Zephrun’s Imperium Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 Look, guys, I did a practice drawing! I'm not very good at shading yet, but this was sure fun. (and this'll be one of the things I do for real later on) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AonEne he/him in an enby way Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Last Post said: canon, you can't argue with the sanderman, plus, it sounds better Brandon doesn’t pronounce everything the way you would in-world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, AonEne said: Okay, explain that reasoning to me. Well, never liked Elhokar since his introduction: inept, self-important, lazy, rash, arrogant, classist?/racist? (not sure what's the better fit for the lighteye/darkeye dynamic), drunk. He almost ordered Kaladin's execution over Amaram. Moash, and all his anger and hatred, did make sense. He struck me as more of a tragic figure who lost his way. Looking forward to a redemption arc. So, Moash's murder of Elhokar didn't really make me angry... the fact that Elhokar might've completed the Words, however, kinda blew my fuse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AonEne he/him in an enby way Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Honorless said: Well, never liked Elhokar since his introduction: inept, self-important, lazy, rash, arrogant, classist?/racist? (not sure what's the better fit for the lighteye/darkeye dynamic), drunk. He almost ordered Kaladin's execution over Amaram. Moash, and all his anger and hatred, did make sense. He struck me as more of a tragic figure who lost his way. Looking forward to a redemption arc. So, Moash's murder of Elhokar didn't really make me angry... the fact that Elhokar might've completed the Words, however, kinda blew my fuse. Keep in mind that from the perspective of most Rosharans, Elhokar isn’t particularly classist. Sure, he’s a lighteyes and views darkeyes in an inferior light, but he doesn’t specifically mistreat them; not onscreen, anyway. Yes, if it hadn’t been for Dalinar, he might have killed Kaladin because of what he said about Amaram, and that’s definitely extreme. But have you ever done something in a fit of anger? Kaladin had just completely ruined the plans that they’d made. That was not the time to get revenge on Amaram, and he should have known it, but he acted on strong emotions - and so did Elhokar, afterward. Besides, it was the law. Elhokar has been drunk like twice onscreen iirc. Both of those times were at the end of WOR, close together. I don’t think that counts as a personality trait. And while he’s quite inept at some things, he isn’t at others. Everyone is inept at something. I pretty much agree with your view of Moash. In fact, I think he can still have a redemption arc. But killing Elhokar was wrong. It made sense for Moash and I don’t blame him for it, but he still shouldn’t have done it. That’s why I disputed your “he did nothing wrong”. It’s hard for me to see Elhokar Kholin swearing the First Ideal as well, but I recognize that it was foreshadowed. Brandon painted Elhokar as someone who had made a lot of mistakes, and someone who was certainly broken. He also consistently tried to improve himself, even if he wasn’t doing the best at it that he could have. So I understand his path toward Radiancy, even if I probably wouldn’t have guessed that he would actually get there. (Which, in the end, he didn’t.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Aragorn of Gondor she/her Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, AonEne said: Keep in mind that from the perspective of most Rosharans, Elhokar isn’t particularly classist. Sure, he’s a lighteyes and views darkeyes in an inferior light, but he doesn’t specifically mistreat them; not onscreen, anyway. Yes, if it hadn’t been for Dalinar, he might have killed Kaladin because of what he said about Amaram, and that’s definitely extreme. But have you ever done something in a fit of anger? Kaladin had just completely ruined the plans that they’d made. That was not the time to get revenge on Amaram, and he should have known it, but he acted on strong emotions - and so did Elhokar, afterward. Besides, it was the law. Elhokar has been drunk like twice onscreen iirc. Both of those times were at the end of WOR, close together. I don’t think that counts as a personality trait. And while he’s quite inept at some things, he isn’t at others. Everyone is inept at something. I pretty much agree with your view of Moash. In fact, I think he can still have a redemption arc. But killing Elhokar was wrong. It made sense for Moash and I don’t blame him for it, but he still shouldn’t have done it. That’s why I disputed your “he did nothing wrong”. It’s hard for me to see Elhokar Kholin swearing the First Ideal as well, but I recognize that it was foreshadowed. Brandon painted Elhokar as someone who had made a lot of mistakes, and someone who was certainly broken. He also consistently tried to improve himself, even if he wasn’t doing the best at it that he could have. So I understand his path toward Radiancy, even if I probably wouldn’t have guessed that he would actually get there. (Which, in the end, he didn’t.) Almost too many words for me to read right now..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthless of Shinovar he/him Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Honorless said: Never liked Elhokar Moash did nothing wrong Storms, that worked for about 3 hours Let’s try this... Next it shall be assumed that the next person that posts hates Brandon Sanderson with all of their soul and then some. *wins* hehehehehehehehehehehehhe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Doomstick he/him Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 I have a negative soul 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 The winnerstorm is come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Aragorn of Gondor she/her Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 48 minutes ago, The Last Post said: I have a negative soul how? How are you on this forum and hate HIM? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Doomstick he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Aragorn said: how? How are you on this forum and hate HIM? i hate him with negative soul, meaning I like him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Aragorn of Gondor she/her Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 Just now, The Last Post said: i hate him with negative soul, meaning I like him That makes sense.... in a very weird way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 *It starts to rain pins bearing the word WIN!!* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthless of Shinovar he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 *spikes self using those pins and hemalurgy. Now whenever I look somebody in the eye, they only see “*WINS*”* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatherTiempo he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 Zoom 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 *Streamers fall.* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephrun’s Imperium Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 I NEED MORE CBST. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan_sedai he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Truthless of Shinovar said: Storms, that worked for about 3 hours Let’s try this... Next it shall be assumed that the next person that posts hates Brandon Sanderson with all of their soul and then some. *wins* hehehehehehehehehehehehhe Try it again. It might work eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AonEne he/him in an enby way Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Shard of Thought said: I NEED MORE CBST. Why, did the story wrap up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephrun’s Imperium Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, AonEne said: Why, did the story wrap up? No, it won't be done for a long while. But Xino hasn't posted since Monday... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 *Mood lighting comes on.* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 8 hours ago, AonEne said: Keep in mind that from the perspective of most Rosharans, Elhokar isn’t particularly classist. Sure, he’s a lighteyes and views darkeyes in an inferior light, but he doesn’t specifically mistreat them; not onscreen, anyway. Yes, if it hadn’t been for Dalinar, he might have killed Kaladin because of what he said about Amaram, and that’s definitely extreme. But have you ever done something in a fit of anger? Kaladin had just completely ruined the plans that they’d made. That was not the time to get revenge on Amaram, and he should have known it, but he acted on strong emotions - and so did Elhokar, afterward. Besides, it was the law. Elhokar has been drunk like twice onscreen iirc. Both of those times were at the end of WOR, close together. I don’t think that counts as a personality trait. And while he’s quite inept at some things, he isn’t at others. Everyone is inept at something. I pretty much agree with your view of Moash. In fact, I think he can still have a redemption arc. But killing Elhokar was wrong. It made sense for Moash and I don’t blame him for it, but he still shouldn’t have done it. That’s why I disputed your “he did nothing wrong”. It’s hard for me to see Elhokar Kholin swearing the First Ideal as well, but I recognize that it was foreshadowed. Brandon painted Elhokar as someone who had made a lot of mistakes, and someone who was certainly broken. He also consistently tried to improve himself, even if he wasn’t doing the best at it that he could have. So I understand his path toward Radiancy, even if I probably wouldn’t have guessed that he would actually get there. (Which, in the end, he didn’t.) If I got what you're trying to say with the "most Rosharans..." comment right, yeah, that is true. Elhokar is a product of his society. Yes, he has a more general disregard for darkeyes rather than any particular gangsta-style racism, still that kind of behavior doesn't look good on a person, much less a ruler. "Besides, it was the law"??? the hell...? I'm not touching that sentence. Yes, it was the wrong time to choose for Kaladin but he definitely didn't deserve even the jail time for that! Specially considering the things Amaram did. I didn't count how often (or otherwise) he was drunk. He didn't have many appearances though, and those seemed pretty defining moments for his character. Elhokar was always a centre of the party but not the politics, he didn't partake in any decision-making, a point acknowledged by Dalinar & Navani. Being a King overshadows being a budding architect though, and he seemed quite dismal at that role. Killing, in general, is wrong. It making sense from Moash's context should be the point of argument here. Yes, Elhokar for all his failings did try to make things right at the end, possibly even at the start but with much less inspiration. It was far to soon for me to warm up towards that character, however. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 *Wins.* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Doomstick he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 *wins more* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 *Hands @The Last Post a winning pin.* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Doomstick he/him Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 *thanks* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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