Long Game 26: Cognitive Dissonance

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

I use this shade of purple for my out-of-character text, so technically it was Aman that was helpful, not Victor

Aah ok I redact my vote to lynch Victor and would like to lynch Aman

[Amanuensis he/him]

I don't know who this Aman guy is, but people seem to keep confusing the two of us to the point where it's becoming irksome. Maybe if I help kill him people will refer to me by my actual name.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

God your annoying

I redact my vote to lynch Aman and would like to lynch Victor

I will endeavour not to be fooled again

[Young Bard he/him]

Just now, Darkness Ascendant said:

Aah ok I redact my vote to lynch Victor and would like to lynch Aman

Really? I suppose it's Day 1, so it would almost be intriguing to see what happens with this, but in general, I don't support this kind of vote. Particularly as the game gets close, eliminators can use this kind of vote as a springboard to shift the vote away from one of their own by switching at the last minute (colloquially called a 'hammer'). Plus, tricks like this can make you appear active to the casual observer by voting and participating in the thread while really not contributing anything at all.

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

I don't know who this Aman guy is, but people seem to keep confusing the two of us to the point where it's becoming irksome. Maybe if I help kill him people will refer to me by my actual name.

*sigh* Why do I even bother...

I'm not particularly suspicious of Stink. If it comes down to Stink v. Magestar, I'll probably vote for Magestar, but I'd prefer to hear a bit more from Mage in particular before it comes to that.

In the meantime, I'll vote for Ecthelion III. While I don't agree with Straw's plan - Highlighted Characters only give potential player names, rather than confirmed ones, and therefore aren't worth the risk - but that's a far cry on saying that Straw's aiming to find out who Odium's enemies are so he can kill them. In fact, I'd say Odium would probably be just as likely to hit his allies - Autonomy or Eshonai - then he would his enemies. You seem like you're grasping for straws (pun not intended...) when you try to find reasoning to vote for him. I also find your earlier vote on Stink similarly worrying - it feels more like a bandwagon in order to discredit someone then an attempt at catching an Eliminator.

[Amanuensis he/him]

27 minutes ago, The Young Bard said:

*sigh* Why do I even bother...

Sorry I saw the opportunity for a joke and decided to roll with it.

27 minutes ago, The Young Bard said:

In the meantime, I'll vote for Ecthelion III. While I don't agree with Straw's plan - Highlighted Characters only give potential player names, rather than confirmed ones, and therefore aren't worth the risk - but that's a far cry on saying that Straw's aiming to find out who Odium's enemies are so he can kill them. In fact, I'd say Odium would probably be just as likely to hit his allies - Autonomy or Eshonai - then he would his enemies. You seem like you're grasping for straws (pun not intended...) when you try to find reasoning to vote for him. I also find your earlier vote on Stink similarly worrying - it feels more like a bandwagon in order to discredit someone then an attempt at catching an Eliminator.

Since I can't seem to find anyone going by the name Aman I might as well retract my vote on him, though I really would appreciate it if people stopped confusing us with one another. In regards to Ecthelion, I would like to hear more from him as well. I do believe you're mixing him up with someone else, however, as the only other person he's voted for is someone called Daniyah, who appears to be a Cognitive Shadow. Maybe you were thinking of Grond (Elenion) when you mentioned that vote on Odin?

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(3) STINK: The Only Joe, Elenion, Magestar, AliasSheep, 

(3) Magestar: Araris Valerian, The Only Joe, Clanky, 

(2) Ecthelion III: The Young Bard, Amanuensis, 

(1) Paranoid King: Arraenae, 

(1) Arraenae: Paranoid King, 

(1) Straw: Ecthelion III, 

(1) The Only Joe: Silverblade5,

(1) Amanuensis: Darkness Ascendant, 

Edited September 16, 2016 by Amanuensis
Edited in vote tally.

[Young Bard he/him]

12 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Since I can't seem to find anyone going by the name Aman I might as well retract my vote on him, though I really would appreciate it if people stopped confusing us with one another. In regards to Ecthelion, I would like to hear more from him as well. I do believe you're mixing him up with someone else, however, as the only other person he's voted for is someone called Daniyah, who appears to be little more than a Cognitive Shadow. Maybe you were thinking of Grond (Elenion) when you mentioned that vote on Stink?

Ah. Sorry, that's my mistake. However, my main point remains.

[STINK he/him]

Btw, who was the first person to say Child that everyone knows? For me, the first person that actually said 'Child' referring to alignment was Joe.

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, STINK said:

Btw, who was the first person to say Child that everyone knows? For me, the first person that actually said 'Child' referring to alignment was Joe.

As far as I'm aware, the first person to mention the Children was Jonly.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Amanuensis

[STINK he/him]

Elenion

I think you can guess why.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

12 hours ago, OrlokTsubodai said:

Just a heads up, given we're calling out lurking.

I started my new job on Monday, and am still getting acclimatised. I've had a 13 hour day today, and don't have the energy or remaining mental fortitude to do anything now other than say I'll catch up on the cycle tomorrow evening.

Emphasis mine

That might be difficult. >.< As much as I enjoy really active threads, they're not kind to those who get behind early. :/

Anyways, went through the thread trying to pick out anyone acting noteworthy. Here's the list of my current feelings.

Bad feelings: Wonko, Bard(first time for everything ), Wilson(not unusual, I'm often suspicious of her early for some reason), BB, Mage(odd wording about alignment), Rae(not much though, for some reason I tend to start off suspicious of her XD), Ecth(not much), Stick(also not very much).

Good feelings: Aman(as far as Victor goes, he seems a nice enough fellow I guess  Oh, but I'm staying extremely paranoid about Aman, regardless of my feelings on him up to this point.), Mark, Clanky, Joe(Paranoid of him too though), Straw, Dalinar, Darkness Ascendant.

Mixed feelings: Stink, PK(an Independent?), living legend.

I don't really have any strong feelings about anyone at this point.

As far as game mechanics go, I've got nothing. I've looked at most of the rules, but the powers part is a complete unknown to me and even with the rules I've read, I don't have any suggestions at this point. Haven't had the time or energy to think through much about the game yet.

[Amanuensis he/him]

5 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Good feelings: Aman (as far as Victor goes, he seems a nice enough fellow I guess  Oh, but I'm staying extremely paranoid about Aman, regardless of my feelings on him up to this point.), Mark, Clanky, Joe(Paranoid of him too though), Straw, Dalinar, Darkness Ascendant.

Emphasis mine.

Can confirm. Victor is a very nice fellow, assuming you're not Rayse or working alongside him.

Edited September 16, 2016 by Amanuensis

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

Emphasis mine.

Can confirm. Victor is a very nice fellow, assuming you're not Rayse or working alongside him.

Emphasis mine.

Can confirm. I am not. Last time I tried to work with Odium, he Shattered me.

[Young Bard he/him]

7 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Bad feelings: Wonko, Bard(first time for everything ), Wilson(not unusual, I'm often suspicious of her early for some reason), BB, Mage(odd wording about alignment), Rae(not much though, for some reason I tend to start off suspicious of her XD), Ecth(not much), Stick(also not very much).

I'd kind of suspected you'd grow more paranoid about me after LG24, and couldn't rely on gratuitous village reads from you anymore.  I'll just have to try harder, then...

Also, who's BB? I'm having a mind-blank.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Just now, The Young Bard said:

I'd kind of suspected you'd grow more paranoid about me after LG24, and couldn't rely on gratuitous village reads from you anymore.  I'll just have to try harder, then...

Also, who's BB? I'm having a mind-blank.

I didn't exactly have a village read on you in LG25 either, but, well, I knew you were a villager then.

Bridge Boy.

[Straw he/him]

Here is what I could decipher from my role message. Odium must kill Harmony. Khriss and Nahz are independents. Galladon is hunting Hoid. Galladon is in the Children of Adonaslium faction. Demoux, Kelsier, Frost, Endowment, and Cultivation are characters. The Children of Adonaslium must destroy the eliminator faction God's Own Hate.

[Magestar he/him]

Wow.  Just got on right now.  I did not know that the Children existed until when Joe said it earlier.  Was it in the OP?  I don't remember seeing it, and I read through it twice.  I thought this game was like LG 23, with the Spiked and the Houses.  

That's the closest thing I've seen to this game.  But the Children appear to be an Anti-Odium Faction, which needs to kill Odiumers?  That's what I'm getting from the thread and my World PM.  I'll say I'm not a child, because that's true, and I still have no confirmation that the Children actually exist, although the shear number of people saying that they do would make me think that they probably do.

I would like to explain more about my role/faction, but it's really simple and kind of hard to explain without giving things away.  Aman was pretty close.  Paranoid's PM sounds oddly like mine, which I guess is not surprising, it just means I was right about multiple factions.

Are we calling the Odiumers God's Own Hate?  Is that confirmed?

[Young Bard he/him]

3 minutes ago, Straw said:

Here is what I could decipher from my role message. Odium must kill Harmony. Khriss and Nahz are independents. Galladon is hunting Hoid. Galladon is in the Children of Adonaslium faction. Demoux, Kelsier, Frost, Endowment, and Cultivation are characters. The Children of Adonaslium must destroy the eliminator faction God's Own Hate.

Did these come from your goals or from your flavour text? Remember, this is used to represent potential characters, not confirmed ones.

4 minutes ago, Magestar said:

Are we calling the Odiumers God's Own Hate?  Is that confirmed?

God's Own Hate is confirmed as Odium's faction.

[Magestar he/him]

Ok.  Huh.  Should I use the Flavor Text? It just seems to be more work, and I don't really see the need.

Also, I don't really see a reason to lynch Stink any more, but there is still no really good alternitive.  I have no faction/goal reason to lynch people, so I mainly will try to get rid of kill roles that seem dangerous, and I will probably try to kill the Odiumers, but other than that I'll just follow the lynch.  I'm still worried about vote Manips, especially after my last LG.  Man, that was a nightmare.

So, I'll basically hop on the person with the most votes at the end of the cycle.

[Young Bard he/him]

4 minutes ago, Magestar said:

Ok.  Huh.  Should I use the Flavor Text? It just seems to be more work, and I don't really see the need.

Also, I don't really see a reason to lynch Stink any more, but there is still no really good alternitive.  I have no faction/goal reason to lynch people, so I mainly will try to get rid of kill roles that seem dangerous, and I will probably try to kill the Odiumers, but other than that I'll just follow the lynch.  I'm still worried about vote Manips, especially after my last LG.  Man, that was a nightmare.

So, I'll basically hop on the person with the most votes at the end of the cycle.

You might have to bite your own words, Mage. There's a fair chance that the person with the most votes at the end of the cycle will be you.

[STINK he/him]

Lol that's the worst thing ever.

[Young Bard he/him]

18 minutes ago, STINK said:

Lol that's the worst thing ever.

What?

EDIT: Thinking about Aman's plan, I think it would be a good idea that if someone is killed the previous night, someone from their world reveals the list from their world. That way, we get all the information that we need to trace the Eliminators while maintaining a measure of secrecy from the World Destroyer. Does anyone have any objection to that plan?

Edited September 16, 2016 by The Young Bard
Thoughts and Stuff

[STINK he/him]

Magestar saying that he's just going to bandwagon.

[Magestar he/him]

44 minutes ago, The Young Bard said:

You might have to bite your own words, Mage. There's a fair chance that the person with the most votes at the end of the cycle will be you.

Why?  I don't really see a reason to lynch me.  I'm neutral, willing to help the village, and have done nothing wrong.

And I did not say I was going to bandwagon.  I said I was going to aid the Village in whatever they decide for the end of the cycle.

But theirs not really a village, so it sounded a bit odd.

[Arraenae]

1 hour ago, The Young Bard said:

What?

EDIT: Thinking about Aman's plan, I think it would be a good idea that if someone is killed the previous night, someone from their world reveals the list from their world. That way, we get all the information that we need to trace the Eliminators while maintaining a measure of secrecy from the World Destroyer. Does anyone have any objection to that plan?

That sounds like a good idea. It narrows down who could have made the kill, and might force the eliminators to avoid killing people so they don't get caught.

[Paranoid King he/him]

11 hours ago, Arraenae said:

12 hours ago, Paranoid King said:

Pretty sure I already know the answer, but here it is: how do you know about all of these factions? Are you part of the Wayne dudes? You've forgotten at least one. 

I wish I was a Wayne Dude...

No, these were come up with at random

11 hours ago, Arraenae said:

12 hours ago, Paranoid King said:

The story in the sign up thread makes it very clear that Rayse is an eliminator equivalent. Rayse sets a trap that is intended to make people turn on each other in suspicion and kill each other for them while Rayse feigns innocence. That is a classic description of an eliminator that applies to all non-faction games here.

If there is an eliminator, or even an eliminator equivalent, there must be villagers. The story describes an eliminator setting a trap, not a faction game, not a free-for-all, or anything other than a classic game of mafia. True, there might be multiple eliminator factions, such as LG24, but that game still had a village. I am confident that we at least have a village-equivalent in this game. (Having your alignment listed in green is also a pretty big tell. I know that won't mean much to you, but it's good enough confirmation for me.)

Well, it seems like others have information that I don't. I'll admit that one faction has the win condition of killing another faction, which, to their perspective, is a villager faction. If someone refers to them as villagers, I'll know who they're talking about.

It looks like another faction is the one who set the trap, and is the one the villagers need to kill. I don't have any perspective from their view. (because who would admit being a member of that faction?) But from a few perspectives, these are the eliminators. If someone refers to eliminators, I know they're talking about the "gods own hate" faction.

However, I'm not a villager or an eliminator. So from my perspective, I don't care. Villager, eliminator, what's the difference? They're just differently-named factions. So it all depends on perspective. People in those factions think this is a standard elimination game, plus some bystanders. I, and possibly a few others, don't have a villager or eliminator-themed goal, so villagers and eliminators seem like just another faction battling it out.

As such, I'm not going to be as supportive of villager plans, because I just don't care. Nor will I be as supportive of eliminator plans (Assuming they come up with any in the thread) I have my own goals to accomplish, and revealing faction or world lists won't make a huge difference to me. Although I would caution villagers to not be too lax about revealing yourselves - The gods own hate faction will be able to single out villagers from independents/other factions, and they might want to kill the people who are killing them. Just a thought.