Long Game 66: A Struggle for Power

[Mat he/him]

12 minutes ago, Ventyl said:

(We are siblings if anyone didn’t know).

[|TJ| he/him]

Biggest reveal of the game  (And that's including finding out Araris was kandra xD)

[Ashbringer he/him]

Well, hmm. I'm still suspicious of Karnage, but I'm also a little suspicious of @Ventyl. He roleclaimed to me really early in the game, which seems very odd. I'm still hopeful we can work together, but... I don't know.

What happened was: Ventyl was suspicious of me for talking about the Kandra so much but then not wanting to go hunting for it, at Thursday at 11:18 AM. He then PM'd me less than 15 minutes later saying he read me as village and was willing to Roleclaim to me. I replied saying that I didn't think that role claiming C1 was a good idea, but that a mutual roleclaim could be a good idea. He later replied, otherwise unprompted, with his claimed role, and I responded with mine.

He's also still suspicious of XP, which is a bit interesting. I still think XP is Village unless there were a lot more subtle manipulations C2 than C1, and it seems like XP and Ventyl are mutually suspicious of each other, even though Ventyl moved his vote and swung the lynch to Drake in the very last minute (last 3 minutes).

Not posting a vote yet, but... I'm curious to see what you all think. 

Interesting tidbit: Xino never Rioted anyone, because he always had a vote. Which means that the Elims felt confident enough in their lynch to only manipulate using their possible Soother and their own votes.

Edit: FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! WHY IS EVERYTHING ON FIRE! FIR- oh wait, it's just a new page.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Ashbringer

[|TJ| he/him]

27 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

What happened was: Ventyl was suspicious of me for talking about the Kandra so much but then not wanting to go hunting for it, at Thursday at 11:18 AM. He then PM'd me less than 15 minutes later saying he read me as village and was willing to Roleclaim to me. I replied saying that I didn't think that role claiming C1 was a good idea, but that a mutual roleclaim could be a good idea. He later replied, otherwise unprompted, with his claimed role, and I responded with mine.

How confident are you that he did not fake-claim to you? Have you seen evidence or some sort of proof of his actions in use to verify his claim?

27 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

He's also still suspicious of XP, which is a bit interesting. I still think XP is Village unless there were a lot more subtle manipulations C2 than C1, and it seems like XP and Ventyl are mutually suspicious of each other, even though Ventyl moved his vote and swung the lynch to Drake in the very last minute (last 3 minutes).

Huh, last 3 minutes? I would like to note that he changed his vote only after Pyro changed it to Experience in an attempt to save Drake. I'd be down to lynch either Lahilt or Ventyl this cycle, It doesn't matter now since you people seem happy troubling Striker in the last 30 mins of the cycle xD

Edited June 10, 2020 by TJ Shade

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Just now, TJ Shade said:

How confident are you that he did not fake-claim to you? Have you seen evidence or some sort of proof of his actions in use to verify his claim?

Actually, Ash enlisted my help, and holds evidence that Ventyl actually LIED. However, that evidence is not 100%, and there's a decent chance that something weird was going on. Also, Ventyl lying is not necessarily AI.

And if the Kandra could be a random player, that makes this all harder.

Gonna go with Karnage for now, as Elandera is someone I'm hoping to get better reads on/contact with, and if Karnage flips village, that clears me to them, where if he doesn't, that makes her more likely to be an elim!Kandra, or just a Kandra in general trying to balance the game.

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

21 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

Actually, Ash enlisted my help, and holds evidence that Ventyl actually LIED. However, that evidence is not 100%, and there's a decent chance that something weird was going on. Also, Ventyl lying is not necessarily AI.

And if the Kandra could be a random player, that makes this all harder.

Gonna go with Karnage for now, as Elandera is someone I'm hoping to get better reads on/contact with, and if Karnage flips village, that clears me to them, where if he doesn't, that makes her more likely to be an elim!Kandra, or just a Kandra in general trying to balance the game.

@Ashbringer when have I lied about my role? I’m willing to roleclaim in thread if that’s what you what.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Pyro, didn't I tell you NOT to say anything yet? 

I'm still trying to make sure I'm right. But I think I am right in this one.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

9 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Pyro, didn't I tell you NOT to say anything yet? 

Actually, you didn't.

Ventyl says they 'swear on their life' they were telling the truth. Well, I'll hold you to that. If you had admitted a lie and explained your reason for lying, I would have probably supported you on principle, but if you're sticking to the claim, my vote's on you if you've lied.

[Magestar he/him]

9 hours ago, TJ Shade said:

In Cycle 2 I really didn't understand their lynching. But after the lynch, seeing as how votes were swung off or 'retracted', I'd not be opposed to info-lynching them. Depending on the way they flip, we can possibly we get info on Lahilt, Ventyl, and possibly Elandera. I got a very weird bussing vibe from the lynch. 

What I was trying to say is that I didn't understand where your suspicion of Lahilt was coming from unless you were also suspicious of Experience.  I personally am not terribly suspicious of them, but I'm also not suspicious of Lahilt.  I don't see it.

6 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

If Araris chose a successor, that player would be the new Kandra. If Araris did not choose one, then a random player out of all the living players would be the new Kandra. I can’t say which one happened.

...so it's possible that Araris was killed randomly and that someone random is now the successor.

Well, that's good to know.  Do we know for sure how Araris died?  Or why?  I'm a little confused.

3 hours ago, Experience said:

I think that I'm going to take my vote off of Karnage, and put it onto Ventyl. I'm feeling elim lean for them, partly because they moved their lynch vote off of me. At the time they had placed it on me, they weren't one of the first (though they did do the huge analysis of my posts) to place one on me. Then when people started to move their votes off of me, they did so as well, claiming that they were more suspcious of drake then me anyway which they hadn't even expressed before. It just really seems like an elim trying to blend into the crowd of moving lynches. 

I don't quite get this.  If Ventyl were an Elim, wouldn't it just make more sense for them not to touch anything?  It wouldn't really matter which villager died.

1 hour ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

Gonna go with Karnage for now, as Elandera is someone I'm hoping to get better reads on/contact with, and if Karnage flips village, that clears me to them, where if he doesn't, that makes her more likely to be an elim!Kandra, or just a Kandra in general trying to balance the game.

So... your vote on Karnage is mostly to clear yourself and get a better read on Elandera?  Ok.

This whole Ventyl thing confuses me.  Lying about your role is super NAI.  The only reason I choose not to is because it's more entertaining for me to try to trick people without lying to them.  Not every villager wants their role getting out, and for good reason.  You can't know for sure whether or not you're talking to an Elim.  Schrodingers Elim.    But lying about your role doesn't necessarily say anything about you.  Even if you stick to your guns about the lie.

I don't really feel like there's a whole lot else to comment on so far.  Plus I've already made my vote, and no one has really contested it or said anything much about it, except for TJ, who basically said they sort of agree with me.  I'm gonna head out for another couple of hours, and I guess I'll see where things are then.  

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

4 minutes ago, Magestar said:

Even if you stick to your guns about the lie

I mean, if someone says they 'swear on their life' that's kind of an invitation to lynch them if they lie

[StrikerEZ he/him]

1 hour ago, TJ Shade said:

It doesn't matter now since you people seem happy troubling Striker in the last 30 mins of the cycle xD

*grumble grumble*

4 minutes ago, Magestar said:

Do we know for sure how Araris died?  Or why?  I'm a little confused.

You do not know for sure how or why Araris died, and I will not be confirming anything surrounding the circumstances of his death.

[Lahilt he/him]

Araris could have been targeted by an elim hit while Reading by a village coinshot. 

 

[Ashbringer he/him]

Fair enough Pyro. I thought I said to wait and see other suspicions, but it was kinda buried in a lot of PM’ing.

Well, time to spill the plan. I was going to wait a bit to see how suspicions settled, but since A) It’s fairly obvious I have a plan and B.) You were willing to say you never lied and that you’d roleclaim if asked, here it all is.

@Ventyl PM’d me to say that he was a Leecher with no other Feruchemical role, again without much prompting on my part. Since I was in a similar position as a Misting, I thought it would be a good idea to work together and try and create disruptions. (I don’t want to out my role, but a Misting that goes well with a Leecher should allow you guys to guess at it.)

However, due to more suspicion in-thread and me realizing how unusual a sudden, unrequested C1 roleclaim was, I began to suspect Ventyl and so enacted my plan. We swapped targets last night, and Ventyl said he would Roleblock @Emi last night. After reset, I PM’d Emi to ask if she got Roleblocked, and she said that she wasn’t Roleblocked last night. Pyro was my backup in case I ended up dead last night. He should be able to confirm that I did this plan, and Emi should be able to confirm she wasn’t Roleblocked.

I suppose we could have mutually misunderstood that Emi hadn’t done an action, and therefore would recieve no indication that she was Roleblocked, but she didn’t say anything beyond a “nope, he didn’t”. Ventyl highlighted this after the plan became evident. Emi, if you could clarify this, that would be greatly appreciated. (I’m also not sure where the “he” came from, but I doubt that is very significant.)

Other suspicions include the ones I’ve listed previously, and the fact that in PM Ventyl seemed to be asking a lot of questions as to who he should roleblock and who I was acting against. I recommended someone who wasn’t incredibly active in thread but active enough to be submitting actions (to be precise Emi, Lahilt, and Xino).

He also claimed that Araris PM’d him that he (Araris) wasn’t going to submit an action after I said I was going to disrupt Araris last night, and convinced me to change my target. Since Araris was the Kandra, this isn’t as incriminating as if he’d flipped Elim, but it’s still... very odd.

So there you all have it.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Ashbringer
Clarification

[Mat he/him]

Spoiler

55 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Fair enough Pyro. I thought I said to wait and see other suspicions, but it was kinda buried in a lot of PM’ing.

Well, time to spill the plan. I was going to wait a bit to see how suspicions settled, but since A) It’s fairly obvious I have a plan and B.) You were willing to say you never lied and that you’d roleclaim if asked, here it all is.

@Ventyl PM’d me to say that he was a Leecher with no other Feruchemical role, again without much prompting on my part. Since I was in a similar position as a Misting, I thought it would be a good idea to work together and try and create disruptions. (I don’t want to out my role, but a Misting that goes well with a Leecher should allow you guys to guess at it.)

However, due to more suspicion in-thread and me realizing how unusual a sudden, unrequested C1 roleclaim was, I began to suspect Ventyl and so enacted my plan. We swapped targets last night, and Ventyl said he would Roleblock @Emi last night. After reset, I PM’d Emi to ask if she got Roleblocked, and she said that she wasn’t Roleblocked last night. Pyro was my backup in case I ended up dead last night. He should be able to confirm that I did this plan, and Emi should be able to confirm she wasn’t Roleblocked.

I suppose we could have mutually misunderstood that Emi hadn’t done an action, and therefore would recieve no indication that she was Roleblocked, but she didn’t say anything beyond a “nope, he didn’t”. Ventyl highlighted this after the plan became evident. Emi, if you could clarify this, that would be greatly appreciated. (I’m also not sure where the “he” came from, but I doubt that is very significant.)

Other suspicions include the ones I’ve listed previously, and the fact that in PM Ventyl seemed to be asking a lot of questions as to who he should roleblock and who I was acting against. I recommended someone who wasn’t incredibly active in thread but active enough to be submitting actions (to be precise Emi, Lahilt, and Xino).

He also claimed that Araris PM’d him that he (Araris) wasn’t going to submit an action after I said I was going to disrupt Araris last night, and convinced me to change my target. Since Araris was the Kandra, this isn’t as incriminating as if he’d flipped Elim, but it’s still... very odd.

So there you all have it.

 

So I feel like I can say this now that we're all spilling Ventyl's secrets.

Ventyl has the whispery whisper inc. or whatever, and basically it's focus is to... out Ash as an elim. I honestly don't see it and it mostly made me more suspicious of Ventyl. This increases that in that the whole thing is just really weird. 

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

Fair enough Pyro. I thought I said to wait and see other suspicions, but it was kinda buried in a lot of PM’ing.

Well, time to spill the plan. I was going to wait a bit to see how suspicions settled, but since A) It’s fairly obvious I have a plan and B.) You were willing to say you never lied and that you’d roleclaim if asked, here it all is.

@Ventyl PM’d me to say that he was a Leecher with no other Feruchemical role, again without much prompting on my part. Since I was in a similar position as a Misting, I thought it would be a good idea to work together and try and create disruptions. (I don’t want to out my role, but a Misting that goes well with a Leecher should allow you guys to guess at it.)

However, due to more suspicion in-thread and me realizing how unusual a sudden, unrequested C1 roleclaim was, I began to suspect Ventyl and so enacted my plan. We swapped targets last night, and Ventyl said he would Roleblock @Emi last night. After reset, I PM’d Emi to ask if she got Roleblocked, and she said that she wasn’t Roleblocked last night. Pyro was my backup in case I ended up dead last night. He should be able to confirm that I did this plan, and Emi should be able to confirm she wasn’t Roleblocked.

I suppose we could have mutually misunderstood that Emi hadn’t done an action, and therefore would recieve no indication that she was Roleblocked, but she didn’t say anything beyond a “nope, he didn’t”. Ventyl highlighted this after the plan became evident. Emi, if you could clarify this, that would be greatly appreciated. (I’m also not sure where the “he” came from, but I doubt that is very significant.)

Other suspicions include the ones I’ve listed previously, and the fact that in PM Ventyl seemed to be asking a lot of questions as to who he should roleblock and who I was acting against. I recommended someone who wasn’t incredibly active in thread but active enough to be submitting actions (to be precise Emi, Lahilt, and Xino).

He also claimed that Araris PM’d him that he (Araris) wasn’t going to submit an action after I said I was going to disrupt Araris last night, and convinced me to change my target. Since Araris was the Kandra, this isn’t as incriminating as if he’d flipped Elim, but it’s still... very odd.

So there you all have it.

I have claimed Leecher to everyone I’ve PMed. I don’t know if this is reassuring, but I have been telling the truth and if the village comes to a consensus on who I can roleblock today to prove that I’m a Leecher, I gladly will roleblock them.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Wait, what?

First whisper whisper is trying to ally with the SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY, and now they want to frame one of its members?

This is why I start so many conspiracy theories...

Well, you asked for my advice on who to roleblock yesterday and soundly ignored it while lying to me, so it seems.

[Mat he/him]

Just now, Ashbringer said:

Wait, what?

First whisper whisper is trying to ally with the SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY, and now they want to frame one of its members?

This is why I start so many conspiracy theories...

Well, you asked for my advice on who to roleblock yesterday and soundly ignored it while lying to me, so it seems.

Well I'm not framing anybody but I'm pointing out some information that seemed useful. whispery whisper was never my idea to begin with, so I honestly don't care about it as much as I do of finding elims.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Who's a member of which agency now?

Pretty sure the SHOUTY SHOUT AGENCY!!! isn't involved in this at all, and to be honest, with two of the biggest contributors down, it's unlikely to recover.

[Mat he/him]

Just now, The Young Pyromancer said:

Who's a member of which agency now?

Pretty sure the SHOUTY SHOUT AGENCY!!! isn't involved in this at all, and to be honest, with two of the biggest contributors down, it's unlikely to recover.

Yeah, Ash is just referring to Ventyl offering an alliance between the groups and then now I put out some potentially outing info on Ventyl. 

[Ashbringer he/him]

Fair enough Matrim, but I still think it’s enough for Ventyl to need a long explanation. @Ventyl

And @Emi, some in-thread verification would be much appreciated.

Edit: Pyro, what Matrim said.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Ashbringer

[Lahilt he/him]

(Part twenty-eight wherein the SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY!!! nearly goes up in flames and the coffee comes in many flavors)

THE INSANITATION OFFICER: THE INSANITATION OFFICER REGRETS TO INFORM THE SHOUTY SHOUTERS!!! THAT HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SHOUT FOR A PEACE OF TIME

Doctor Google: "Are you okay now, good sir?" Doc Google queried the now doused Confident Indecision Maker!
EDIT: And then the doctor caught on fire as well!
Also @THE COFFEE MACHINE your turn for part 9

THE COFFEE MACHINE: Can CIM add something about the group combusting and non-combusting for the new page? That would be COOL!
Edit: Part 9 done

Confident Indecision Maker: PHEW THANKS DOC GOOGLE!!!
SPONTANEOUS HUMAN COMBUSTION IS A REAL PROBLEM YOU KNOW!!!
(klaxons in the distance have morphed into fire alarms)

The Great and Mighty Game Master: Guys what the heck is even going on anymore?

Doctor Google: "Ah, tis a bystander!" Doctor Google proclaimed, not recognizing the Great and Mighty Game Master as the flames were interfering with his vision. "Can you grab some flame-retardant coffee for me?"

Doctor Google: "And while you're at it, please remind @THE INSANITATION OFFICER that it's his turn!"

(The remainder of the paper is covered in some sort of foam that smells vaguely of caffeine.)
 

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

10 minutes ago, Matrim's_Dice said:

Yeah, Ash is just referring to Ventyl offering an alliance between the groups and then now I put out some potentially outing info on Ventyl. 

And yet neither you nor Ventyl is in the SHOUTY SHOUT AGENCY!!!

And like I said, shout's pretty dead rn anyways.

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

And yet neither you nor Ventyl is in the SHOUTY SHOUT AGENCY!!!

And like I said, shout's pretty dead rn anyways.

That's what I mean. Me and Ventyl are in whisper. Ventyl offered alliance to SHOUTY-SHOUT. Now I am siding with Ash over Ventyl, and Ash is in SOUTY-SHOUT

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Ah KK.

 

(Part the twenty-ninth, where a ‘the’ is added to the part name to make it sound more official)

 

The Intern: The Intern rushes to the break room! The Intern grabs the two large pots of FLAME-RETARDANT COFFEE, dumping one on the Stick and handing the other to the Stick!!!

 

Stick: The Stick paused. It was thankful for the flame-retardant coffee, but Doctor Google was the one on fire, not it!

 

The Intern: The Intern paused, embarrassed! They took the coffee from Stick and dumped it onto Doctor Google! Then, they rushed to make more FLAME-RETARDANT COFFEE in case of EMERGENCIES!!! The SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY!!! is ALWAYS PREPARED! 

 

Doctor Google: Google, the doctor, now covered in flame-retardant coffee, began rubbing his temples. "Where were we again? I think I forgot!" exclaimed the good doctor. Said doctor then turned to their secretary. "Can you remind us?"

 

The Intern: We were implementing the. ROTATING BUDGET PROPOSAL! 

 

THE COFFEE MACHINE: The COFFEE MACHINE was angered that it was not told of this new FLAME-RETARDANT COFFEE directive, but it certainly boosted sales.

 

Stick: The stick tisked disapprovingly, or it would have if it had a mouth. Strike 1, THE COFFEE MACHINE!

 

(The rest of the page is taken up by a series of complex chemical formulas dealing with temperature and coffee beans)

[Kidpen he/him]

Soooo here's the deal. This game seems to unfortunately have been turned into a mess of excessively complicated plots, plans, and conspiracies. So I'm just gonna ignore it and vote on whoever has the worst vibes.

I'm not entirely sure at the moment who that is, but Karnage doesn't have the best vibes, certainly.