Long Game 69: The Politics of the Passions

[Mint11 she/her]

13 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

The deception people have been pitching does NOT seem like the kind of thing Silber would do. I think it's highly unlikely for them to be an elim.

Semi-inactivity is pretty normal for Silber. And Elk's a big suspicion for me.

Actually, you know what? I just found this gem while looking through old posts. I know I'm going back and forth a bunch, but I still think Silber seems like an awful idea here. So Mist.

Your green text says "Mist" instead of "Mint."

I don't think we can rely much on the past playstyles of new players to clear them. If they've never been an elim, we don't know what they would do. If they have, then they're likely to evolve their deception tactics.

23 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

Actually, you know what? I just found this gem while looking through old posts. I know I'm going back and forth a bunch, but I still think Silber seems like an awful idea here. So Mist.

Actually, looking back it this post, I'm surprised that so many people suspect me. Why would I out the rest of my team? Vapor, you could argue, they were a top lynch candidate, but why Experience? Especially when no one else had an elim read. Even if you suppose there's a four person elim team, which I find unlikely, it doesn't make sense.

I can understand why people find me suspicious from D1, but I feel if there is any evidence after D1, it outweighs D1 evidence. D1 should mainly be used as primary evidence if there's nothing else since D1 is usually kind of a mess.

@Ashbringer Could you elaborate more on why you find me suspicious? I feel like you've pointed out a couple of things through out the game but you're also not responding to my replies to your reasonings.

 

If it comes down to it, I don't think I'll switch my vote for self preservation. I'm feeling that Ash and Kynedath are village right now, and I don't want to kill a villager and then drag on discussion of my lynch into the next cycle which would keep the spotlight off an elim.

[Elkanah he/him]

I lost a lot of material to my my internet cutting out for a minute, but reviewing my own previous reasons for trusting Mint and given the last few posts, my faith is renewed... and I'm back at a loss of who to vote for. If it can't be just Kynedath and it isn't Mint, I'm down to Silberfarben and Kynedath with an outside chance at it being Pyro. The thing is, elim!Pyro has nothing to gain from protecting Mint. Nothing at all. I don't believe they could be on an elim team together because this post about an hour ago is a complete 180. That being the case, I'd prefer to lynch Silberfarben than Ashbringer or Mint

Kynedath Lord Silberfarben

 

Edit: wow, I counted the votes and the totals didn't change except minus one on Kynedath. I guess it's up to the gods of luck and chance now.

Edited September 10, 2020 by Elkanah

[Ashbringer he/him]

For one thing, if the Elim team was Mint, Vapor, Experience, then Vapor had poke-voted on both other Elims on the first day, then got outed and killed. In that case suspicion (especially Matrim's) was already drifting towards Experience, and bussing him would be a good Elim play.

But that would be risky, especially if they went after you instead of Experience... then again, Experience seemed all too glad to take the fall.

I have been seeing your other defenses, but... it still seems odd to me. I don't know at this point. I'm not voting Silber again, and I agree not voting Pyro or Kynedath. Sart's a no-no, and I'm me.

 

That leaves Elkanah and Mint. If everyone wants to bandwagon to Elkanah, I'd be a bit wierded out but down with it. For now...

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

I mean, Silb isn't contributing much, but I feel fairly confident they're village.

For Ash, I'd like to look back on whether their suspects are consistent. One of the reasons I'm not pushing an El lynch is because, while their views change a lot, the read lists themselves have a clear progression through them. El's good enough to fake this, but it still makes me hesitate.

[Elkanah he/him]

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

For one thing, if the Elim team was Mint, Vapor, Experience, then Vapor had poke-voted on both other Elims on the first day, then got outed and killed. In that case suspicion (especially Matrim's) was already drifting towards Experience, and bussing him would be a good Elim play.

But that would be risky, especially if they went after you instead of Experience... then again, Experience seemed all too glad to take the fall.

I have been seeing your other defenses, but... it still seems odd to me. I don't know at this point. I'm not voting Silber again, and I agree not voting Pyro or Kynedath. Sart's a no-no, and I'm me.

 

That leaves Elkanah and Mint. If everyone wants to bandwagon to Elkanah, I'd be a bit wierded out but down with it. For now...

I see what you're saying, but I recommend not doing that.

1 minute ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

I mean, Silb isn't contributing much, but I feel fairly confident they're village.

For Ash, I'd like to look back on whether their suspects are consistent. One of the reasons I'm not pushing an El lynch is because, while their views change a lot, the read lists themselves have a clear progression through them. El's good enough to fake this, but it still makes me hesitate.

Thank you... I think.

[Zillah she/her]

The cycle is now closed.

[Zillah she/her]

Frozen Mint has been lynched, they were a member of the Loyal Campaign Staff.

Player List

Spoiler

1. Experience - Shard Undercover Emissary
2. Illwei
3. Matrims Dice - Phil Loyal Campaign Staff
4. Lotus - Sunwalker Loyal Campaign Staff
5. TJ Shade - Ylns Loyal Campaign Staff
6. Frozen Mint
7. Kynedath - Tktk
8. Vapor   Undercover Emissary 
9. Lord Silberfarben
10. Elkanah - Lknik (a possible addict)
11. The Young Pyromancer - Mancia Young
12. Ashbringer - Faleast
13. Mist - Tara Night Loyal Campaign Staff
14. Sart the Bard
15. Elandera Loyal Campaign Staff

 

Ashbringer (2): Lord Silberfarben, Kynedath

Lord Silberfarben (2): Frozen Mint, Elkanah

Frozen Mint (2):: Ashbringer, Illwei

 

Night Four has begun, and will end in approximately 24 hours, Friday September 11 at 0100 UTC

Edited September 10, 2020 by Zillah

[Illwei]

@Zillah Didn't pyro take his vote off of Mint?

Edited September 10, 2020 by Illwei

[Zillah she/her]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

Didn't pyro take his vote off of Mint?

Yes he did! Mint did die via RNG, I just forgot to cross Pyro off of my notes.

[Ashbringer he/him]

... shoot. Sorry Mint. I really need to learn when I'm tunneling on you.

[Coffeecat she/her]

I still don't understand how i was almost lynched

 

anyways sorry mint

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Right, protection.

I believe I should be protected, as Sart and I were the only ones that no one really expressed suspicion of, and Sart's inactive.

Any objections?

[Illwei]

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I'm not voting Silber again, and I agree not voting Pyro or Kynedath. Sart's a no-no, and I'm me. 
That leaves Elkanah and Mint

Uh, @Ashbringer, you kinda, uh, left me out. I mean, you even put yourself in, and you left me out... I am still alive, right?

1 hour ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

Any objections?

I mean I'm not one to ask for protection...
I'm going to take your post as that you find me at least slightly suspicious. I-yeah wait actually I think I remember you saying that you don't trust me and Elkanah I think. I don't remember anyone else explicitly saying that. lmk where I'm wrong. anyways-

I guess Sart and Silber are the only ones not to put out reads. I don't remember Kyne putting out reads...or Ash...
So the only people to put out reads are me, Elk and...has Pyro put out reads? yeah, no, yeah he did. 

Anyways it's taken me over an hour to try and write this because I keep getting sidetracked and I have definitely forgot what I originally meant to say- but yeah.

I still have a problem with Ash's  argument? I thought I understood but now I think I don't. they think Kyne is an Elim, but isn't an elim alone? I mean, I agree that there is more than 1 elim left. I don't see why you wouldn't consider Kyne. If you thought there was either a Kyne/? elim team, why not vote on the part you can see? why express interest in three different targets that aren't kyne? I just- ??

Edited September 10, 2020 by Illwei

[Ashbringer he/him]

I roleblocked Kynedath (successfully) on a night when a kill (I'm assuming the Elim kill) went through. Experience was alive at that point, but claimed to be using Survival and I think that's been confirmed. If not, Experience was the most suspected player anyway and would thus be unlikely to submit the kill.

If there are only three Elims including Elim!Kynedath, my roleblock would have counteracted the Elim kill. Obviously that didn't happen.

Therefore, the third and final Elim would be very unlikely to be Kynedath - either Experience would have had to submit the kill and risk a likely roleblock (I think someone did attempt to roleblock him), or I did roleblock the Elim kill and someone used a Violence Kill (on or redirected to a confirmed TJ) and kept silent. However, if there were four Elims to start it out including Elim!Kynedath, then the fourth Elim could have submitted the kill, which means Kynedath isn't clear of anything.

 

So it's not perfect, especially because it goes out the window if there's more than one Elim still alive. But for now, I'm set that Kynedath isn't the last Elim.

And... I did forget about you. I'm not really sure where I'd put you in my suspicions: probably below Pyro, but fairly high otherwise.

[Illwei]

Okay that...makes sense...

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4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

And... I did forget about you.

;-;

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

So I guess no one has anything else to say?

[Ashbringer he/him]

Apparently. There’s not much to talk about. Actions? Save for the day phase. Suspicions? Depends a lot on who dies this turn, and we mostly seem out of leads. RP? I really don’t have the time.

[Zillah she/her]

the cycle is now closed.

[Zillah she/her]

Sart the Bard was listening to the harpsichord play at the upper echelon restaurant in Thaylenah, the musician was playing - rather, butchering - a classical shin piece. The harpsichord wasn’t even the correct instrument! Nevertheless, it was music that he hadn’t heard in a long while. He waited for his crabcakes to arrive with his eyes closed and head tilted to one side to better hear the music in the background.

As it turns out, closing his eyes was the worst choice he could have made. He didn’t see who it was that approached him, nor did he see the small knife in their hand. He certainly felt it when they slit his throat. His eyes opened and his hands shot up. Sart panicked and tried to grab at the stranger, but they sprang away with the agility of a larkin.

Sarts hands tried to grasp at his throat and the pain was nearly overwhelming. He knew that there was a physician there who was trying to help him, stop the bleeding, sew him back up. He wished that they would go find whoever did this to him instead, he wanted justice!

In the end the physician had only delayed the inevitable. Sart was dead by morning, and even though the city was crawling with guards and personal policing forces, there was no trace of whoever had murdered Sart.

 

Sart Has been killed, they were a member of the Loyal Campaign Staff.

Day Five has begun, and will close in about 48 hours, on Sunday September 13, 0100 UTC

Player List

Spoiler

1. Experience - Shard Undercover Emissary
2. Illwei
3. Matrims Dice - Phil Loyal Campaign Staff
4. Lotus - Sunwalker Loyal Campaign Staff
5. TJ Shade - Ylns Loyal Campaign Staff
6. Frozen Mint Loyal Campaign Staff
7. Kynedath - Tktk
8. Vapor   Undercover Emissary 
9. Lord Silberfarben
10. Elkanah - Lknik (a possible addict)
11. The Young Pyromancer - Mancia Young
12. Ashbringer - Faleast
13. Mist - Tara Night Loyal Campaign Staff
14. Sart the Bard Loyal Campaign Staff
15. Elandera Loyal Campaign Staff

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Zillah

[Ashbringer he/him]

Of course.

So, I protected Pyro. No evidence of course, but I decided since Mint was gone and fate gave me the role she used so often I'd go where called.

However, I don't think I'll do so again. I don't like calling protection that much, as it creates a ton of IKYKs for the Elims and generally puts protectives in a bad spot. Especially if there's no particular role-based reason. (Which there might be, but who knows? Not me.) I'd rather try and judge who a target is on my own rather than give clues and ideas to the Elims.

So, action report. Anyone do anything interesting last night?

[Elkanah he/him]

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

Of course.

So, I protected Pyro. No evidence of course, but I decided since Mint was gone and fate gave me the role she used so often I'd go where called.

However, I don't think I'll do so again. I don't like calling protection that much, as it creates a ton of IKYKs for the Elims and generally puts protectives in a bad spot. Especially if there's no particular role-based reason. (Which there might be, but who knows? Not me.) I'd rather try and judge who a target is on my own rather than give clues and ideas to the Elims.

So, action report. Anyone do anything interesting last night?

I can confirm that Ashbringer targeted Pyro. I don't know what with, but it was certainly not a kill unless someone else wants to claim to have protected him?

You're pretty out of the dog house for me now, Ashbringer. So I'm back to Silberfarben, Kynedath and an outside chance at Pyro.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

I have some info, but I'll hold off on it for a moment, because I want to get some more actions back first. I did not take an action myself, as I was caught last time, and so didn't get an action.

So, action list:

@Illwei: ?

@Frozen Mint: ?

@Kynedath: ?

@Lord Silberfarben: (who it won't let me tag) ?

Elkanah: saw Ash target me.

Me: No action because was caught.

Ash: Protected me.

So, assuming that no one in the bottom three lied (which I am looking into, don't worry  ), we have the elim kill narrowed down to the top 4. Kynedath could (probably) only be an elim if there's more than one elim, so we can set them aside until we find the other one (still would really like your action tho)

[Illwei]

I got survival, redirected onto Kyne.

...isnt min't dead?

a. teamwork. that's new.

i just realized that ":P" doesn't look like a tongue sticking out, it looks like a derpy smiling guy looking left.

@Lord_Silberfarben 

Pyro there's an underscore you have to put in

ill be back in the morning when I'm awake

[Ashbringer he/him]

Also Pyro, we have no evidence that you were caught. Just your word. And you @'ed Frozen Mint who is dead (which is also an error in the OP, btw).

So Illwei, Silber, possibly Pyro, possibly Kynedath.

And...

1 hour ago, Elkanah said:

I can confirm that Ashbringer targeted Pyro. I don't know what with, but it was certainly not a kill unless someone else wants to claim to have protected him?

You're pretty out of the dog house for me now, Ashbringer. So I'm back to Silberfarben, Kynedath and an outside chance at Pyro.

... unfortunately this only works one way. If Elkanah was an Elim, he would know I'm not, and therefore no I have no real reason to lie. So claiming Teamwork to "verify" me would be fine.

Unless...

I predicted this exact situation and I actually protected - nope, I'm not that good at this.

So Elim kill is still likely amongst Illwei, Silber, and Kynedath*, but Pyro and Elkanah aren't entirely out unless they can give a bit more info than that. 

Elkanah, did anyone else target Pyro?

[Coffeecat she/her]

29 minutes ago, Illwei said:

i just realized that ":P" doesn't look like a tongue sticking out, it looks like a derpy smiling guy looking left.

@Lord_Silberfarben 

if it comes from me, take it as a tongue rolling out