Windrunning he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 My theory is that to become a Skybreaker, you must first die and then be revived (like what happened to Szeth). This could also mean that Helaran would be alive and might have even gotten himself killed on purpose in the hopes he would become one. It could also explain this in some small part : "The considerable abilities of the Skybreakers for making such amounted to an almost divine skill, for which no specific Surge or spren grants capacity, but however the order came to such an aptitude, the fact of it wads real and acknowledged even by their rivals. -From Words of Radiance, chapter 28, page 3" Please leave me your thoughts! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 My theory is that to become a Skybreaker, you must first die and then be revived (like what happened to Szeth). This could also mean that Helaran would be alive and might have even gotten himself killed on purpose in the hopes he would become one. It could also explain this in some small part : Please leave me your thoughts! Improbable, stormlight resurrection is only possible before the brain dies. Heleran would have sat on the battlefield for a long time surrounded by people who would have noticed if he was taken away. Also Amaran would have noticed if his would-be assassin was missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunning he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 So Helaran is dead. It doesn't mean that the overall theory is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeiel he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) It would be an interesting point of uniqueness if all Skybreakers are zombies. I personally doubt this is the case, however. I think Nalan simply recruits members that already have considerable aptitude and ability. Szeth got revived because his talent (specifically in swordplay and use of gravitation surge) has already been scouted. Edited March 16, 2014 by Jeiel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I thought the quote referred to Skybreakers being exquisite engineers/fabrial makers or something, but I admit my command of English might be failing me here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roarsach Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I agree with you jeiel that Nalan simply recruits members for his personal order, that is separate from the KR, witch requires a Nahel bond. But Szeth cant be a skybreaker since he do not have bond with a spren, and the fact that he is given a shardblade (nightblood) proves it for my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wileygirl13 Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Correct me if I'm wrong, but each honor blade grants the wielder access to specific surges only. If I'm right Szeth won't be using gravitation surges in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Correct me if I'm wrong, but each honor blade grants the wielder access to specific surges only. If I'm right Szeth won't be using gravitation surges in the future. The thing with Gravity is most likely based on the assumption that he will become a Skybreaker, which is still somewhat farefetched given that we don´t know if Nalan´s group of Skybreakers (or how I like to call them Order of the brocken sky) are Surgebinders and if the Surge manifest the same way for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Nalan is insane. I don't think he wants real Skybreakers to arise, and I'm half convinced that should they do so he would reject them if he couldn't find a legal reason to kill them. Nalan appears to approve of Szeth because Szeth is willing to do whatever is required of his honor regardless of the personal cost to Szeth himself. The fact that Szeth is eating himself up from the inside and slowly going insane is just further proof to Nalan that Szeth is the right man for the job. The biggest bonus for Nalan about Szeth is that Szeth in NOT a surgebinder. With Nightblood at his command Szeth will be unstoppable...until Rysn shows up with her Larkin anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbauks he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I thought they were talking about the Skybreakers ability to find criminals and follow the law. The epigraph before this one talks about the Skybreakers splitting up a group into criminals and innocents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeiel he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Nalan is insane. I don't think he wants real Skybreakers to arise... ...The biggest bonus for Nalan about Szeth is that Szeth in NOT a surgebinder... You're right. I made the assumption he wanted to train real, Knight-Radiant-type Skybreakers. Which was wrong. I had to reread the interlude with Lift to find this part after he caught her the second time: Lift: "You... you coulda hunted big crime bosses, murderers. You chose me instead. Why?" Darkness: "Others may be detestable, but they do not dabble in arts that could return Desolation to this world." His words were so cold. "What you are must be stopped." So, he's a Radiant-hunter, having also killed Ym. His minions seem to be simple, ordinary thugs, like the one that slit Gawx's throat. Reviving Szeth and taking him in is likely a unique event and not regular recruitment procedure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbauks he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) My theory is that to become a Skybreaker, you must first die and then be revived (like what happened to Szeth). This could also mean that Helaran would be alive and might have even gotten himself killed on purpose in the hopes he would become one. It could also explain this in some small part : Please leave me your thoughts! The epigraph is regarding real Skybreakers(Radiants). Nalan's group is not the Skybreakers(only in name). Edited March 16, 2014 by xbauks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kogs Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 But the (re)growth power does allow people to come back to life, no? At least that seems to be the case with Lift bringing the nephew back to life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aminar Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 But the (re)growth power does allow people to come back to life, no? At least that seems to be the case with Lift bringing the nephew back to life. It doesn't say she brought him back to life. We don't know how Dead he was. I'd guess Regroeth allows resurrection in the same way that Defibrilators do(Well, the same timespan anyway...), but with the added ability to heal/stabilize wounds that wuld nullify a defibrilators usefullness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunning he/him Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I hadn't really thought about the fact the Nalan wasn't actually leading some KR. I assumed that the "one order that didn't abandon mankind" was the Skybreakers but the more I think about it the more I think it was probably Taln's order. Oops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I think it was merely convenient for Nalan to recruit him after the world thinks him dead. Helps them remain inconspicuous, the Skybreakers haven't stayed hidden all these years without effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbauks he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I hadn't really thought about the fact the Nalan wasn't actually leading some KR. I assumed that the "one order that didn't abandon mankind" was the Skybreakers but the more I think about it the more I think it was probably Taln's order. Oops... Can't be the Stonewards either. They broke their Bond with the Windrunners at Feverstone Keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morsk he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) I thought they were talking about the Skybreakers ability to find criminals and follow the law. The epigraph before this one talks about the Skybreakers splitting up a group into criminals and innocents.I agree. Here are the two epigraphs. They're on the same page of the in-world book too: There came also sixteen of the order of Windrunners, and with them a considerable number of squires, and finding in that place the Skybreakers dividing the innocent from the guilty, there ensued a great debate. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 28, page 3 The considerable abilities of the Skybreakers for making such amounted to an almost divine skill, for which no specific Surge or spren grants capacity, but however the order came to such an aptitude, the fact of it was real and acknowledged even by their rivals. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 28, page 3 Edited March 17, 2014 by Morsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I thought the quote referred to Skybreakers being exquisite engineers/fabrial makers or something, but I admit my command of English might be failing me here.Someone somewhere suggested that they have an intuitive sense of the guilt or innocence of someone. I like this theory, as it would seem like a divine ability indeed (unnerving to say the least) and would fit in very well with the Just/Confident attribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Someone somewhere suggested that they have an intuitive sense of the guilt or innocence of someone. I like this theory, as it would seem like a divine ability indeed (unnerving to say the least) and would fit in very well with the Just/Confident attribute. This certainly would fit nicely the Order. I suppose we'll have to wait and see. But it's good to know I haven't missed something obvious and there are different ways to read the said quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Like the Night Angel? To instantly see the Crimes/Sins/Guilt of somebody by looking into their eyes? Edited March 17, 2014 by WEZ313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejopen27 he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Szeth isn't really a skybreaker. He is part of Nalen's little posse of constables with shards and Szeth has a powerful weapon but he has no highspren bonded to him. The heralds could not pick who got to join their orders, the spren chose their bond mates on their own with no direction from the heralds. Nale chose Szeth because Szeth loved following the rules and had his own code of honor. I think it is highly unlikely that Nale himself would meet the requirements to become a true Skybreaker at this point. My guess is that being a skybreaker has to do with what is just not just what the law says. Nale is embracing unjust laws not meet has own personal goals and is therefor betraying the true nature of the Skybreakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 My guess is that being a skybreaker has to do with what is just not just what the law says. Nale is embracing unjust laws not meet has own personal goals and is therefor betraying the true nature of the Skybreakers. Syl implies that the highspren care a lot about what the law says, so I'm not entirely sure that Nalan wouldn't qualify. I think his killing of Surgebinders and selectively applying the law might be what the problem is. Lift tells him there's plenty of bad people who broke the law that he's not going after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormcrown Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'd say that the inherent "ability" Skybreakers have would be their resolve. The main attribute that Szeth displayed was his resolve to never, under any circumstance, break the law (As he viewed it). I'm still wondering if Nin/Naln is still against Odium. You can't say he killed KR, because those people simply had abilities. They were no radiants. I'm confused as to what his potential goals might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitSpren he/him Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Nalen does need to Die - Per what he said to Lift - He does not (Actually) care about the Law, he is obviously just using it as an excuse. Destination BEFORE Journey type of thing. He is just using the Law as a one man Kangaroo Court in an attempt to stop a Desolution, which is not the intent of any law that he is suposedly upholding. The same for Ym. Nalen is more of a murder that Ym, because it is obvious that Ym was an unwiting pawn used to kill that person. There is no culability, he just delivered a package like a postman. Ym would never have been found guilty and most any reasonable Legal system, except for Nalen's Kangaroo Court. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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