Sanderson Elimination: Questions & Answers and Game Meta Discussion

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

11 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

@Drake Marshall I would say I'm good at it because I messed up. I wasn't exactly respectful in LG34 and I decided since then to be better. So, thanks

I remember LG34  The reason I congratulate you is that you've done admirably since then.

1 hour ago, Alvron said:

I personally disagree with this.  Incentivizing one type of play over another is not something that should be done by anyone.  Yes there is a sad lack of RP in games but catering a game or giving rewards that affect gameplay for one type of playing over another can and does lead to unbalanced games.  I'm not saying it breaks games but giving an advantage to one set of players over another is not an easy thing to balance.  It can also lead to the problems we already have, just on the opposite side.  At moment the players tend not to RP or they break from it when they are getting lynched/attention.  In a game that rewards RP, those that don't like to RP might decide not to play the game and if that happens to be the first game they look at playing, then we might lose a player that could be the next powerhouse.

Should there be more RP in games?  Yes!  Storms yes!  I love reading everyones RP.  Should players be rewarded for one type of playstyle over another?  No.  If you want to RP, great.  If you don't, then you shouldn't be punished gameplay wise for choosing not to.

The GMs job is not to decide how we play the game but rather to provide the setting and boundaries for us to play and explore within.  It is up to the players themselves as to how they play the game.

I have two ways I would like to respond to this:

1. I for one very much enjoyed LG30 and LG33. They were some of my favorite games. They might not have been perfectly balanced for all I know, and they might have targeted a specific audience, but they were still fun.

It isn't necessarily bad for a game to slightly favor one playstyle over another, so long as we have a healthy level of variety. Long games favor players with higher time commitment, and quick fixes are friendlier to players with shorter time commitment.

I agree that, if possible, it would be better to make a game that all people can enjoy. However, I believe our community is big enough to have space for a few specialty games. (that said, we could consider putting a cap on the number of specialty games we run in a year, just like we have a cap on the number of non-Sanderson games)

2. As for the LG that I am working on. Suffice to say that I intend to offer incentives for a variety of playstyles and behaviors that I wish to encourage, not only RP.

This is related to the oaths of the different orders of Knight Radiant 

And also several other powers that be on the planet of Roshar.

Edited November 16, 2017 by Drake Marshall

[manukos he/him]

so i am making a non Sanderson game 
and i am supposed to get some feedback from here , so hello ?

well it will be set in the wormverse and more specificly in the agnosia miasma , cos it fits perfectly with the mafia  game style perfectly (a black out game , minimum information given preferably ), i also had a recomendation from bugsy that i could make it an anonymus game ,(but lets leave that on the side for now , cos it would depend on if i can get permissions and it can be implemented or not without changing much)

on the subject of a blackout game  , i am unsure of how much i should disclose here , cos i have some interesting ideas that would be better left unspoiled 
but the general rules are : the Slaughterhouse nine have come to rown , kill them all to win , you are unsure if you are a parahuman or not , you may use an action to remember who you are , and if you remember your triggeryou will be unable to vote the next day (game starts at night 0 and elims cant make a kill , but the are not affected by the miasma)
 

i have a role doc , and i know that the power level of my roles is quite high but idealy everyone will have a role

 

[Kari he/him]

How is this comparable to forum mafia? Is it more difficult, or is it way more complicated?

[Elbereth she/her]

@manookla the ookla, I suggest posting in The Art Of Game Creation, if you’d like advice on your game. That’s the more appropriate place for it. 

@Ookla the Hematist, I’m not sure I understand your question. This is forum mafia insofar as its mafia played on a forum. It’s more complicated than most forum mafia, as I understand it, but it heavily depends on your baseline. If you’d like an idea, I suggest looking at rulesets for a few games and/or reading through a couple of games to get a sense for difficulty. 

[Kari he/him]

 @Elbereth Thank you for answering my horribly phrased question. I just wanted to know if the roleplaying aspect makes it more difficult. 

[Elbereth she/her]

So... roleplaying is something that some players do and others don’t, and generally isn’t related to gameplay. Sometimes, yes, when a player chooses only to RP (though that’s less common nowadays), but in general there’s RP in the write ups and players do some, but it’s separate from game discussion. 

[Kari he/him]

That clears things up.

Also, when's the next game? I keep checking the spreadsheet, but I cant find it.

[Elbereth she/her]

The next game to be posted will either be MR26, when the current Quick Fix finishes, or AG4, when the current LG is done. I expect it’ll be MR26, so come back in... perhaps a week? A week and a half? Signups should be up around then. 

[MonsterMetroid]

I'm sure it is listed somewhere but I haven't found the right post yet... how do you join a game?

[Steeldancer he/him]

There aren't sign ups at the moment, but you can watch the games if you want. There will be sign up threads for new games as current ones finish. 

[Seonid he/him]

5 minutes ago, MonsterMetroid said:

I'm sure it is listed somewhere but I haven't found the right post yet... how do you join a game?

To join a game,  just post in the signup thread of the game that you want to join.

Unfortunately,  we don't have any games open at this exact moment, but the next one should go up in the next few days. 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Anniversary Game 4's signups are scheduled to be posted on January 5th.

[Steeldancer he/him]

40 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said:

Anniversary Game 4's signups are scheduled to be posted on January 5th.

Hooray! 

[MonsterMetroid]

21 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said:

Anniversary Game 4's signups are scheduled to be posted on January 5th.

Yay!!! Now i need to set 5 alarms to remind me!!

Edited January 3, 2018 by MonsterMetroid

[Orlok Tsubodai]

26 minutes ago, MonsterMetroid said:

Yay!!! Now i need to set 5 alarms to remind me!!

I’ll be running AG4, and am quite happy to PM you to remind you of signups when they begin.

[MonsterMetroid]

On 1/3/2018 at 4:24 PM, Orlok Tsubodai said:

I’ll be running AG4, and am quite happy to PM you to remind you of signups when they begin.

Yeah if you could that would be great!

[Steeldancer he/him]

Pssst wheres those sign ups

[Herowannabe he/him]

I’m also curious in where the AG signups are...

 

But in other news, has anyone out there played Codenames? A couple weeks ago I started making an effort to get a game of Cosmere Codenames up and running in the general forums. It’s nearly gathered enough players to get going, so if anyone feels like joining come check it out.  It should require significantly less of a time investment than SE does. 

 

EDIT: (apologies if this isn’t the best place to post this. I’ve long since wished that we had a proper off-topic thread over here... )

Edited January 6, 2018 by Herowannabe

[Orlok Tsubodai]

With both the AG4 thread being locked, and the General Rules and Etiquette thread being locked, I thought it worthwhile posting something here to enable discussion on the anonymous games mechanic. I've copied in the general anonymous rules from the rules thread in order to facilitate discussion, but would be interested in players' thoughts on the topic, and on whether anyone has spotted any oversight that we've made with the rules. I've personally been looking forward to the introduction of anonymous accounts to the forum for a long while, and very much hope that they're enjoyed!

 

Anonymous Games and Accounts

Anonymous Games

Anonymous Games will be played once each quarter. In order to sign up to run an anonymous game, you must have either GMd 4 games, or have played 15 games. This restriction exists given the significant additional complexity of, and risk of conflict in, running anonymous games, ensuring that those who run them have the experience to avoid any issues.To run an anonymous game, you must be at the top of both the anonymous waitlist, and in the top five of a waitlist of another format. Anonymous Games are not a format of their own but act as a modifier to games of a differing format.

Anonymous Accounts

There are a number of rules associated with the use of an Anonymous Account. Please follow them carefully. Given the potential for abuse of Anonymous Accounts, any rule breaking using the accounts will be dealt with harshly.

1) Do not change the password of the anonymous account you are issued. The IM and the GMs will have access to all anonymous accounts for the duration of the game being played.
2) Do not use the anonymous accounts to PM any non-anonymous account, other than the accounts of the GMs or the IM. Please do not use your normal accounts to PM anonymous accounts.
3) Do not tell any other player or individual associated with SE, whether you are playing or not playing the Anonymous Game. Player identities will be revealed after the game, not on the death of their avatar. Players must not reveal their own identity after their death, until the end of the game, including in the dead/spec doc. Part of the attraction of anonymous games is keeping identities obscured, and we'd like to eliminate any chance of information becoming known that undermines the integrity of the anonymity.
4) Do not change anything cosmetic about the accounts, including their member title, username, signature, and avatar.
5) Anonymous accounts have been restricted from posting outside the Roleplaying subforum, but must not be used to post in any thread other than the thread of the game they are currently being used in.

[Steeldancer he/him]

I think this is a great idea, as long as the account names aren't stupid. 

[Straw he/him]

I wonder if people will RP in anonymous games...

[Seonid he/him]

One thing I'm excited for about these anonymous accounts is the way it opens up new and interesting mechanics, like the possibility of bodysnatching kandra where the kandra player actually takes over the new account.

For a game that wanted to leverage that sort of aspect, for which the anonymity was a sideshow rather than the main attraction, I could see making signups public and letting players talk about whether they're in the game or not

Edited January 7, 2018 by Seonid

[Herowannabe he/him]

1 hour ago, Seonid said:

One thing I'm excited for about these anonymous accounts is the way it opens up new and interesting mechanics, like the possibility of bodysnatching kandra where the kandra player actually takes over the new account.

This! I’ve wanted to try something like this since as early as LG2.

The thing I love most about the anonymous accounts is there is no prejudices based on past games or whether or not the player is new. Players who have earned a fierceom reputation and players who are playing their first game are all on the same footing. That’s really cool. 

 

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

9 hours ago, Straw said:

I wonder if people will RP in anonymous games...

I will be  

I am so excited for this.

[Alvron]

2 hours ago, Darkness_ said:

I will be  

I am so excited for this.

As Orlok said:

12 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

3) Do not tell any other player or individual associated with SE, whether you are playing or not playing the Anonymous Game. Player identities will be revealed after the game, not on the death of their avatar. Players must not reveal their own identity after their death, until the end of the game, including in the dead/spec doc. Part of the attraction of anonymous games is keeping identities obscured, and we'd like to eliminate any chance of information becoming known that undermines the integrity of the anonymity.