Duke of Lizards she/her Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Stark said: Ishar has those orange blobs that could be.... orange spren? I don't know, I think the only spren we know of that have been described as orange are painspren, and those look like hands. So these are a different orange spren. Glory spren. A part of me wishes that Shalash's face was scratched out.
Nymeros Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ammanas said: So I know some people are confused by one of the Heralds being depicted with keys. I believe that they are symbolic in nature. .....Possibly? Symbolic of what though? Thats the question. It's so strange. I'll be interested when Brandon reveals why she is associated with keys. Edited October 27, 2017 by Nymeros
Govir Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, Duke of Lizards said: A part of me wishes that Shalash's face was scratched out. When you get your copy, you can do this yourself. 3
uncas Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 The Jezrien and Vedel images may not be as initially striking as the Ishar and Shalash ones, but they definitely are growing on me. Jezrien is now my phone wallpaper and he looks amazing! I really hope we get all 10 heralds in a similar religious icon style. 2
Ammanas Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Nymeros said: .....Possibly? Symbolic of what though? Thats the question. It's so strange. I'll be interested when Brandon reveals why she is associated with keys. Going off the Saint Peter example perhaps she had the sole authority, among the heralds, to perform a certain task. But who really knows? Perhaps we will find out in this book! Edited October 27, 2017 by Ammanas
Stark he/him Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 24 minutes ago, Duke of Lizards said: Glory spren. Maybe. I was under the impression that they were golden, not orange. But they are supposed to be little globes, so it could fit. I'd never thought to associate gloryspren with the Bondsmiths though. Still not entirely convinced it fits though. @Argent No idea why a second thread was started for the same topic. It is not ideal having to watch two locations for the same info. Is there a way for the mods to merge both topics?
The Invested Beard Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 I wanna know what's up with the imagery of the keys...
Nymeros Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, Stark said: Maybe. I was under the impression that they were golden, not orange. But they are supposed to be little globes, so it could fit. I'd never thought to associate gloryspren with the Bondsmiths though. Still not entirely convinced it fits though. Hrmm Elokhar does mention that he sees more glory spren around Dalinar. They could be associated with Ishar though or simply be there to reflect this dudes majesty in front of followers (art doesn't have to be literal anyways).
Goatbringer he/him Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Yeah that's what I was thinking. If he's got a cult of personality thing going on, why not have a ton of followers see gloryspren around you? 3 minutes ago, Nymeros said: Hrmm Elokhar does mention that he sees more glory spren around Dalinar. They could be associated with Ishar though or simply be there to reflect this dudes majesty in front of followers (art doesn't have to be literal anyways).
Argent he/him Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, Stark said: @Argent No idea why a second thread was started for the same topic. It is not ideal having to watch two locations for the same info. Is there a way for the mods to merge both topics? I've asked them to.
Ammanas Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, The Invested Beard said: I wanna know what's up with the imagery of the keys... On the other thread dedicated to the same images I put forth my idea that the keys could possibly be symbolic of her being given soul authority to perform a certain task among the heralds. What that task is I have no idea, but thats my two cents.
Steeldancer he/him Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Or, as I've already said, the keys are for (gasp!) Opening something
Jaconis Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Steeldancer said: Or, as I've already said, the keys are for (gasp!) Opening something Or locking something away... 2
Aleksiel Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jaconis said: Or locking something away... You know, as obvious as that is (in retrospect), I actually hadn't thought of it.
Nathrangking he/him Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 I think that it represents the freedom/ carefree nature of the Herald and her order.
The Invested Beard Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: I think that it represents the freedom/ carefree nature of the Herald and her order. She does kinda look like a grown up Lift would.
Salkara Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Jezrien's Honorblade is depicted accurately, but what about the dimensions? If it's five feet long in that painting, then Jezrien is incredibly tall.
ScavellTane Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 I don't think Honorblades are as big as a regular shardblades.
Salkara Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, ScavellTane said: I don't think Honorblades are as big as a regular shardblades. They aren't. Regular shardblades are huge. Honorblades are still pretty long. Dalinar describes Yasi's honorblade as barely five feet long. If that's a five foot blade, Jezrien has to be 8-10 feet tall. Edited October 28, 2017 by Salkara
Necessary Eagle she/her Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) On 10/27/2017 at 10:05 AM, ScavellTane said: this. Plausible, but I think it's also possible they might be medical devices of some sort. Because Taln does say that Vedel trains the surgeons for the upcoming Desolations. (Then again, we don't know if the artists would know about that). Edited October 29, 2017 by Necessary Eagle
Calderis he/him Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 On 10/27/2017 at 7:43 AM, Alfa said: The whole Safehands-thing presumably originated from "arts and majesty", which made the difference between male and female jobs. We do not know how old this book is (nothing says its not written by nohadon's advisor) but it seems to be at oldest hierocratical, because it is very Vorin in nature. On the other hand it may have been written post-factual to constate given traditions and give some type of 'canon'. The safehand tradition started directly as a means to control Shardblades. Women struck back shortly after and took literacy as their own. Quote Questioner Safehands: Where did, that-- like why? Is there like a cultural *inaudible*? Brandon Sanderson There is a culture-- Now the actual answer to that is because different cultures have really different mores, and if you go around our world you will find places where, for instance, showing the bottom of your foot-- where the bottom of your foot is offensive, or where showing certain parts of your anatomy is not offensive that it is here. And that is very common, it's part of what it means to be human. Now if you want to trace back in Rosharan time, there is actually a moment that you can point at and say "this is where it started" and it started right after the Recreance where all these Shardblades and Shardplate were suddenly out there everywhere, and certain people in power wanted to make sure that half the population didn't have access to them, and so they started emphasizing a certain philosophy book that had been written by a woman that said "feminine arts were one-handed, masculine arts were two-handed". And because of this it became culturally ingrained, which then-- basically it was a misogynistic ploy to keep the women from having the Shardblades, and then in that a certain movement of the women seized writing, and that's when men stopped writing. It's kind of a reciprocation on it. But that's kind of where it went, but it's become much bigger than that, if that makes any sense. Questioner What do you do if you safehand is your dominant hand? Brandon Sanderson If you are darkeyed it's not a problem, you just wear a glove. If you are lighteyed then you learn to write with your non-dominant hand, which is a problem. Footnote: The book here is likely Arts and Majesty, referenced in WoR 25 Quote Questioner (paraphrased) Why can only women read in [The] Stormlight Archive? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Immediately after the Recreance an old book was used to argue for the idea that only men should be picking up the blades and plate, fighting was a masculine art. Over a period of 20 or so years this became established and some women used the same argument to take back some power by taking literacy for themselves as a feminine art. 2
ScavellTane Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, Calderis said: The safehand tradition started directly as a means to control Shardblades. Women struck back shortly after and took literacy as their own. I would say that covering of safehands was something to honor Karm, Nohadons advisor. Its something that signifies the role of advisor or scribe. With the coming of Arts and Majesty, the role became gender specific thus we only see women covering their hands.
Calderis he/him Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 1 minute ago, ScavellTane said: I would say that covering of safehands was something to honor Karm, Nohadons advisor. Its something that signifies the role of advisor or scribe. With the coming of Arts and Majesty, the role became gender specific thus we only see women covering their hands. Did you read the WoBs? Quote it started right after the Recreance where all these Shardblades and Shardplate were suddenly out there everywhere, and certain people in power wanted to make sure that half the population didn't have access to them, and so they started emphasizing a certain philosophy book that had been written by a woman that said "feminine arts were one-handed, masculine arts were two-handed". It started because a woman wrote a book, and it was pushed to the forefront of society so that men could control Shardblades. Karm existed thousands of years before, preceding multiple desolations, as this happened after the Recreance, and Karm was a advisor to Nohadon, whose book inspired the rules that were a part of the Knights Radiant founding as an organization. Until Dalinar's visions, Karm had been forgotten for millenia. 2
ScavellTane Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) You're implying the covering of safehands started with the book, I'm implying the covering of 'hand' was incorporated into the book. Yes? Edited October 29, 2017 by ScavellTane
Calderis he/him Posted October 29, 2017 Posted October 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, ScavellTane said: You're implying the covering of safehands started with the book, I'm implying the covering of 'hand' was incorporated into the book. Yes? Ah, I didn't understand, but yes that's what I'm implying. My interpretation of those WoBs is that prior to the Recreance and the advancement of Arts and Majesty, safehands were not a thing. "this is were it starts" seems pretty definitive to me. 1
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