to one (1) Extra Mistborn. This Mistborn will be at double the normal price. there are no Limits to how many times a House can purchase an Extra Mistborn, but with each purchase comes 20%, stackable chance of you getting caught. being caught results in you being reduced to a Lowly Noble and loss of 25% of your Atium

I like this act, but with every act that involves random chance I need to know how it is implemented. Are you expected to do the RNG yourself? Do you have to call in an Obligator? Or is it just a 4 purchase limit where there isn't an actual chance of being penalized before 100% but once you reach 100% with your 5th purchase you are automatically penalized?

8 hours ago, Experience said:

The Rule of Ascension: At the end of the game, whoever is The Lord Ruler will have the choice to Ascend to Harmony for Era 2 if they wish. If they don't want to, then the person who has the most atium (otherwise known as the winner?) will Ascend to Harmony. The rules for this role will be decided in Era 2 (or whatever the sequel thread is). 

Rejected. Sorry, but I already rejected The Final Empire Act which would have established a different Lord Ruler, and I won't be available to get involved in whatever the sequel to this thread is (see my original announcement of the time limit).

@Experience and @Illwei, I noticed your ideas for the sequel to this thread. Here are some potential suggestions for whoever creates the sequel:

• Imperial Nomic: The Well of Ascension (with a King as the leader)
• Imperial Nomic: The Alloy of Law (with a Governor)
• Imperial Nomic: The Catacendre (with a Lord Mistborn)
• Imperial Nomic: Makabak (with a Prime Aquasix)
• Imperial Nomic: Alethkar (with a King)

Right now we don't have someone officially assigned to start the next thread, although @AonEne has said that she will set up a new game if no one else does. If someone wants to set up a rule for who is the leader of the next thread, we can do that. I think that it would be best if whoever the leader of the next thread is will also be the one to set up the thread, so they can edit the first post with an easily-accessible list of rules.

8 hours ago, Somebody from Sel said:

I am a part of the House of Somebody

@Somebody from Sel Welcome to the Final Empire! I don't know if you already have been told this, but as a new player you have the choice to get a starting bonus equal to the median of all other players' Atium, with the consequence of not being able to join another person's House for two pages. Also, this iteration of game ends on the 20th.

8 hours ago, Somebody from Sel said:

I propose that any further posts be in all caps or they forfeit .5 atium rounded up for every lowercase letter

Abstain. This has already been seconded, and I won't get in the way of the democratic process in this instance. But I will note that I enjoy being able to articulate with lowercase letters.

I am Compounding Youth.

Edited October 15, 2020 by ElectrumSavant
Fixed a typo

[Experience he/him]

 

Athlethkar would be cool. We could have a king, then highprinces...

I really want to propose something, but I'm pretty sure this would be rejected. @ElectrumSavant, would you have any chance of accepting this?

The Commonwealth Act: During each census, atium of all players is distributed evenly among them.

This isn't a proposal, just an idea for one that probably won't happen. 

 

[ElectrumSavant he/him]

6 hours ago, Illwei said:

I also  Call for Judgement  on Doomstick for abusing the Senate PM :P.

Judgment

According to Rule 307, "the only thing that should be posted there [in the Senate PM] by members of the Senate is votes". Doomstick's F in the chat (while respectful) was not a vote and was not related to a vote. All of the rest of Doomstick's replies in the PM were on-topic, so the F is the only infraction of this rule. @Doomstick is found guilty and fined 8 Atium. @Illwei receives 2 Atium.

6 hours ago, Doomstick said:

(from rule 201)

I call for judgement!

Since the rule of peanut butter applies only to proposals, I can call for judgement on both of these.

To clarify, @Doomstick, you are pointing out that Illwei did not include pending rule changes, yes? Or is it something else?

6 hours ago, Illwei said:

Yummy Yummy Atium: If you choose to consume 32 of your atium, you will then gain a one time use of an extra vote in the senate (er, seeing the future? idea?)  to use on someone else's proposal. (not able for use on your own proposal)

By "one time" do you mean that you can only consume your Atium once in this way, that you can only do it once per vote, or that you only get one extra one-use vote in the Senate each time you consume your Atium?

6 hours ago, Doomstick said:

Proposal: the Mistborn Threatening Act a house can use a mistborn to gain an extra vote in an election

Accepted. If someone does this, please post that you are doing it in the main thread, otherwise it will be difficult to know when the Mistborn 3-page cooldown is complete.

6 hours ago, Doomstick said:

I call for judgement!

Illwei has edited their post without updating the "reason for edit" field

screenshot for right now's reason below, quote containing previous contents in a previous post

5 hours ago, Illwei said:

Hm...Don't see the problem. 

I edited a post, I included a reason. was the reason not good enough for you? :P.

Judgment

Even if Illwei did not provide a unique "reason for edit" for each edit, Illwei did include a reason for edit for each edit. This reason for edit still explained what Illwei did in the edit. @Illwei is found innocent. @Doomstick is fined 8 Atium per the Mistaken Judgment Rule.

5 hours ago, Illwei said:

The Rule of Understanding: 

All Call for Judgements must also quote the rule in question

Approved. Again, making Judgment easier.

5 minutes ago, Experience said:

The Commonwealth Act: During each census, atium of all players is distributed evenly among them.

No, I probably wouldn't approve this if it were proposed. Since the winner is determined based on who has the most Atium, it would be kind of silly to make everyone's Atium equal every turn. Thanks for posting, by the way; I don't want to double post.

[+Doomstick he/him]

On 8/25/2020 at 9:37 AM, ElectrumSavant said:

• 504- The Allomantic Agreement: Mistborn can only be used once per 3 pages. A House can use a Mistborn (at the same cost) to counter the effects of another Mistborn, but only up to an hour after the Mistborn is sent.

I would like to amend in the above way

On 8/25/2020 at 9:37 AM, ElectrumSavant said:

508- The Assassination Act: Multiple Houses working together can hire Mistborn to assassinate another House. It takes three Mistborn to take down a House. After a House is brought down, all their Atium is divided among the nobles that hired the Mistborn. A victim can hire Mistborn to cancel out other Mistborn. Other Houses can intervene, sending their Mistborn to aid the victim, but only up to a hour after the Mistborn is sent. A noble that is assassinated can continue to play, just loses all their Atium.

I would like to amend in the above way

 

[Illwei]

3 hours ago, Experience said:

Athlethkar would be cool. We could have a king, then highprinces...

Yeah, i had this idea and it took me somewhere and then it was terrible but yeah 

[+Doomstick he/him]

3 hours ago, ElectrumSavant said:

To clarify, @Doomstick, you are pointing out that Illwei did not include pending rule changes, yes? Or is it something else?

yes

[Illwei]

@ElectrumSavant 

You missed it with me yesterday as well, but mist of house wafre is an obligator. Shouldnt that mean that Doomstick is fined 16 Atium?

EDIT 1:

5 hours ago, ElectrumSavant said:

By "one time" do you mean that you can only consume your Atium once in this way, that you can only do it once per vote, or that you only get one extra one-use vote in the Senate each time you consume your Atium?

I'll rewrite for come clarification:

A house may choose to consume 32 of your atium. in exchange for a  one (1) time use of an extra vote in the senate, which cannot be blocked, to use on someone else's proposal. (not able for use on your own house's proposal). You may consume Atium at most one (1) time on each separate page. You must state in Thread that you are doing this.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Illwei
proposal clarification

[Experience he/him]

1 hour ago, Illwei said:

@ElectrumSavant 

You missed it with me yesterday as well, but mist of house wafre is an obligator. Shouldnt that mean that Doomstick is fined 16 Atium?

EDIT 1:

I'll rewrite for come clarification:

A house may choose to consume 32 of your atium. this grants you a one (1) time use of an extra vote in the senate to use on someone else's proposal. (not able for use on your own house's proposal). You may consume Atium at most one (1) time on each separate page. 

Well, is everyone just automatically a mistborn?  Cause then you could just eat your atium to survive mistborn attacks...

[+Doomstick he/him]

Just now, Experience said:

Well, is everyone just automatically a mistborn?  Cause then you could just eat your atium to survive mistborn attacks...

no, everyone can hire one per 3 pages

[Illwei]

3 minutes ago, Experience said:

Well, is everyone just automatically a mistborn?  Cause then you could just eat your atium to survive mistborn attacks...

Hmm actually

Tasty Tasty Atium: A house may choose to consume 32 of their Atium in exchange for being able to counter the attack of 1 (1) Mistborn. this can only be done twice in the Houses's entire life. You must state in thread that you are doing this.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Illwei
Clarification

[+Doomstick he/him]

Just now, Illwei said:

Tasty Tasty Atium: A house may choose to consume 32 of their Atium in exchange for being able to counter the attack of 1 (1) Mistborn. this can only be done twice in the Houses's entire life.

but mistborn already do that