Long Game 66: A Struggle for Power

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

1 minute ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

Hmm... are you saying that you are lynching me on the basis of my non-game related activity? There are multiple others who have posted only RP's as well, and more that are 100% inactive so far.

Game-related discussion, lets see, well it's hard for me to catch up on 20 pages of D1 when approximately 80% isn't really game related at all. I don't agree with the Coda lynch, deviating from a normal playstyle doesn't seem like the best basis for a lycn though I do get that it is C1 and there has to be a lynch to get info, and stuff like that.

In my opinion Araris has been the most suspicious to me, especially standing out in the first few pages of the thread, voting on Mist and saying it was not a poke vote later, but someone they actually wanted dead. That seems like a strange comment against someone with less than 5 posts in the games so far.

And the lynch on me? I don't see any reason for it except for as an invitation for me to participate. TGK has a vote on me because of an RNG, Drake for the participation reason, and Pyro, uh, I don't even know. So I think that using the D1 lynch on someone we actually find suspicious would be a good idea.

Yay, this is why prodding players who are already active to weigh in on the lynch discussion pays off. I no longer support lynching you, Matrim's_Dice.

I am very much willing to single out and vote for any of those other people you mention who are also not participating in the discussion. Especially since as of now you are participating quite admirably in the discussion, in my books. Would you care to name some of those others you had in mind when you wrote this?

[Ashbringer he/him]

I am very confused. First someone poke votes me (I assume? No suspicion given), then they take it away, then someone else votes me. 

I don’t think I can/should say much more on the Kandra role and my suspicions of it’s potential. If it’s something else, let me know. I would rather not get lynched C1 of my first game...

[Mat he/him]

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Yay, this is why prodding players who are already active to weigh in on the lynch discussion pays off. I no longer support lynching you, Matrim's_Dice.

I am very much willing to single out and vote for any of those other people you mention who are also not participating in the discussion. Especially since as of now you are participating quite admirably in the discussion, in my books. Would you care to name some of those others you had in mind when you wrote this?

Yes, that prod certainly did its job...  

Well, there are the inactives/>10 post people, such as Emi and ILuvHats. The RP person I was mostly thinking of was Ashbringer, though they might have put some game-related discussion in the first pages of the thread, I don't remember. Dang 20 page D1.

Poking someone inactive might not be as responsive as poking me was, as they are inactive and thus won't respond, but Ash does and has had votes on them w/out saying anything

Edit: Oh snap, there's Ashbringer. There goes that argument.... 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Matrim's_Dice

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Emi's been present in PMs, so they're around.

[Ashbringer he/him]

I was going to say...

 

I didn’t put anything on page 1 yes, but I did on page 2 and the last few pages of the signup/questionaire thread.

I was in a zoom meeting 3:00 to 4:30 so I couldn’t see what was going on. Also I was a little at a loss as to how to respond to a non-suspicious poke after several semi-suspicious poke.

Edit: PST, so last hour and a half.

Edited June 5, 2020 by Ashbringer
My alibi

[Elandera she/her]

6 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Also I was a little at a loss as to how to respond to a non-suspicious poke after several semi-suspicious poke.

It partly depends on the content of the poke vote. It's much easier when there's a question or some kind of prompt to do something. Especially on D1, but relevant for future posts, a single vote isn't much cause for concern. The best way to address a poke vote is to acknowledge its existence, then try to contribute something to the thread. If it was truly a poke vote, most will be removed after that. If it's someone like Araris, well, there's not much that can be done to get that vote removed. He's pretty serious about his stab votes.

Overall, my advice to all new players, whether village or elim, is to not get too worked up over one or two votes. If they're placed early in the cycle, there's plenty of time to contribute more and find other suspicions. Becoming overly defensive really early or not acknowledging the vote at all comes off as suspicious more often than not.

Speaking of votes, I should probably place one. I'm not overly suspicious of any of the leading candidates, and I definitely don't think we should lynch Coda or Ash. I am, however, willing to lynch Experience. I haven't seen a ton of game-related content from them (granted, I've barely been able to skim the beginning and end of this thread, considering it's length), but they seemed rather anxious to start once I stated elims would be content without game-related content.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Gotcha. The first 2 suspicious votes did ask me to do something, which I tried and evidently succeeded. Then Drake’s asked how I pled, and I didn’t want to just say “Not guilty” and then sign off for so long.

I think the middle is where most of the conversing devolved into trying to get the most posts for this round. So you’re not missing too much 

[Experience he/him]

6 minutes ago, Elandera said:

It partly depends on the content of the poke vote. It's much easier when there's a question or some kind of prompt to do something. Especially on D1, but relevant for future posts, a single vote isn't much cause for concern. The best way to address a poke vote is to acknowledge its existence, then try to contribute something to the thread. If it was truly a poke vote, most will be removed after that. If it's someone like Araris, well, there's not much that can be done to get that vote removed. He's pretty serious about his stab votes.

Overall, my advice to all new players, whether village or elim, is to not get too worked up over one or two votes. If they're placed early in the cycle, there's plenty of time to contribute more and find other suspicions. Becoming overly defensive really early or not acknowledging the vote at all comes off as suspicious more often than not.

Speaking of votes, I should probably place one. I'm not overly suspicious of any of the leading candidates, and I definitely don't think we should lynch Coda or Ash. I am, however, willing to lynch Experience. I haven't seen a ton of game-related content from them (granted, I've barely been able to skim the beginning and end of this thread, considering it's length), but they seemed rather anxious to start once I stated elims would be content without game-related content.

I had already had a conversation about game-realted content with pyro, so I've been trying to stick to that. 

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

Wow, Striker is probably very happy that my analysis sparked so much more game related discussion !

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

@Experience can you give us a post count again?

Also, Matrim, as my elim read on them was mostly insubstantial. I was largely trying to make Drake's poke more valid/support coda.

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

2 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Why would Coda not know the rules for Firesouls if they actually had that role or knew somebody who did, and seriously planned to kill people with it?

I don’t know if I’m misunderstanding this or not, but I’ll clarify anyway. 

What I mean is I don’t think Coda would have a reason for doing the calculations if he wasn’t a Firesoul. If he is elim, then why would he give Firesouls warnings about their abilities, wouldn’t it be better to let them possibly kill themselves? Though if he is a Firesoul, it’d be good to do the calculations for himself, and then he could post them to get some easy boxings and a NAI post out there. Also it would be very easy to start a lynch train on himself to get a bunch of people to vote on him, then if the suicide firebomb thing worked, it would trade one elim for who knows how many villagers.

Well while making this, I’ve been ninja’d

Edited June 6, 2020 by Ventyl

[Experience he/him]

Sorry everyone, I have to leave and do something IRL, so won't be able to talk for a while. I'll try to get on before rollover. 

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

Okay everybody, this should be an accurate vote count!

Coda (4): Experience, Magestar, Ventyl, Araris Valerian
Araris Valerian (1): Karnage, Matrim’s_Dice
Experience (1): Elandera
Matrim's_Dice (1): The_God_King
Mist (1): Shard of Reading
Ashbringer (1): Lahilt
Magestar (1): TJ Shade
The_God_King (1): Elkanah
A Joe in the Bush (1): Coda

Edited June 6, 2020 by Ventyl
Added Mats vote on Araris

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I believe I am currently voting on Coda. And unless they retracted, one or more people (besides Karnage) were voting on me.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Hah, XP's offline! Now's my chance!

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I believe I am currently voting on Coda. And unless they retracted, one or more people (besides Karnage) were voting on me.

Okay, I’ll fix your vote. Thanks.

EDIT:

You’re right @Araris Valerian, Mat has voted on you, I’ll add that now

Edited June 6, 2020 by Ventyl

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

34 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I am very confused. First someone poke votes me (I assume? No suspicion given), then they take it away, then someone else votes me. 

I don’t think I can/should say much more on the Kandra role and my suspicions of it’s potential. If it’s something else, let me know. I would rather not get lynched C1 of my first game...

Alright, I have you down as pleading "very confused" 

Your case has been deferred as well. Confusion is an acceptable response to my vote 

Although I will note that it is uncommon for people to feel a need to defend themselves against having a single vote on them during the first day, I won't pursue that any further for the time being.

34 minutes ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

Yes, that prod certainly did its job...  

Well, there are the inactives/>10 post people, such as Emi and ILuvHats. The RP person I was mostly thinking of was Ashbringer, though they might have put some game-related discussion in the first pages of the thread, I don't remember. Dang 20 page D1.

Poking someone inactive might not be as responsive as poking me was, as they are inactive and thus won't respond, but Ash does and has had votes on them w/out saying anything

Edit: Oh snap, there's Ashbringer. There goes that argument.... 

Interesting, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am tentatively reading you as village at this point.

Since I already voted for Ashbringer I'll try to single out somebody else this time, but that is a fair explanation.

19 minutes ago, Elandera said:

It partly depends on the content of the poke vote. It's much easier when there's a question or some kind of prompt to do something. Especially on D1, but relevant for future posts, a single vote isn't much cause for concern. The best way to address a poke vote is to acknowledge its existence, then try to contribute something to the thread. If it was truly a poke vote, most will be removed after that. If it's someone like Araris, well, there's not much that can be done to get that vote removed. He's pretty serious about his stab votes.

Overall, my advice to all new players, whether village or elim, is to not get too worked up over one or two votes. If they're placed early in the cycle, there's plenty of time to contribute more and find other suspicions. Becoming overly defensive really early or not acknowledging the vote at all comes off as suspicious more often than not.

Speaking of votes, I should probably place one. I'm not overly suspicious of any of the leading candidates, and I definitely don't think we should lynch Coda or Ash. I am, however, willing to lynch Experience. I haven't seen a ton of game-related content from them (granted, I've barely been able to skim the beginning and end of this thread, considering it's length), but they seemed rather anxious to start once I stated elims would be content without game-related content.

This. I like this post.

Don't take D1 voting too seriously.

At the same time, cast your votes with the intention of choosing who dies.

I don't have feelings any particular way about lynching Experience. I considered it, but the way they held their ground with voting for Coda didn't seem unusually suspicious to me, as much as I don't actually agree with lynching Coda.

1 minute ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

@Experience can you give us a post count again?

Also, Matrim, as my elim read on them was mostly insubstantial. I was largely trying to make Drake's poke more valid/support coda.

Appreciated!

I am still gunning for a contested vote this cycle, and we don't really have that right now. As part of the outspoken "save Coda" initiative, would you care to pick the next target?

[Ashbringer he/him]

19 minutes ago, Ventyl said:

I don’t know if I’m misunderstanding this or not, but I’ll clarify anyway. 

What I mean is I don’t think Coda would have a reason for doing the calculations if he wasn’t a Firesoul. If he is elim, then why would he give Firesouls warnings about their abilities, wouldn’t it be better to let them possibly kill themselves? Though if he is a Firesoul, it’d be good to do the calculations for himself, and then he could post them to get some easy boxings and a NAI post out there. Also it would be very easy to start a lynch train on himself to get a bunch of people to vote on him, then if the suicide firebomb thing worked, it would trade one elim for who knows how many villagers.

Well while making this, I’ve been ninja’d

Another thing is, if he actually was planning on doing this, he could have just asked Striker to clarify the role in his PM. I doubt that he would PAFO it when that may just encourage Coda into trying to lynch himself to find out.

Also, I don’t think the PM with your role covers every case, or even varies from the role lists much.

... unless we’re not supposed to ask clarification questions in the GM PM, in which case I goofed up.

[Guest Coda]

29 minutes ago, Ventyl said:

I don’t know if I’m misunderstanding this or not, but I’ll clarify anyway. 

What I mean is I don’t think Coda would have a reason for doing the calculations if he wasn’t a Firesoul. If he is elim, then why would he give Firesouls warnings about their abilities, wouldn’t it be better to let them possibly kill themselves? Though if he is a Firesoul, it’d be good to do the calculations for himself, and then he could post them to get some easy boxings and a NAI post out there. Also it would be very easy to start a lynch train on himself to get a bunch of people to vote on him, then if the suicide firebomb thing worked, it would trade one elim for who knows how many villagers.

Well while making this, I’ve been ninja’d

I had my calculator on hand and wanted to contribute in a meaningful way. Also, the suicide firebomb has been vetoed by the great and mighty Game Masters as tapping brass is a night action. If it hadn't been vetoed and I was an elim Firesoul, that would have been a great play. Sadly, that play is now impossible.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Coda

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

5 minutes ago, Coda said:

I had my calculator on hand and wanted to contribute in a meaningful way. Also, the suicide firebomb has been vetoed by the great and mighty Game Masters as tapping brass is a night action. If it hadn't been vetoed and I was an elim Firesoul, that would have been a great play. Sadly, that play is now impossible.

For now I’m sticking with my elim and Firesoul read of you. I think having a possible Firesoul on the elim team would be very dangerous for the village. Considering that four charges down the road, or 6 if its that far in, could easily remove the villages Coinshot from the game, or any other  role for that matter.

[Elkanah he/him]

I'm back. I'm here. I didn't mean to stab The God King, but he won't get lynched here anyway. I'm'a go back and read all of this. I stopped on page four or five. I'll see you all next turn.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Being a firesoul on either team is useful in proportion to the amount that you don't let on that you are a firesoul, though...

Anyway if I could bait people into lynching me and kill everyone, I would do it too. I would probably make it my personal goal to engineer a situation in which I can kill literally everyone else and secure a smashing victory for my faction in a roundabout way, probably by framing myself as the kandra. That sounds like great fun  (also prohibitively difficult but some players managed something really similar in a QF a little while back with an amped up Jester mechanic)

Edited June 6, 2020 by DrakeMarshall

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

31 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I am still gunning for a contested vote this cycle, and we don't really have that right now. As part of the outspoken "save Coda" initiative, would you care to pick the next target?

Sure. 

Karnage. Be active or DIE!

@Karnage

[xinoehp512 he/him]

I've reread Coda's posts, and am feeling more inclined to believe them about a change in playstyle. 

On 6/4/2020 at 0:55 PM, Ashbringer said:

And to be honest, I am trying to blend in, a bit. I don’t know what keys people off that a person is either Village or Elim, so I’m just trying to act neutral and natural.

I found this in Ashbringer's posts when I was looking through them and thought it kind of odd, but I think it's probably their inexperience.

2 hours ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

Hmm... are you saying that you are lynching me on the basis of my non-game related activity? There are multiple others who have posted only RP's as well, and more that are 100% inactive so far.

Game-related discussion, lets see, well it's hard for me to catch up on 20 pages of D1 when approximately 80% isn't really game related at all. I don't agree with the Coda lynch, deviating from a normal playstyle doesn't seem like the best basis for a lynch though I do get that it is C1 and there has to be a lynch to get info, and stuff like that.

In my opinion Araris has been the most suspicious to me, especially standing out in the first few pages of the thread, voting on Mist and saying it was not a poke vote later, but someone they actually wanted dead. That seems like a strange comment against someone with less than 5 posts in the games so far.

And the lynch on me? I don't see any reason for it except for as an invitation for me to participate. TGK has a vote on me because of a RNG, Drake for the participation reason, and Pyro, uh, I don't even know. So I think that using the D1 lynch on someone we actually find suspicious would be a good idea.

I don't read Mat as elim particularly, either.

Well, I'm not feeling particularly evil inclined towards anyone... however, I'm also beginning to realize that that's alright, and actually pretty normal. I still need to vote, however...

Rollover is pretty soon, and I probably won't be able to get back before it happens. So, Karnage. They're my strongest suspicion so far. @Karnage

Edited June 6, 2020 by xinoehp512

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

1 minute ago, xinoehp512 said:

So, Karnage. They're my strongest suspicion so far.

Um, why?