Long Game 26: Cognitive Dissonance

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Aman, do you perhaps have a way we can discuss in private? I would be willing to reveal my role in a one on one conversation, but I'm not going to reveal it in thread.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Also @Bugsy6912, to answer your question, PK is not [Evil] after all.

[Amanuensis he/him]

For some reason I cannot edit my old posts on this mobile device so I have to double post, but Joe, sadly I have no way to privately communicate with people. Harmony can PM the Spiked, but he's only messaging the ones he trusts or that have abilities to gather critical information, and even then he's doing it sparingly to not spend too much investiture. As TenSoon, I am naturally inclined to Preserve his identity, so having him contact you personally is out of the question.

[Silverblade5 he/him]

25 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

For some reason I cannot edit my old posts on this mobile device so I have to double post, but Joe, sadly I have no way to privately communicate with people. Harmony can PM the Spiked, but he's only messaging the ones he trusts or that have abilities to gather critical information, and even then he's doing it sparingly to not spend too much investiture. As TenSoon, I am naturally inclined to Preserve his identity, so having him contact you personally is out of the question.

Aman(I am asking Aman, not Victor, try that and my desire to keep you around will greatly decrease) can you verify that you're TenSoon? As far as I'm concerned, If you really are Kandra, you could just as easily be Bleeder.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Well as far as I know, the only way I can "verify" it is if someone scans me. If you want to come interview me again to see my Role, I'm on Scadrial

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Someone said before that one of the person who died was an Independent/ possible Child. Who was being referred to?

In case it was STINK, I can confirm he is an Independent.

@Silverblade5, What planet are you on? Taldain?

Edited September 24, 2016 by Darkness Ascendant

[Silverblade5 he/him]

23 minutes ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

Someone said before that one of the person who died was an Independent/ possible Child. Who was being referred to?

In case it was STINK, I can confirm he is an Independent.

@Silverblade5, What planet are you on? Taldain?

Yes. And I'm lonely.

[Sart he/him]

58 minutes ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

Someone said before that one of the person who died was an Independent/ possible Child. Who was being referred to?

In case it was STINK, I can confirm he is an Independent.

@Silverblade5, What planet are you on? Taldain?

That seems odd to me. It says in the rules that if an Independent completes all of their goals, it will be included in the write-up. Was STINK hoping to accomplish one of his goals in death? And wasn't he also saying that he needed to travel to every world for a goal? It seems odd he would give up his life if he wouldn't win by doing so. We need to consider the possibility that STINK was controlled, or that STINK wasn't neutral.

[Arraenae]

We also shouldn't discount the possibility that Stink was lying and/or not giving the full details of his win cons.

[Young Bard he/him]

Joe. If you're a Vessel with a kill, then I can't think of who else you'd be besides Odium.

And I am beginning to get MR12 vibes from what's going on, but I don't consider the theory that GOH needing to kill the Ghostbloods likely, although it could be possible for an individual win con. We only have the names of about 4 Ghostbloods maximum, which is far too few to credibly challenge the village in a game this big.

Question for everyone here: What's Luckat's and Joe's planets, and which do you think I should visit next cycle?

[Ecthelion III he/him]

Oh yeah, for the thread's information, I'm the only one on Taldain with Silverblade, so if I die, she killed me.

Edited September 24, 2016 by Ecthelion III

[Silverblade5 he/him]

5 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said:

Oh yeah, for the thread's information, I'm the only one on Taldain with Silverblade, so if I die, he killed me.

This is correct.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Sounds like an invitation for a global kill if GoH has one  this is a day turn anyway so people should be voting

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Time to put my cards on the table. I am a member of God's Own Hate.

God’s own Hate is not trying to kill you, not yet. Yes, our faction goal is to kill Harmony and certain other players, but we’re actively trying to keep those characters alive right now. We don’t want them dead. Not yet. We have our own personal goals that we need to accomplish before we kill them, and if they die before we accomplish them, we lose.

The same goes for you. There’s only a couple members of God’s Own Hate, and if we all die before you all finish your goals, you lose. And we’re quite willing to kill ourselves in order to rob you of the win. (Self Hatred is a third of Odium after).

There’s not a benefit to hunting us down yet,  Only one of our personal win conditions involves killing a certain member of the Children of Adonalsium, and we’re saving that one for last. We’re focusing on things like hunting down the Ghostbloods, who are actively working against everyone.
We just want to work on our semi impossible win conditions. If you agree to not Lynch me today, I will promise to not use my kill action on a Child of adonalsium for the rest of the game.

[Straw he/him]

That member is Harmony himself and I'm not about to let Joe kill him.

Edited September 24, 2016 by Straw

[Ecthelion III he/him]

Sorry Joe, but I'm not playing the outed eliminator game.

[Arraenae]

57 minutes ago, The Only Joe said:

Time to put my cards on the table. I am a member of God's Own Hate.

God’s own Hate is not trying to kill you, not yet. Yes, our faction goal is to kill Harmony and certain other players, but we’re actively trying to keep those characters alive right now. We don’t want them dead. Not yet. We have our own personal goals that we need to accomplish before we kill them, and if they die before we accomplish them, we lose.

The same goes for you. There’s only a couple members of God’s Own Hate, and if we all die before you all finish your goals, you lose. And we’re quite willing to kill ourselves in order to rob you of the win. (Self Hatred is a third of Odium after).

There’s not a benefit to hunting us down yet,  Only one of our personal win conditions involves killing a certain member of the Children of Adonalsium, and we’re saving that one for last. We’re focusing on things like hunting down the Ghostbloods, who are actively working against everyone.
We just want to work on our semi impossible win conditions. If you agree to not Lynch me today, I will promise to not use my kill action on a Child of adonalsium for the rest of the game.

Really. So what about the other GOH? Do they have a kill? You could sit back and let them slaughter us one by one in the Night, all without breaking your promise that you are not doing the killing. Joe.

[Silverblade5 he/him]

Dangerous Eliminators are dangerous. Joe

[Amanuensis he/him]

I find it a bit perculiar that no one has really defended you  but sorry Joe, not taking any chances here

[Silverblade5 he/him]

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

I find it a bit perculiar that no one has really defended you  but sorry Joe, not taking any chances here

How is that odd? By defending an outed eliminator, they make themselves suspicious.

[Dani she/her]

I've read through the previous Days and Nights and the PMs, finally. 

Okay wait so Joe is just confessing he's an Elim? I guess that's reason enough to lynch someone. Joe

[Mint11 she/her]

Sorry Joe. If what you say is true, the best thing to do is to keep the GOH faction alive but weakened. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

40 minutes ago, Silverblade5 said:

How is that odd? By defending an outed eliminator, they make themselves suspicious.

Odd that no one tried to support him earlier, before his reveal, I mean. Can someone do me a favor and see who helped him get out of the lynch yesterday? I know I was one of them, but that's because I really want to get more information first before I condemned him to death, hence why I'm pushing it now. But if there was anyone else who tried to divert attention away from him, that would be useful information

[Paranoid King he/him]

3 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Odd that no one tried to support him earlier, before his reveal, I mean. Can someone do me a favor and see who helped him get out of the lynch yesterday? I know I was one of them, but that's because I really want to get more information first before I condemned him to death, hence why I'm pushing it now. But if there was anyone else who tried to divert attention away from him, that would be useful information

Joe's defense:

Spoiler

• Me: Joe tried to kill me
• *Legend and Mint vote on joe*
• Joe: I'm trying to kill ghostbloods
• Me: so...no elim kill?
• Joe: They don't want it to be traced
• Aman: Killing all ghostbloods sounds tricky
• Joe: I can kill someone every night, so I got this
• Me: You're killing someone every night?
• Joe: I'm only killing confirmed ghostbloods
• Me: You're killing someone every night?
• Joe: Not every night (disclaimer: actually yes, every night)
• Me: you were the first one to namedrop children.
• Joe: I'm a child
• Me: what color are ghostbloods?
• Joe: Pink
• Me: *Vote retraction*
• Aman: Yep, G's are pink. Joe's off the hook.

Everything after Joe's defense related to Joe or the GoH

Spoiler

• Joe: my kill takes 3-7 investiture
• Rae: Spending that much N1 seems like a bit of a risk
• Joe: It was. I'll mourn over my wasted investiture.
• Wilson: Looks like Joe made a kill, and the GoH didn't. That means the GoH are afraid of locals finding them
• Luckat: Joe's explanation checks out. The eliminators must have a local kill, only a few global kills, or didn't want to kill anyone
• Legend: Joe's explanation+PM knowledge=*vote retraction* Also, lynching people could help GoH. Also, not lynching people could help GoH.
• Mint: convincing story, Joe. *retracted vote*
• Bridge: Joe, I'm sure I speak for all the independents when I say that I am apprehensive of death. As such, I expect that you will act with caution and refrain from inhuming those who have committed no crime other than failing to admit their allegiance with the children of adonalsium. I'm sure you'll act with more responsibility in the future. Sincerely, -BB
• Joe: I'm sure I speak for all my comrades when I say that I would no more kill you than destroy a fine stained glass window. Your contribution has brought all of us to new heights. By the way, I believe I can expect the soul stamp in the morning? Good. It has been a pleasure doing business with you. - Joe

So yeah, I couldn't find anything useful.

Edited September 25, 2016 by Paranoid King
Bridge Boy isn't a pansy

[Elithanathile he/him]

Excuse me! Your spoiler makes me sound like a pansy! I want a public retraction or I'm sueing! My "I'm an independent" was not related to Joe! It was a response to someone else's question.

Also, yeah, I'm not taking any chances. Ta, Joe!