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anyone have any good ways of explaining seminary to someone who isn't a member?

someone asked me about it earlier today and they thought i was training to be a priest-

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

church class. 

[Edema Rue she/her]

46 minutes ago, shortcake said:

anyone have any good ways of explaining seminary to someone who isn't a member?

someone asked me about it earlier today and they thought i was training to be a priest-

My seminary teacher calls it Jesus class if that helps.

[Immortal Platypus]

that's about right. its a class about jesus and it is fun. It's probably less fun outside of Utah where you have to get  up early though...

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

AZ WHEEEEEEE

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

1 hour ago, shortcake said:

anyone have any good ways of explaining seminary to someone who isn't a member?

someone asked me about it earlier today and they thought i was training to be a priest-

It’s bible study

[shortcake thr/eat ka/boom]

2 hours ago, TheRavenHasLanded said:

church class. 

 

1 hour ago, Edema Ruh said:

My seminary teacher calls it Jesus class if that helps.

 

1 hour ago, Being of Cacophony said:

that's about right. its a class about jesus and it is fun. It's probably less fun outside of Utah where you have to get  up early though...

 

39 minutes ago, Labyrinth said:

It’s bible study

thanks, guys! this helps me out a bunch!

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

no problem!

[Immortal Platypus]

26 minutes ago, shortcake said:

 

 

 

thanks, guys! this helps me out a bunch!

you're welcome!

[Experience he/him]

Everyday-not-just-sunday school?

[Lego Mistborn he/him]

On 8/23/2023 at 5:08 PM, Experience said:

Everyday-not-just-sunday school?

Exactly. Sunday school during the week.

[Through the Living Elan He/Him]

Guys, I have a question. 

I really like science and things like that, and I am also of course a member of the church. 

I'm just having trouble, I feel like so many things make no sense. I don't understand how any of the things we believe can be true, there is so much that just doesn't follow the laws of the universe. I don't understand. How can the church be true, and still follow science?

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

well, think of it like two circles: there is some overlap, but in any case, you still dont know everything and how it lines up. 

[Experience he/him]

2 minutes ago, Ancient Elantrian said:

Guys, I have a question. 

I really like science and things like that, and I am also of course a member of the church. 

I'm just having trouble, I feel like so many things make no sense. I don't understand how any of the things we believe can be true, there is so much that just doesn't follow the laws of the universe. I don't understand. How can the church be true, and still follow science?

Like what?

I personally believe that everything in science and the universe does indeed follow some higher universal law, some of which we obviously just don't know of just yet.

[Ookla de los Cuervos he/him]

im trying to remember where i heard that. it isnt a perfect quote, but its something

[Mason Wheeler]

13 minutes ago, Ancient Elantrian said:

Guys, I have a question. 

I really like science and things like that, and I am also of course a member of the church. 

I'm just having trouble, I feel like so many things make no sense.

Remember, everything makes no sense until you understand it.  If there are things you don't understand yet, all that means is that you still have new stuff to learn.

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I don't understand how any of the things we believe can be true, there is so much that just doesn't follow the laws of the universe. I don't understand.

Are you sure you understand "the laws of the universe"?  A lot of people who make claims about science, and the physical laws underpinning it, do so with far more confidence than the experimental evidence can actually justify.  Keep learning more, by study and also by faith, and you'll see the discrepancies gradually melt away as your understanding deepens.

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How can the church be true, and still follow science?

The church doesn't "follow science."  That's certainly not the way the pioneers of science saw it!  The prevailing attitude, as late as Newton, was summed up quite effectively by Kepler's declaration that "science is the process of thinking God's thoughts after Him," that God had created the world around us to run after defined rules, and science was about figuring out how he had arranged things.  Far from God and His church following science, science was explicitly designed to follow after God!  It's only fairly recently that some later scientists lost sight of that.

[Through the Living Elan He/Him]

38 minutes ago, Mason Wheeler said:

Remember, everything makes no sense until you understand it.  If there are things you don't understand yet, all that means is that you still have new stuff to learn.

Are you sure you understand "the laws of the universe"?  A lot of people who make claims about science, and the physical laws underpinning it, do so with far more confidence than the experimental evidence can actually justify.  Keep learning more, by study and also by faith, and you'll see the discrepancies gradually melt away as your understanding deepens.

The church doesn't "follow science."  That's certainly not the way the pioneers of science saw it!  The prevailing attitude, as late as Newton, was summed up quite effectively by Kepler's declaration that "science is the process of thinking God's thoughts after Him," that God had created the world around us to run after defined rules, and science was about figuring out how he had arranged things.  Far from God and His church following science, science was explicitly designed to follow after God!  It's only fairly recently that some later scientists lost sight of that.

Huh. I guess it does make sense that there are things god knows that I don’t understand. I’m going to have a lot to study.

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

1 hour ago, Ancient Elantrian said:

Guys, I have a question. 

I really like science and things like that, and I am also of course a member of the church. 

I'm just having trouble, I feel like so many things make no sense. I don't understand how any of the things we believe can be true, there is so much that just doesn't follow the laws of the universe. I don't understand. How can the church be true, and still follow science?

You have come to the right person.

I have found a very nice balance between science and religion.

Do you think you could give me some specifics? You could send me a PM if you aren't comfortable with sharing. 

I'll warn you, it will be a long rant on my end, and I don't have time for it right now. But please let me know what your problems are, and I'll tell you the conclusions I've come to.

[Wittles he/him]

Yeah, I have also found a good balance between the two. They just fit together really well

[Mason Wheeler]

30 minutes ago, Ancient Elantrian said:

Huh. I guess it does make sense that there are things god knows that I don’t understand. I’m going to have a lot to study.

We all do.  Just keep 2 Nephi 9: 28-29 in mind.  This was written for our day!

[Morningtide she/her]

Both of my parents have doctorates in science fields, and I think that their understanding of science has been incredibly impactful to mine. I've found a very good balance between science and religion, partially because I believe that our current understanding of science and the universe is very limited. 

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

3 hours ago, Ancient Elantrian said:

Guys, I have a question. 

I really like science and things like that, and I am also of course a member of the church. 

I'm just having trouble, I feel like so many things make no sense. I don't understand how any of the things we believe can be true, there is so much that just doesn't follow the laws of the universe. I don't understand. How can the church be true, and still follow science?

Here's how I look at it. The Lord uses higher levels of science than what we know to use the universe. Similar to how it isn't evolution vs God, God used evolution to create mankind. God knows more about science than any human will ever know until either Zion, the Celestial Kingdom or someday in the eternities beyond it. If you brought modern science to the esteemed scientists from thousands of years ago, they would say that it's magic and that it disobeys the laws of science completely until you reveal how it works in detail. 

[Guest Ψιτιsτηε Βεsτ]

Yes there is a quote by an apostle about this.

[Lego Mistborn he/him]

6 hours ago, Mason Wheeler said:

We all do.  Just keep 2 Nephi 9: 28-29 in mind.  This was written for our day!

All things denote there is a God? I get the feeling this is doctrinal mastery and I feel dumb if I don't remember. I hope this is it.

4 hours ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

Here's how I look at it. The Lord uses higher levels of science than what we know to use the universe. Similar to how it isn't evolution vs God, God used evolution to create mankind. God knows more about science than any human will ever know until either Zion, the Celestial Kingdom or someday in the eternities beyond it. If you brought modern science to the esteemed scientists from thousands of years ago, they would say that it's magic and that it disobeys the laws of science completely until you reveal how it works in detail. 

Yes indeed. This is exactly what I wanted to say.

I'll just add, most people who try to use scientific principles to deny God don't exactly understand the scientific principles themselves. For instance, there is a common misconception that the Plank distance is the smallest distance measurable, despite the fact that we have measured smaller things.

@Ancient Elantrian I know there a lot of things that don't make sense. I have those types of things too, and maybe one day I will share them here. As I've shared with Thaidakar before though, God is reason. Read verse 3 of Oh My Father it talks about Heavenly Mother, but the other important detail is that Truth is Reason, even if we can't understand it yet. But two things to remember. Faith is hope in things that are not seen(Maybe that is the verse Mason refered to). It is better to have faith in Heavenly Father's plan and then die and nothing exist than to deny him and reap what you sow in the life to come. And God will tell you things, but you must act in faith. One of the Doctrinal Mastery scriptures, I think it was in John, By keeping his commandments we learn his gospel.

Never let go of your faith, no matter how much you don't want to believe it. Because your faith will sustain you through all things if you hold fast to it.

[Mason Wheeler]

1 hour ago, Lego Mistborn said:

All things denote there is a God? I get the feeling this is doctrinal mastery and I feel dumb if I don't remember. I hope this is it.

No, that's Alma 30:44.