Long Game (3)2: Pulling on Strings

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

You want me to vote?

Working on it. I'll vote tomorrow morning.

Right now I'll say that for reasons I can't quite verbalize I'm getting an odd read on Aonar. I was also tempted to vote on you for trying to prod me for a vote, but I restrained myself because the sentiment of encouraging voter participation is a very good one.

Honestly, this game is going to get easier once I get to know more of you... I know some of you don't believe in examining players' past styles, but in my opinion it's very hard to make headway without knowing how someone plays the game. It's very hard to judge how eliminator-y someone is behaving unless you have a good comparison point for their normal behavior. Some people always seem a little suspicious no matter what, and some people never seem suspicious, even when they are elim, unless you look really really closely.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

13 minutes ago, Elenion said:

Ising the being of fairly sure that the kill on DK wasing made by a Coinshot. The Inquisitor wasing the having of no motivation to kill him, but a Coinshot could have hasing the wanting of removing an inactive.

Ising the agreeing that the Crusade can wait for this cycle.

Ising the attempting of decoding the hidden message in the tin. No hasing luck yet, but hasing barely started.

I disagree. The Inquisitor needs more Mistings to die so he can convert again. Also, killing Dalinar doesn't really give us any information, which is reason enough to kill him. Contrary to that, the Coinshot has reason to hold back, since there was only the Inquisitor and maybe a convert. And Dalinar wasn't inactive. He just posted yesterday.

Seeing as you agree with halting the Contribution Crusade this Cycle, any suspects on your mind?

Just now, Drake Marshall said:

You want me to vote?

Working on it. I'll vote tomorrow morning.

Right now I'll say that for reasons I can't quite verbalize I'm getting an odd read on Aonar. I was also tempted to vote on you for trying to prod me for a vote, but I restrained myself because the sentiment of encouraging voter participation is a very good one.

Honestly, this game is going to get easier once I get to know more of you... I know some of you don't believe in examining players' past styles, but in my opinion it's very hard to make headway without knowing how someone plays the game. It's very hard to judge how eliminator-y someone is behaving unless you have a good comparison point for their normal behavior. Some people always seem a little suspicious no matter what, and some people never seem suspicious, even when they are elim, unless you look really really closely.

Great! Glad to hear it. I'm planning on being very annoying about prodding players to vote. In my opinion, it just makes things much more interesting when there's a bunch of votes.

I wholeheartedly agree. Getting to know the players helps a lot most of the time.

And I'm off for the night! I won't be around again until late tomorrow night, so I'll be back then to pressure people into voting.  And in case anyone is suspicious of my sudden activity right after a conversion, I guess I just didn't have much reason to say a lot before, and I wanted to try and get this Day off to a fast start.

Praise the Ja!

[Farnsworth]

Quond stood up, and saw a young woman (@Arraenae)  in the corner. He walked over, cautious. "I got no idea why you've been kidnapped, but it's for something rusting evil, that's for sure. That damnation Teikel. I'm Quond. In better times, a house name would follow, but alass, one does not. Who are you? Want to help kill that Rusting Teikel?"

HemalurgicHeadshot, of course. Remember my previous vow?

[Elenion he/him]

Just now, TheMightyLopen said:

Seeing as you agree with halting the Contribution Crusade this Cycle, any suspects on your mind?

Right now ising the focusing on cracking that tin message. Hasing the identifying of a username encrypted in the message, unless hasing the decryption very wrong. Ising the PMing for the interrogating.

[Herowannabe he/him]

Herwynbe stirred, slowly climbing to his feet. He had laid in the crypt alongside Elosa's casket for an entire day. Some people had tried to speak to him during that time, but of course he didn't respond, out of respect for the deceased. It helped that he had spent the entire time in a sort of trance, filling his bromzemind. 

Working the kinks out of his joints, he made his way upstairs to find out what had happened in the meantime. 

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Whew! The last time I had a chance to get was only yesterday afternoon, but in the time between the vote took a massive swing, Drought was lynched, the night cycle started and ended, and now we're already several hours into the next day cycle. 

Alright, let me respond to a few things. Particularly this, from @randuir

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So, yeah, @Herowannabe. There has been something about his posts starting N1 that  made me suspicious. A more critical rereading of his posts has proven to me that I don't really have a clue regarding his alignment . I'll present my reasoning below, so that other people can judge themselves.

So, on day 1, he kept mostly to roleplay. He also introduced the contribution crusade to those unfamiliar with the concept. He had one post in which he expressed his views on a D1 lynch and gave some very general piecesof advice. So far, so alignment unindicative.

He starts N1 by accusing Amanuensis and Droughtbringer, basing his reasoning on the vote manipulation that occurred and his belief that the inquisitor would do his best to secure a D1 lynch. His reasoning here is somewhat odd, as the last thing the inquisitor would want to do at this point is attract attention to himself with such a blatant move to secure a lynch. It would be far more likely the inquisitor would use his powers to frame others, instead of risking to stand out himself.

He retracts his suspicion somewhat in his next post, after I quote Orlok's response to my question regarding the inquisitor's action economy. Orlok's response had been placed about halfway through the first day, but Hero's last post that cycle had been about 1.5 hours before Orlok's response, so he could genuinely have missed that. He also states the following, which he later uses to justify a vote on Mark:

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I thought I made it clear, but apparently not. Regardless of what the village wanted for day 1, the Inquisitor certainly wanted a lynch. The Inquisitor gains nothing from a no-lynch situation Day 1. So whether it vote-manipped or simply cast a vote, it probably would have wanted to do something to help ensure that a lynch went through. Maybe it was amanuensis or Drought and cast a vote on Sart to help see it through. Maybe it has some sort of uber-Brass that automatically soothes whoever it votes for, and it [email protected] IV voting on Ecthelion to sooth his vote away from him and make it more likely one of the other lynch candidates would die. 

In this, he comes up with a rather inventive version of uber-brass. Given that the previous uber-metals where powerful, but not particularly out-there, this suggested function of the metal is rather surprising. It surprises me even more that Hero thinks this possible function is likely enough to justify a vote on Mark during the next day cycle.

During the day, when he places his vote, he gets called out on this reasoning by me and Mark, but he doesn't explain further why he thingks Mark is particularly suspicious, and maintains the vote until the end of the cycle.

He has made one more post on day 2, from which I've taken the following excerpt:

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@Kipper and @Drake Marshall, you are forgetting another reason why the inquisitor might have decided to kill Aman: to Troll him. There are a number of players who would happily throw Aman's challenge back in his face like that and thank him for the free conversion. I even had one person say that he would do as much in a PM, though I don't suspect him of being the inquisitor. Personally, I would have taken Aman up on the challenge. It seems that whenever we play together he always ends up suspicious of me (sometimes rightly so), and I would love taking him on and trying to outwit him. For a few cycles at least.

He states two things of note. First, that Amanuensis apparently always becomes suspicious of him at some point, and that the fact that amanuensis got killed should clear him of being the inquisitor, because he'd have liked a battle of wits.

The first statement could be part of his reasons for throwing suspicion at Aman during N1, as making Aman look suspicious early could help him defend from later suspicion by Aman. This course of action would only really make sense if he's the inquisitor though.

Regarding the second statement, I'd just like to say that I don't expect the inquistor to admit to being likely to kill Aman in that situation. Inf act, I've been expecting the inquisitor to present some kind of reasoning along those lines ("Look guys, I can't be the inquisitor, because I'd have take Aman's challenge.")

The other point of interest is that he states he suspects Drought too, without giving further explanation, but he also reminds us that there might be a legit reason for him not posting as much. Statements of suspicion without explanation always make me suspicious, and the way he did it would allow him to join a later lynch on Drought, while at the same time seeming to push back against that lynch in case drought gets lynched this cycle, which would make him appear village (because he tried to safe another villager).

Anyway, as I said in the beginning, I'm not certain about Hero's alignment, despite the reasons for him possibly being an elim I've listed here. The reason I'm not certain is that these small, possibly suspicious, acts are the best I've been able to find, and though they seem suspicious, none of them is definite proof. If you (yes, you, whoever is currently reading this) have time, maybe look over Hero yourself, and check if I'm just being paranoid, or there is actually something off about him.

Well for starters, I've looked over this Herowannabe fellow thoroughly and I'm quite convinced he's villager, at least for now.

Re: my suspicions: I still think it likely that the Inquisitor participated in the day 1 votes in some way, likely by casting one of the votes, hence the basis for most of my suspicion I had/have for Aman, Drought, and Mark. 

Re: my vote on Mark: honestly I meant to come back and change it before the end of the cycle, but didn't get the chance.

Re: my comments about 'the challenge': no attempts to manipulate or persuade anyone here, I was simply stating the truth- I would have taken Aman up on his challenge. Also, I stated my reasons for suspecting Drought earlier- I think the inquisitor participated in the vote, and Drought voted on Sart day 1.

Re: anything else you may have found suspicious: suffice it to say that I have not (and probably will not) stated ALL of the reasons for all of my actions, and I have my reasons for not stating them (which I also will not state at this time). 

[DeTess she/her]

So we've had a conversion (wonder if that meant the inqusitor did not actually have ubercoppper) and a snapping, as well as a a kill on Dalinar Kholin. Why did the elim/coinshot kill him, of all people? I've looked at his posts, and things said to/about him, and the conclusion is that he was probably killed by the elim, and picked by a random number generator. The breakdown of all this is below, but it mostly comes down to: "Dalinar says something inconspicuous. There's no reason for someone to kill him over it. Someone says something inconspicuous about Dalinar. There's no good reason to kill Dalinar over this."

He's posted twice in the thread, both times on day 2:

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So, in my short and limited understanding of the current conflict. Considering Ecthellion is central to the current discussion (Aralis attacking Elenion in reference to Ecthellion), I will put a vote on Drake. 

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Why kill inactive right now? It gives us no information. Even if we're shooting in the dark, we can start to establish patterns and sort through info. Sure, it isn't the best, but it's better than nothing. Also, this bandwagon has started way to fast. The use of argument against vote manip's isn't legitimate b/c we have no reason to believe Sparticus is evil.

This is not exactly much to have attracted the attention of an elim or coinshot. The elim might have wanted to target him to make Drake seem a bit more suspicious, as one of Dalinar's posts was about that eh thought Drake was suspicious. Maybe the elim or coinshot is really in favor of killing inactives, so they killed someone who advocated against that? Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense. Let's look at the context a bit more. I've collated the things that have been said about/to dalinar below. I've put most of them in spoiler tags, as I haven't been able to get anything useful out of them, but if someone wants to look into his death, I'll have everything nicely gathered here.

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By Drake, D2, in reaction to his vote:

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On 3/30/2017 at 3:43 AM, Yitzi2 said:

I'm not quite sure how your vote follows from Ecthelion's centrality to the current discussion.

To speak bluntly. Neither am I.

I mean, there's already good evidence to point to the fact that our rioter is a villager. So why on earth would I bother lying about that? And, if I were lying, maybe to protect myself against eliminators, wouldn't that already indicate that I'm village?

I mean, vote on me, I guess, but... Please just clarify, what are your actual reasons to be voting on me? God knows, there are likely solid reasons to think I'm suspicious, but I'm not seeing any of them.

Half of the votes this cycle have had maybe 1 sentence of vague reasoning behind them. I'm noticing Randuir is reliably asking people to elaborate when they do that, for which I applaud him.

By Randuir, day 2, in response to him arguing against going after an inactive.

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If you've got a good lead to go after instead, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I'll keep supporting killing someone who will do the village no good. Regarding vote manipulation, there was a 2:2 tie, with a bunch of lone votes on other people. If the inquisitor has some kind of uber-emotional allomancy, he might have been able to pick any of those people with 1 vote to move them up to being lynched instead.

By HH, day 2

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That was putting it lightly. What needs to come from this cycle is who we are going to lynch, who is the prime target for Elim conversion, and plans. I just checked to see if Aman had any parting suspicions lynch if he died, and he didn't. How unfortunate. He only mentioned Dalinar and Spartacus, due to inactivity. I was hoping to get a lead... This cycle I'll vote, okay? However, I can't pry anything useful from what has been said and come up with a good excuse to vote on it, so I might slip into a bandwagon to see that something gets done around here...

 

By Aman, night 1:

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If you do not accept my challenge, kill me tonight. I promise you that I am a Misting, so killing me will get you a conversion for tomorrow night. But if you do accept my challenge, I ask that you kill Dalinar Kholin or Iamspartacus. Neither have been online since before the game began, so their deaths would not harm the village and there's as decent a chance as any that either of them are Mistings, too. If you kill one and they fail to be a Misting, I will vote on the other one tomorrow, as lynching active players at this stage in the game is utterly pointless until you have a Spiked or two working alongside you.

So, Aman listed the two inactive players here and asks for them to be killed instead of him, if the inquisitor accepts his challenge. He doesn't provide any other reasons for people to be suspicious of these two (in fact, him listing them seems to indicate he believes them innocent), so it's not a reason for the coinshot to shoot him. Dalinar wasn't inactive in the second cycle either, so that wouldn't be reason to kill him either.

By Silverblade5, day 2

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I'd also assume he generally has some for of protection whenever possible, which also leads me to conclude a double tap was was somehow done. I'm going to vote Dalinar, as I'm unfamiliar with him and can therefor assign any arbitrary pattern of behavior to him. He has until the end of the day to convince me otherwise.

SIlverblade votes for him, here (but retracts it later). Maybe an elim wanted to, in a very circumspect way, throw suspicion at Silverblade?

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Ok, I can finally get back and make myself be active again XD. Here are my thoughts on the following players. Think of this post as making up for me being inactive. You guys better appreciate the amount of time I spent on this! Purple Elim, Bue Village.

Arinian - Alrin

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@Arinian Made some logical and clear moves during this game. He has joked a fair bit during this game. And after looking back on the previous games he has played, he has never spoken as lightly as he has this game, perhaps he's just growing more comfortable, perhaps he's covering something. He has said

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Oh also about my humor, you can look in LG28 elim doc I couple time mentioned that my jokes always bad so that's not news for me

Maybe some of his eliminatorness has seeped into the main thread as well   He has placed and removed votes on people a few times, perhaps on order of his elim buddies. Made a few eh reasons for them as well.
I am leaning towards Elim Right now

Jondesu - Remarts 

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Call me weird, but for some reason I feel like @Jondesu might be a Tineye heh.

Anyway, Jondesu has been going through alot of real life problems during this game (Respect for playing bro). So far he has posted a little analysis and contributed a little during this game, and a fair bit of RP. During Day 2 he picked up on activity, having been fairly consistent during the game.

I have a neutral read on him

Elenion - Roger Elariel

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@Elenion's messages have been extremely annoying me this game, idk why, maybe it's the overuse of High Imperial that make him sound annoying, or the fact he said he would post translations of them (for others) then failed to do so consistently. 

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Ising the ising of books upon books of financial records of House Tekiel

Brooo, at least use it right  

He hasn't contributed much to the game, has voted on inactives using the "Crusade" as an excuse,  then during the later stages starts contributing in a meaningful way. Said you were sleep deprived, so there may be a factor to your lack of contribution to discussion. 

Right now, he is in neutral territory with a possibility of being elim

Drake Marshall - Serray

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Ok, so @Drake Marshall has been very helpful and active this game, points in your favour. He is one of the newer players so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's proposed plans and things as well.

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Want to call my bluff? Lynch me. I dare you. I may be dead, but I'll also be proven right. And trust me, that matters much more to me 

This throws me off a little, far more confronting and self-aware than his other posts. So I have suspicions he may be an Elim, but I am willing to overlook it.

And then I come across this which throws Drake wildly into the Elim zone.

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Hm... So you are saying I'm being inconsistent? Guilty as charged.  People are not consistent. Particularly villagers who aren't thinking very hard about how their actions may look to other people

Mate, you yourself proposed we pay attention to changes in game style...

And right after those moments of flashing warning lights, Drake seems to go back to his "normal" style.

Elim screaming right here. Likeliest Inquisitor right now.

Randuir - Magister Agemtsar

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@randuir, one of the sneakier players  . Good RP, very good analysis. LG30 must be taken into account, but I'm willing to bet he is Villager. (I'm very tired and not bothered looking up all his posts after he went inactive)

Magestar - David Agemtsar

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@Magestar Active/inactive on and off. Not enough to get a solid read on him. Seems a little detached from the game.

Herowannabe - Herwynbe

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@Herowannabe. Either one of the biggest threats or the biggest ally. Played in the original LG2, so has a fair bit of experience with this system and game-style. I'm willing to bet he is villager for now, but there is always the chance that the Inquisitor chose him for converting. He definitely didn't start off as the Inquisitor in my opinion.

(Loved those Tineye messages btw, respect)

Yitzi2 - Garshin

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Great first impression  @Yitzi2. I don't get an Elim read from you right now, but that could change  

Metacognition

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@Metacognition Could have been a valuable asset. Too bad inactive. Neutral read. Hasn't come online for a bit. Come and help us out 

Silverblade5 - Ryth

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@Silverblade5 Suspiciously inactive, has posted on other areas of the Shard (yesterday). Worth looking at should he become active again.

Arraenae - Rhea

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@Arraenae, A little erratic at the start but I would place that on your Insomnia (Know how that feels heh) Quickly falls into a rythm as the game. Some turns spent mainly doing RP than analysis and contributing, but I've done that as well, so I'm willing to overlook it. Villager read.

TheMightyLopen - Sidon

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@TheMightyLopen Been consistent with his posting, inputting where he can, rather than analysing, something I can understand. Grows active last cycle and places suspicions out there. Strong Village read.

little wilson - Willie Klara

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@little wilson, wilson, wilson. Another massive threat/ally here. Probably the person who understands the rules the best after Meta. Strong start, lots of activity, analysis and brainstorming. Slowly started lessening activity (probably for the best:P). Villager read on her as well, though again, the Inquisitor may have converted her, or will plan to. She definitely didn't start off as the Inquisitor.

Iamspartacus - Astrid the Bold

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@IamspartacusSadly hasn't posted anything  

Ornstein - Winkleton

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@Ornstein I have no clue who this is, I don't know anything about them or anything so I reserve my judgement for anything he/she posts after this. Hasn't posted much of anything. Nothing longer than 2 lines. Newbie so one of the things to be expected.

Araris Valerian - Wol

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@Araris Valerian Hasn't been active since last Thursday. Hopefully will pick up soon, so I can get a read on him  

OmeGaster - Rieyun

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@OmeGaster Also hasn't been active since last Thurday...

Kipper - Elenion

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@Kipper Fairly active, has contributed a little. Don't see why an Elim would choose to convert him however, and I doubt he started off as Inquisitor.

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people's playstyles can change radically from game to game. I prefer to use and see in-game reasoning rather than outside-game reasoning.

Yes, good point. Should anyone do anything like this then let us be suspicious of them!

Bugsy - Jelwynd

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@Bugsy6912 I've seen you active on the discord  Come and join us and stop lurking! "Eh" read.

 

Figberts - Quond

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@Figberts Has been fairly active, a little 50/50 on the read, but I'm willing to bet he's a villager.

Mark IV - The Follower

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@Mark IV Welcome back  Glad to see you active and about, helping out and contributing. (Gods I'm tired now...)

Village read. Sure. WHy not?

Manukos - Reval

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@Manukos Not inactive, but not active either. Post more bro! We want to hear what you have to say. Neutral read.

Aonar Faileas - Vana Izenry

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@Aonar Faileas Is starting to be active again, keep it up yeah? I will analyse what you said just then after this heh. From what I *have* seen, I have a villager read.

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Obviously. I mean, who else could it be? I'm clearly the Inquisitor.. Meh. Two games does not a sample group make. Once upon a time, I was fairly consistently vocal, but that's not really the case anymore. If you went back and read LG28, you might notice that I really wasn't very active.

Stay active! We want to hear what you have to say  

Ecthelion - Amnar

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(AH GODS FINALLY). @Ecthelion III Let's see. Refuses to ship with me. Lynch him bois.

jk

Was active at the start sort of, but went inactive. Might pick up again soon tho right?  

*blinks blearily.

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Conversion and a snap. *sigh, May the odds be ever in our favour...XD, it's a little status quo right now...

23 hours ago, OrlokTsubodai said:

“Ofralllilluminationrwhichnhumanrreason cansgive,snoneaisrcomparablelto therdiscoverylof whatrwenare,roursroles,sour loyalties,awhatrfeatslofrtrickerynwe arercapablesof,sandawhatrwe willldorinnorderrtosdrive thesspikedaout.”r

Ha. Highlighted it cos of those spaces in front of the commas that were triggering me XD.

Here's what I got.

Ofralllilluminationrwhichnhumanrreason cansgive,snoneaisrcomparablelto therdiscoverylof whatrwenare,roursroles,sour loyalties,awhatrfeatslofrtrickerynwe arercapablesof,sandawhatrwe willldorinnorderrtosdrive thesspikedaout

hmm.

EDITED.

13 "r"s

8 "s"s 

6 "l"s

4 "n"s

4 "a"s . . Someone check if I counted that stuff right.
I'm slightly delirious so someone check over this and see if I made any mistakes, and perhaps work something out using what I found heh.

Storms I'm too tired now, I will analyse this turn's posts and do some RP in the morning perhaps. Good night.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Darkness Ascendant

[DeTess she/her]

42 minutes ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

Ha. Highlighted it cos of those spaces in front of the commas that were triggering me XD.

Here's what I got.

Ofralllilluminationrwhichnhumanrreason cansgive,snoneaisrcomparablelto therdiscoverylof whatrwenare,roursroles,sour loyalties,awhatrfeatslofrtrickerynwe arercapablesof,sandawhatrwe willldorinnorderrtosdrive thesspikedaout

hmm.

11 "r"s

5 "l"s

4 "n"s

3 "a"s . First Thing I notice is that they seem to get smaller downwards heh XD. 5+4=9, +3=12. Someone check if I counted that stuff right.
I'm slightly delirious so someone check over this and see if I made any mistakes, and perhaps work something out using what I found heh.

Oh, wow. I hadn't even thought of that. Yesterday's message had it as well:

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I1welcome4new blood1thoughts,1
or old9blood thoughts1sharpening their knives4coming back1for1more
provided9the result
is more precision added
color or greater expressiveness aka fun

Most things you see in here are misdirection, fluff, and red herrings. 

Highlighted, this becomes:

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I1welcome4new blood1thoughts,1
or old9blood thoughts1sharpening their knives4coming back1for1more
provided9the result
is more precision added
color or greater expressiveness aka fun

Most things you see in here are misdirection, fluff, and red herrings. 

I'm not sure yet what's up with the numbers, and I really ought to be doing more productive stuff right now. I might get back to this later. For now, I had one more question for Darkness. What did you mean by saying I'd gone inactive in your thoughts one me? Was that a  typo, or...?

And yes, I for one appreciate the work put into big posts like yours, if only because it gives me something to work with when I come around to analyzing the author of posts like that.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

6 hours ago, Figberts said:

Quond stood up, and saw a young woman (@Arraenae)  in the corner. He walked over, cautious. "I got no idea why you've been kidnapped, but it's for something rusting evil, that's for sure. That damnation Teikel. I'm Quond. In better times, a house name would follow, but alass, one does not. Who are you? Want to help kill that Rusting Teikel?"

HemalurgicHeadshot, of course. Remember my previous vow?

Hmmm. What is this vow? I skimmed through the previous cycles, where most of your posts were insubstantial RP. There was nothing about some vow to slay my poor gentleman Quinn. Is this vote purely RP? If it is, then I highly encourage you to remove it and place it somewhere with reasonable evidence.

@Darkness Ascendant, you neglected to include me in your player analysis. I am offend

Much suspicion is being centered around Drake and Aonar, Drake due to his particular activity, and Aonar from a slightly less active position. It is likely that the Inquisitor sought out an active player to convert, so that he/she could have an Elim influence in much of the discussion. Drake is an active player, but that doesn't incriminate him yet. Aonar gets a bad gut read from me, and Drake is beginning to tilt Elim from his tone, but there needs to be more from this. I will most likely vote on one of these two.

[DeTess she/her]

53 minutes ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

Ha. Highlighted it cos of those spaces in front of the commas that were triggering me XD.

Here's what I got.

Ofralllilluminationrwhichnhumanrreason cansgive,snoneaisrcomparablelto therdiscoverylof whatrwenare,roursroles,sour loyalties,awhatrfeatslofrtrickerynwe arercapablesof,sandawhatrwe willldorinnorderrtosdrive thesspikedaout

hmm.

11 "r"s

5 "l"s

4 "n"s

3 "a"s . First Thing I notice is that they seem to get smaller downwards heh XD. 5+4=9, +3=12. Someone check if I counted that stuff right.
I'm slightly delirious so someone check over this and see if I made any mistakes, and perhaps work something out using what I found heh.

You also missed one bit:

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Conclusion:ldiscussrmore!

becomes:

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Conclusion:ldiscussrmore!

This becomes 13 r's (you missed one in your count), 6 l's, and 4 a's (you missed one a as well).

 

[Yitzi2]

6 hours ago, Figberts said:

Quond stood up, and saw a young woman (@Arraenae)  in the corner. He walked over, cautious. "I got no idea why you've been kidnapped, but it's for something rusting evil, that's for sure. That damnation Teikel. I'm Quond. In better times, a house name would follow, but alass, one does not. Who are you? Want to help kill that Rusting Teikel?"

"If you figure out how to reach the bastard, I'm in.  Though, there's bigger and worse things coming soon..."

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As a side note: Why was Mykal labeled a smoker, but Lebochevkowski labeled a coppercloud?  Aren't those two names for the same thing?

[Bugsy he/him]

2 hours ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

Ok, I can finally get back and make myself be active again XD. Here are my thoughts on the following players. Think of this post as making up for me being inactive. You guys better appreciate the amount of time I spent on this!

Arinian - Alrin

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@Arinian Made some logical and clear moves during this game. He has joked a fair bit during this game. And after looking back on the previous games he has played, he has never spoken as lightly as he has this game, perhaps he's just growing more comfortable, perhaps he's covering something. He has said

Maybe some of his eliminatorness has seeped into the main thread as well   He has placed and removed votes on people a few times, perhaps on order of his elim buddies. Made a few eh reasons for them as well.
I am leaning towards Elim Right now

Jondesu - Remarts 

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Call me weird, but for some reason I feel like @Jondesu might be a Tineye heh.

Anyway, Jondesu has been going through alot of real life problems during this game (Respect for playing bro). So far he has posted a little analysis and contributed a little during this game, and a fair bit of RP. During Day 2 he picked up on activity, having been fairly consistent during the game.

I have a neutral read on him

Elenion - Roger Elariel

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@Elenion's messages have been extremely annoying me this game, idk why, maybe it's the overuse of High Imperial that make him sound annoying, or the fact he said he would post translations of them (for others) then failed to do so consistently. 

Brooo, at least use it right  

He hasn't contributed much to the game, has voted on inactives using the "Crusade" as an excuse,  then during the later stages starts contributing in a meaningful way. Said you were sleep deprived, so there may be a factor to your lack of contribution to discussion. 

Right now, he is in neutral territory with a possibility of being elim

Drake Marshall - Serray

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Ok, so @Drake Marshall has been very helpful and active this game, points in your favour. He is one of the newer players so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's proposed plans and things as well.

This throws me off a little, far more confronting and self-aware than his other posts. So I have suspicions he may be an Elim, but I am willing to overlook it.

And then I come across this which throws Drake wildly into the Elim zone.

Mate, you yourself proposed we pay attention to changes in game style...

And right after those moments of flashing warning lights, Drake seems to go back to his "normal" style.

Elim screaming right here. Likeliest Inquisitor right now.

Randuir - Magister Agemtsar

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@randuir, one of the sneakier players  . Good RP, very good analysis. LG30 must be taken into account, but I'm willing to bet he is Villager. (I'm very tired and not bothered looking up all his posts after he went inactive)

Magestar - David Agemtsar

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@Magestar Active/inactive on and off. Not enough to get a solid read on him. Seems a little detached from the game.

Herowannabe - Herwynbe

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@Herowannabe. Either one of the biggest threats or the biggest ally. Played in the original LG2, so has a fair bit of experience with this system and game-style. I'm willing to bet he is villager for now, but there is always the chance that the Inquisitor chose him for converting. He definitely didn't start off as the Inquisitor in my opinion.

(Loved those Tineye messages btw, respect)

Yitzi2 - Garshin

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Great first impression  @Yitzi2. I don't get an Elim read from you right now, but that could change  

Metacognition

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@Metacognition Could have been a valuable asset. Too bad inactive. Neutral read. Hasn't come online for a bit. Come and help us out 

Silverblade5 - Ryth

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@Silverblade5 Suspiciously inactive, has posted on other areas of the Shard (yesterday). Worth looking at should he become active again.

Arraenae - Rhea

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@Arraenae, A little erratic at the start but I would place that on your Insomnia (Know how that feels heh) Quickly falls into a rythm as the game. Some turns spent mainly doing RP than analysis and contributing, but I've done that as well, so I'm willing to overlook it. Villager read.

TheMightyLopen - Sidon

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@TheMightyLopen Been consistent with his posting, inputting where he can, rather than analysing, something I can understand. Grows active last cycle and places suspicions out there. Strong Village read.

little wilson - Willie Klara

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@little wilson, wilson, wilson. Another massive threat/ally here. Probably the person who understands the rules the best after Meta. Strong start, lots of activity, analysis and brainstorming. Slowly started lessening activity (probably for the best:P). Villager read on her as well, though again, the Inquisitor may have converted her, or will plan to. She definitely didn't start off as the Inquisitor.

Iamspartacus - Astrid the Bold

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@IamspartacusSadly hasn't posted anything  

Ornstein - Winkleton

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@Ornstein I have no clue who this is, I don't know anything about them or anything so I reserve my judgement for anything he/she posts after this. Hasn't posted much of anything. Nothing longer than 2 lines. Newbie so one of the things to be expected.

Araris Valerian - Wol

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@Araris Valerian Hasn't been active since last Thursday. Hopefully will pick up soon, so I can get a read on him  

OmeGaster - Rieyun

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@OmeGaster Also hasn't been active since last Thurday...

Kipper - Elenion

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@Kipper Fairly active, has contributed a little. Don't see why an Elim would choose to convert him however, and I doubt he started off as Inquisitor.

Yes, good point. Should anyone do anything like this then let us be suspicious of them!

Bugsy - Jelwynd

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@Bugsy6912 I've seen you active on the discord  Come and join us and stop lurking! "Eh" read.

 

Figberts - Quond

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@Figberts Has been fairly active, a little 50/50 on the read, but I'm willing to bet he's a villager.

Mark IV - The Follower

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@Mark IV Welcome back  Glad to see you active and about, helping out and contributing. (Gods I'm tired now...)

Village read. Sure. WHy not?

Manukos - Reval

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@Manukos Not inactive, but not active either. Post more bro! We want to hear what you have to say. Neutral read.

Aonar Faileas - Vana Izenry

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@Aonar Faileas Is starting to be active again, keep it up yeah? I will analyse what you said just then after this heh. From what I *have* seen, I have a villager read.

Stay active! We want to hear what you have to say  

Ecthelion - Amnar

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(AH GODS FINALLY). @Ecthelion III Let's see. Refuses to ship with me. Lynch him bois.

jk

Was active at the start sort of, but went inactive. Might pick up again soon tho right?  

*blinks blearily.

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Conversion and a snap. *sigh, May the odds be ever in our favour...XD, it's a little status quo right now...

Ha. Highlighted it cos of those spaces in front of the commas that were triggering me XD.

Here's what I got.

Ofralllilluminationrwhichnhumanrreason cansgive,snoneaisrcomparablelto therdiscoverylof whatrwenare,roursroles,sour loyalties,awhatrfeatslofrtrickerynwe arercapablesof,sandawhatrwe willldorinnorderrtosdrive thesspikedaout

hmm.

11 "r"s

5 "l"s

4 "n"s

3 "a"s . First Thing I notice is that they seem to get smaller downwards heh XD. 5+4=9, +3=12. Someone check if I counted that stuff right.
I'm slightly delirious so someone check over this and see if I made any mistakes, and perhaps work something out using what I found heh.

Storms I'm too tired now, I will analyse this turn's posts and do some RP in the morning perhaps. Good night.

While I find your detailed analysis very impressive, I disagree with your assessment of Arinian. You say he might have been working in conjunction with "his elim buddies", but with the way this game was structured he wouldn't have had any fellow Elims until he (or whoever the inquisitor is) just converted one. I hadn't originally thought the same of Drake, but you make a rather compelling argument. He's moved to the top of my suspicions now.

9 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Y'know, if you respond so fast, I can't just leave my vote on you.  Aonar, sounds good.

Bugsy is next on the list(a very real list that exists). Any suspicions?

Just putting this out there, but the fact that someone Snapped means it's fairly likely the converted player was a Misting, correct? I mean, it's possible that it was just a random Snapping, but it's a higher chance that it was caused by the conversion, I think. Does this mean the player who Snapped should tell someone what role they got so we can try and figure out who lost their role? I'm not sure how many players have roleclaimed yet, but we might have gotten lucky and can figure it out by simply asking those with that specific role to prove they still have it, if that's possible.

Edit: Praise the Ja!

A couple nights ago, I reread the entire thread and looked for any suspicions. The biggest one was Drought, who is clearly not an elim. That was based on a gut read. I'm not too confident in the rest of my gut reads as a result, all of which were significantly weaker than the one on Drought. I'm going to place a vote on Drake for now because DAs analysis regarding him seems solid.

Also, can we see your 'very real list' of suspicions? Having a secret list of suspicions composed entirely of gut reads has the potential to be an excellent elim tool, because the person could justify any vote by saying the suspect is "next on the list"

[Jondesu he/him]

13 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said:

While I find your detailed analysis very impressive, I disagree with your assessment of Arinian. You say he might have been working in conjunction with "his elim buddies", but with the way this game was structured he wouldn't have had any fellow Elims until he (or whoever the inquisitor is) just converted one. I hadn't originally thought the same of Drake, but you make a rather compelling argument. He's moved to the top of my suspicions now.

@Darkness Ascendant too, I have to say, Bugsy is right about Arinian not having Elim buddies to place and remove votes on, though I don't think it clears him.  Drake, however, I don't think that casts much suspicion on him.  I'm fairly inconsistent sometimes too, but it really does derive from either not having a good plan or changing my plans as I learn more.  The Inquisitor started with an advantage, and I doubt they've changed plans much, nor did that post of Drake's read particularly Elim-y to me.

I don't think it's particularly likely that Meta put in an order ahead of time and is intentionally staying off the boards to avoid suspicion now, but it's possible.  I want to let him come back before I would place a vote on him, though, since I totally get RL issues interfering if that's the case.

DA, you're reading fairly neutral to me, and while those big analysis posts sometimes set off my suspicions, that one felt fairly genuine.  Bugsy, you're reading kinda Elim to me, though, with that talk of placing the vote on Drake simply because of DA's analysis, but not stating any of your other reads except Drought.  Talking about someone else having a list of suspicions but not sharing them, but then mostly doing the same, strikes me as very odd.

[Herowannabe he/him]

@randuir Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the conversion count as an action, meaning that the Inquisitor can't convert and kill in the same night? If so, then a Coinshot must have killed Dalinar. 

@Darkness Ascendant nice analysis, but technically the way you've colored it indicates that you're trying to vote for several different people at the same time. You should go edit it and pick a different color to indicate your suspicions. 

Thats all I have time to post right now  

 

[DeTess she/her]

6 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

@randuir Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the conversion count as an action, meaning that the Inquisitor can't convert and kill in the same night? If so, then a Coinshot must have killed Dalinar. 

Actually, the conversion is separate from a standard action. Statement from Orlok, on page 7 of the combined LG32 thread:

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the Inquisitor has one standard action, but may additionally convert if a conversion is possible. 

The reason I decided it was probably the elim that killed Dalinar was that I can't find a single moderately good reason for a coinshot to hit Dalinar, while the Inquisitor could at least have decided to attack him because it would confuse us, and could maybe throw suspicion on Drake.

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[little wilson she/her]

1 hour ago, Jondesu said:

Drake, however, I don't think that casts much suspicion on him.  I'm fairly inconsistent sometimes too, but it really does derive from either not having a good plan or changing my plans as I learn more.  The Inquisitor started with an advantage, and I doubt they've changed plans much, nor did that post of Drake's read particularly Elim-y to me.

I didn't read that as DA saying inconsistency is suspicious. I read that as him saying inconsistency from a player who was specifically saying we should look for inconsistency and play style changes as causes for suspicion was suspicious. And honestly, I think DA is onto something here.

I got it in my head that Drake was the Rioter so clearly couldn't be the Inquisitor, and never adjusted that alignment assumption back to neutral when he so vehemently denied bring the Rioter (and now I think he was telling the truth). So this makes me wonder about the real motivations for why he didn't vote. He never placed a single vote during the day, but I doubt his opinions about the necessity of a lynch suddenly appeared in the last few hours. Now I'm wondering if his lack of a vote was because he didn't want to put himself out there too much. He wanted a lynch but he didn't actually want to get involved. He wanted everyone else to do it for him. Which is very, very eliminator-y.

I initially trusted his very self-assured comments about his alignment and lynch him to find out, and how maybe another mislynch will finally teach people about him. But considering that most of these comments weren't in relation to his alignment but his role, I'm fairly wary now. See, I can see why a villager would defend themselves from being accused of being a Misting publicly: you don't want the Inquisitor to kill you to make a convert. But that's not at all the impression that I get from Drake's defense. He seemed like he was defending himself more from an incorrect accusation, and in my experience, there's not many things that irritate an eliminator more than them accruing suspicion or attracting attention for the wrong reasons.

And while the Dalinar kill could've been to place more suspicion on Drake, it could also have been to protect Drake from those same accusations, because he's exactly what Dalinar was saying. While it's a risky move to kill to protect yourself from your biggest accuser, it's still a totally valid one. And given the red flags with him, I think that's what happened. Drake.

[Jondesu he/him]

34 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

@randuir Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the conversion count as an action, meaning that the Inquisitor can't convert and kill in the same night? If so, then a Coinshot must have killed Dalinar. 

I can't find it in the rules, but I was pretty sure we had confirmation that the Inquisitor got one action plus the conversion.  If I'm wrong that'll be good, but I'm reasonably certain someone said that, possibly Orlok. @OrlokTsubodai, could you confirm if the conversion counts as the Inquisitor's one action?

Wilson, I do understand the difference between what Drake said and was doing, but I still don't really feel like that's what he was saying.  I think he was suggesting we look for inconsistency from one round to another.  Perhaps I misunderstood him, but if that is what he meant, then it doesn't seem to cast doubt on him in the same way.  You do have some additional and very good points, and he's certainly suspicious for those reasons, but I don't think the particular "inconsistent" statement that DA referenced makes him suspicious.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

@Jondesu, the conversion is a bonus action.

[Bugsy he/him]

2 hours ago, Jondesu said:

 Bugsy, you're reading kinda Elim to me, though, with that talk of placing the vote on Drake simply because of DA's analysis, but not stating any of your other reads except Drought.  Talking about someone else having a list of suspicions but not sharing them, but then mostly doing the same, strikes me as very odd.

I fail to see how my actions are similar. Lopen prejustified a list of suspicions saying they were all gut reads, and has shown repeated willingness to vote based on this hidden list that none of us get to see. I, meanwhile, have said that I no longer trust my gut reads, which formed the entirety of my suspicions, and as a result I have none beyond those backed by arguments like the one DA presented. I don't have a list of suspicions I'm preemptively justifying and refusing to share; rather, I've essentially said that as it stands, any suspicion I have must be backed by evidence. As far as I see, that's close to the opposite.

[Arraenae]

12 hours ago, Figberts said:

Quond stood up, and saw a young woman (@Arraenae)  in the corner. He walked over, cautious. "I got no idea why you've been kidnapped, but it's for something rusting evil, that's for sure. That damnation Teikel. I'm Quond. In better times, a house name would follow, but alass, one does not. Who are you? Want to help kill that Rusting Teikel?"

5 hours ago, Yitzi2 said:

"If you figure out how to reach the bastard, I'm in.  Though, there's bigger and worse things coming soon..."

Rhea stared at the two men with wide eyes. Why would they want to kill Lord Tekiel? What had he ever done to them? By the Lord Ruler, this was exactly the type of situation Uncle Dayton hard warned about! She needed to get away from these nutcases as fast as possible.

But maybe... maybe she could get out and warn Lord Tekiel first. That might earn House Aurette his gratitude and maybe has business.

"My name's Rhea. Rhea Aurette. Why would you want to kill Lord Tekiel?"

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Quinn sat with his head buried in his arms on the table in the grand hall. Had his face been visible, bags would have been visible under his eyes and hints of stubble on his chin from a lack of care.

The deaths have not been kind on his sanity.

Oh, I hope he does pull through this. I would hate to lose him.

So you realize that Quinn is not a terrible human being?

I never said that.

Quinn stirred and hesitantly raised his head. With squinted eyes, he glanced around. Through his groggy gaze, he spotted someone familiar. He rubbed his face, smoothed his hair, and straightened. He recognized her now. It was the woman, awake now. A new mission invigorated him, and he stood up.

Two other men stood by her, speaking. They seemed determined. Quinn joined the group and graciously extended a hand to her, and half-bowed. A crick in his neck prohibited him from bending further.

"I apologize for our previous encounter, it was quite rash of me to act in such a way to a lady such as your self. I see you have made some acquaintances; my name is Quinn, at your service."

At least he's doing something.

Good job, Quinn.

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 @Arraenae, @Yitzi2, @Figberts

[Yitzi2]

36 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

Rhea stared at the two men with wide eyes. Why would they want to kill Lord Tekiel? What had he ever done to them? By the Lord Ruler, this was exactly the type of situation Uncle Dayton hard warned about! She needed to get away from these nutcases as fast as possible.

But maybe... maybe she could get out and warn Lord Tekiel first. That might earn House Aurette his gratitude and maybe has business.

"My name's Rhea. Rhea Aurette. Why would you want to kill Lord Tekiel?"

"Have you seen the situation we're in?  If he's responsible for it..."

[Herowannabe he/him]

3 hours ago, little wilson said:

I didn't read that as DA saying inconsistency is suspicious. I read that as him saying inconsistency from a player who was specifically saying we should look for inconsistency and play style changes as causes for suspicion was suspicious. And honestly, I think DA is onto something here.

I got it in my head that Drake was the Rioter so clearly couldn't be the Inquisitor, and never adjusted that alignment assumption back to neutral when he so vehemently denied bring the Rioter (and now I think he was telling the truth). So this makes me wonder about the real motivations for why he didn't vote. He never placed a single vote during the day, but I doubt his opinions about the necessity of a lynch suddenly appeared in the last few hours. Now I'm wondering if his lack of a vote was because he didn't want to put himself out there too much. He wanted a lynch but he didn't actually want to get involved. He wanted everyone else to do it for him. Which is very, very eliminator-y.

I initially trusted his very self-assured comments about his alignment and lynch him to find out, and how maybe another mislynch will finally teach people about him. But considering that most of these comments weren't in relation to his alignment but his role, I'm fairly wary now. See, I can see why a villager would defend themselves from being accused of being a Misting publicly: you don't want the Inquisitor to kill you to make a convert. But that's not at all the impression that I get from Drake's defense. He seemed like he was defending himself more from an incorrect accusation, and in my experience, there's not many things that irritate an eliminator more than them accruing suspicion or attracting attention for the wrong reasons.

And while the Dalinar kill could've been to place more suspicion on Drake, it could also have been to protect Drake from those same accusations, because he's exactly what Dalinar was saying. While it's a risky move to kill to protect yourself from your biggest accuser, it's still a totally valid one. And given the red flags with him, I think that's what happened. Drake.

Laid out like this you make a very convincing argument. You have me persuaded. Drake

[DeTess she/her]

Okay, so if I haven't miscounted my vote tally again, the people up for execution currently are bugsy and Drake. Let's start with Bugsy, as he hasn't posted as much.

Bugsy's posts in the first two cycle's haven't been particularly informing with regards to his alignment. His posts have been mostly RP, and though the primer on High Imperial was greatly appreciated, it doesn't say much about alignment.

Things get a bit more interesting in this cycle. Bugsy's vote on Drake is the first time he's voted this game if I'm not mistaken. His reasoning seems to boil down to 'I don't trust my gut any longer, let's go with DA's explanation.' Though I don't think it's a bad idea to listen to other player's suspicion's, I think it's also important to do your own research. still, this isn't exactly elimmy action. His defense against Jondesu also makes sense, though looking at Lopen's post in which he mentions the list, I can'help but wonder if his reference to the list might have been Sarcastic.

So, overal, I've got a Neutral read on bugsy.

Now, on to Drake (TL;Dr, I agree with Wilson, I just need far more words to say so). In C1, he's stated twice that we should look out for changes in play-style, and three times that we should make sure to lynch someone. It has been stated before by many others but this is quite odd.

N1, Drake starts by defending himself against Elenion's accusation of being a Rioter. I do feel his defense here is on the strong side, as his reaction seems more appropriate to being accused of being an elim. This might represent annoyance about getting his role outed this early, but it again strikes me as odd. There's also this, from the same post (page 11 of the combined thread):

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This makes little sense to me. I'm kind of wondering if you are just trying to scapegoat me here...

I realize I might be paranoid against you because my bad gut reads on you last LG were proven disastrously right, and because of that I'll try to keep myself from voting on you.

 

Or, actually... Changin' my mind. If you want me to prove I'm not a rioter, what better way is there but to cast a vote?

I realize that the inquisitor may choose to soothe me now, just to sow chaos. But he can't do that every cycle, can he? Or at least, if he does, I'll be wasting his actions.

So, guess I'll vote on you, Ecthelion. Unless a better target presents itself..

This 'changing my mind' dialogue kinda struck me as odd. It seems to try and convey a reluctance to vote, but in the end, a reluctant vote will get someone lynched just as easily as a confident one. Drake hasn't really struck me as someone that would try and manipulate the tone of his post intentionally to make him appear innocent in case of a village lynch, however. Of course, a vote cast during the night doesn't contribute much to any lynch, but still.

A later post by Drake that night(still page 11) is once again in stark contrast to his earlier vehement defense.

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I mean its not like the vote manip actually changed anything.

Probably just rioters and soothers announcing their presence. The rioter may have wanted there to be a decisive lynch on Sart? I'm not really sure there was much reason to lynch Sart in particular, but I can support making sure there is a D1 lynch.

But *shrugs*

We'll have a clearer picture of what is happening vote manipulation wise after more cycles.

If Drake is this convinced that the vote manipulation was done by villagers, why did he feel the need to defend himself like that against being 'accused' of being one of them?

Okay, on to the next day cycle. Drake suggests that Ecthelion might actually be the rioter, then votes on him anyway (despite there not having been any conversions, meaning that rioter!ecth literally can't be an elim). More interesting is this part from his post(page 13):

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But, anyway, Aman is dead. Sad. And I suppose that means the inquisitor has access to a conversion, which is... Unfortunate. Well, maybe it makes a more fun game, there being not just 1 elim. But it also makes the eliminators more powerful, hence it being unfortunate.

The fact that conversions become possible is indeed a consequence of people dying. Pushing for a lynch would have made a conversion possible just as easy (though we've been somehwat lucky so far and hit two roleless, limiting the options for conversion). SO I find it again odd that Drake seems to think allowing conversions is 'unfortunate', while he was pushing for a D1 lynch, which could have potentially allowed a N1 conversion.

Okay, I'm spending too much space and time on this, especially since I'm at least in part reiterating and rediscovering what some others, like Wilson, have posted before. I'll speed up from here, and only cover stuff that really jumps out at me and hasn't been said before.

...Which means I'm done, actually. there's the whole contradiction of Drake saying we should look for changes in playstyle, and then later saying that any changes in his style are not suspicious. There is the thing with Dalinar's death, but I always assume IKYK level 1 on cases like that, and I'm probably not the only one, so this is one of the cases where a level 2 is not unreasonable.

So In summary. Do I think there's definite proof that Drake is evil? No, I don't, but he's done more odd, elimmy things than Herowannabe, so my current read on Drake is somewhat elim (which is more than slightly elim, but less than medium-rare elim).

Edit: since I mentioned my vote tally, I might as well include it.

Day 3 vote tally

Aonar(0): Lopen

Bugsy(2): Lopen, Jodnesu

Hemalurgic Headshot(1): Figberts

Drake(4): Bugsy, Wilson, Hero, Randuir

Edited April 2, 2017 by randuir

[Arraenae]

I feel that Drake's behavior during N1 was pretty elim-like.

Also, N1, when defending himself, he said "Or actually...changin' my mind. If you want me to prove I'm not a rioter, what better way is there but to cast a vote?" Casting a vote that didn't disappear wouldn't prove very much. All it would have shown was that Drake's vote didn't disappear this cycle. As part of a defense, it's kind of odd.

"Ah, apology accepted, Quinn," Rhea said. "Just make sure you don't do it again." She turned to face Garshin." Why would a powerful Lord want to kidnap us? My House is really small. We make custom clothing. We haven't even been a minor power anywhere since six or seven years ago."

Edited April 2, 2017 by Arraenae
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