Long Game 22: Corenne al'Daishar

[Metacognition he/him]

15 hours ago, Gamma Fiend said:

I did answer the Fain question, here.
 

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Padan Fain would appear as a Normal Villager if Viewed by Viewers, and is the only role they'd have.

Apologies if how it was worded made it confusing in any way

Apologies, man. I must've read this as, "if that is the only role they'd have," because I even commented about how I felt you were beating around the bush about it last turn too. 

5 hours ago, Bugsy6912 said:

I wonder if Gamma is just being a troll with the tags... They seem to suggest Fain is free tonight. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Gamma is trolling, but if Fain is free tonight, I think that suggests that Sheep is likely Corrupted. We had an extended day yesterday and planning how to deal with this night turn was a huge part of it. I'm pretty sure I remember Sheep posting about it as well. So, that would mean that we know Rubiks and Sheep were the corrupted if Aonar is Fain as we expect him to be. That would be rather nice of them; to give themselves away like that. 

10 minutes ago, Mailliw73 said:

I think Lopen and Meta are likely to have been corrupted.

*Sigh*

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

And Cycle over! Locking thread and figuring out what all happened on this quiet night!

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Long Game 22, Day 6: Silent Shadows

[write-up will be added in later. Gamma has work for only a few hours today, and can get caught up on everything finally! ]

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Sheep was killed by Darkfriends! He was a Village Whitecloak
Rubik was attacked by Wolves but survived!
Somebody was Corrupted!

Day 6 will last for 48 hours and end at 4PM EST on Friday, June 24th.

[STINK he/him]

Alright so at this point I feel like anyone I vote for is gonna be the only non corrupted or DF (other than me of course). Worst bit is that Meta was probs corrupted, either last night or ages ago.

[Amanuensis he/him]

First, @Meta, I'm sorry if you think i was pushing an agenda towards you but I wasn't. I had been defending you from Mailliw for the exact thing you brought up last night, I just forgot that you were detained when I was thinking back on unaccountable actions.

Anyway, Mailliw, did you intentionally protect Rubiks to prove yourself? Or were you redirected by a Ta'veren?

My theory about the last Darkfriend being Corrupted seems to check out, given that Sheep was killed. I don't think they would have made that choice on their own. Still, with Mailliw being proven that means no one else can literally be Fain. Am I right?

 

 

Oh, and, given the fact that Sheep clearly didn't put the order in, I just want to say I told you all we should have lynched Aonar last cycle, because now we've got a third Corrupted to worry about and everyone who didn't vote for him / who voted for me is to blame

Edited June 22, 2016 by Amanuensis

[jaimeleecee she/her]

Joe and I planned together, he was to redirect Aonar to Aonar or to Rubiks again ( I wasn't sure if a redirection to himself would work I'm not sure what he ended up doing), so if he did that, than Aonar could not have corrupted Rubiks twice or himself.. I redirected Aman to Aonar to test his villagerness, and unless there is another DF you are in the clear because sheep is not Aonar.

If we both did as we planned Mail could not have been redirected.. unless there is another ta'veren.. which is unlikely since there's already been three... I didn't want to post in thread because I wanted to test Aman without him knowing, since he was pushing to not waste his extra life so hard I thought I should be sure.

 

Edited June 22, 2016 by jaimeleecee

[Amanuensis he/him]

@Gamma Fiend  if Padan was redirected to Corrupt himself or someone already Corrupted, would we be told in the write up? Also, if I don't use an action do I get a PM saying I was redirected, like "You feel the Wheel Weave the threads around you" or some flavorful nonsense like that? (I'm guessing no).

Personally, Jaime, I'm very sad you felt the need to test that on me and not Rubiks you could have saved a Whitecloaks life AND killed Padan if you did (assuming it's him and not Elodin).

[jaimeleecee she/her]

Well Bugsy had told me he was going to target Rubiks, I figured that if we could test only one of you, since Joe was focusing on Aonar, that you were the better choice because we would have known if Rubiks was when he was killed..

Edited June 23, 2016 by jaimeleecee
I wrote Aman instead of Aonar.. A names >.>

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Storm it. I protected Sheep. So, one of the Ta'veren are lying, or Lopen is one too. 

Bugsy, I'm on mobile now and can't remember. Did you post in the thread that you'd be killing Rubiks?

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, Mailliw73 said:

Storm it. I protected Sheep. So, one of the Ta'veren are lying, or Lopen is one too. 

Bugsy, I'm on mobile now and can't remember. Did you post in the thread that you'd be killing Rubiks

AMAN: Seph-forsaken quotes on mobile. We should have Stink sniff Jaime or Joe then; that way if he sees them target you (or not) we know who to kill.

 

Edited June 22, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Bugsy he/him]

Hey all. I (obviously) attacked Rubiks. Here are my current thoughts:

Current Fain possibilities:

1) Aonar/Rubiks/?/?

2) Rubiks/Maill/?/?

3) Rubiks/Joe/?/?

4) Rubix/Jamie/?/?

(These are based on the fact that Rubix was protected last cycle, this cycle, or both cycles)

And I did not say I'd be killing Rubiks in thread, @Mailliw73. You, Jaimie, and Joe were the only ones who knew for sure, but it was a pretty obvious guess, and both known redirects knew. So, doesn't really narrow it down that much

[Amanuensis he/him]

Don't mind this little rant, but I just want to say I don't get why it's so hard to understand why I didn't want us to waste my extra life. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I walk in the light. Of course I'm going to fight tooth and nail for us not to waste a turn. I feared that something just like what just happened would, that someone would fail to do their action as needed or someone who we needed to do something was actually Corrupt and would allow us to fail. Meta argued that lynching me was the better option because then there was no negative impact on the village. Is that still true now that the night is done? Padan most likely got away with Corrupting someone else, a village Whitecloak is dead and the player who is most likely to be a Darkfriend still lives. This is exactly what I was trying to prevent.

Edited June 22, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Bugsy he/him]

So, at this point, I say we lynch either Aonar or Rubiks. Right now, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rubiks because he's been preserved for some unknown reason.

Edit: Come to think of it, Rubiks could very well be a corrupt DF. They'd want to keep him alive since he's their only kill, and at this point Fain is good as useless since he's probably used all his converts.

It's late, so I have to sign off for the night. I'll check on first thing

Edited June 22, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[Metacognition he/him]

If we lose this game, it's going to be because we got complacent. I just don't see why Sheep didn't put in at least a order, let alone not detain Aonar. That was literally the only move we needed to go through and there's no way to block a detainment due to it being a Day action.

If Jamie and Maill are telling the truth, then Joe was the one who didn't do what they were supposed to and likely redirected Maill. But, since there has now been another corruption, I can't be sure that this isn't just a ploy. 

The main thing though is that this all still hinges on the idea that Aonar is Fain. So let's make sure that's the case before we go off hunting the rest. If he is Fain, then we know for sure that Rubiks is corrupted and then, either Maill or Joe (but mostly likely Joe) is another. 

Also, we're going to want to make sure that they can't gain control of the Mayor vote. They know Aonar is out in the open and this turn couldn't have gone much better for them in terms of not losing anyone. If they make a late push for the mayorship, they could get enough votes, so whomever we pick needs to be unanimous. Since I can't be corrupted, I'd suggest myself, but with so many people somehow still suspecting me, I'll go with whomever everyone else picks. The main key here is to just make sure that they don't get it. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

57 minutes ago, Metacognition said:

 

 

If we lose this game, it's going to be because we got complacent. I just don't see why Sheep didn't put in at least a order, let alone not detain Aonar. That was literally the only move we needed to go through and there's no way to block a detainment due to it being a Day action.

If Jamie and Maill are telling the truth, then Joe was the one who didn't do what they were supposed to and likely redirected Maill. But, since there has now been another corruption, I can't be sure that this isn't just a ploy. 

The main thing though is that this all still hinges on the idea that Aonar is Fain. So let's make sure that's the case before we go off hunting the rest. If he is Fain, then we know for sure that Rubiks is corrupted and then, either Maill or Joe (but mostly likely Joe) is another. 

Also, we're going to want to make sure that they can't gain control of the Mayor vote. They know Aonar is out in the open and this turn couldn't have gone much better for them in terms of not losing anyone. If they make a late push for the mayorship, they could get enough votes, so whomever we pick needs to be unanimous. Since I can't be corrupted, I'd suggest myself, but with so many people somehow still suspecting me, I'll go with whomever everyone else picks. The main key here is to just make sure that they don't get it. 

Hey now, don't lump me in with ya'll mundane villagers. I did everything I could, even made very sound arguments (at least in my opinion). Not my fault the current Mayor is more stubborn than a mule.

Personally, I trust Jaime this game about as much as I trust Mailliw, well, ever. I still stand by my conclusion that she was Corrupted on the first night (though sadly Mailliw would be my second guess). I'm more suspicious of Jaime being Corrupted than Mailliw for two reasons, though. Last turn she was very pushy about giving Aonar a chance to speak, then after he roleclaimed a chance to use his ability (frequently tried to argue against him being Detained, or at least tried to provide counterpoints, which in my opinion made no sense from a strategic standpoint) and the fact that she once again has claimed to use her ability in a way that cannot be proven (If Aonar is Padan and corrupted Jaime N1, then she would know that Rubiks is also Corrupted and thus not want to waste her redirect on him. She would say she used it on me instead, citing that she didn't trust me, and instead redirect Mailliw's healing to save Rubiks, who she knew was going to be attacked by a Wolfbrother. Meanwhile Rubiks, a Corrupted and Darkfriend, kills Sheep to make sure that he can't detain Aonar or any one of them again. Padan puts in the order to Corrupt someone just in case (since Sheep never even said that he was Detaining him) and wala. We are where we are now.

If I were Aonar / Padan I would have Corrupted Joe this turn. Having two Ta'veren on his team, along with a Darkfriend, allows him to successfully manipulate two kills every night and even a healing, if necessary. It's just the best strategic option, especially considering the Thief-Taking ability is pretty much pointless for them at this point, most of the Aiel-Blooded players have already lost their extra lives, and Dreamwalkers are useless to them if they have all the kill actions anyway. They could have taken the Wolfbrother or Wisdom themselves but then they'd be susceptible to village redirects.

My conclusion: Aonar, Jaime, Rubiks and Joe are the Corrupted, which leaves Meta, Bugsy, Stink, Lopen, Elodin, Mailliw and me the last remaining villagers (assuming Rubiks is a Darkfriend). Lynching Aonar is pointless right now unless he has a fourth Corruption, which I severely doubt. If we lynch Rubiks they should lose their Darkfriend kill (that's only if we assume he is the last Darkfriend, which is risky, even if we know for a fact that Aonar is Padan and therefore Rubiks is Corrupted. Thing is, if Joe happens to be the player that was corrupted on the first night, then that could have been a lie Hael and him made to frame Rubiks in case Hael got caught, which was bound to happen sooner rather than later). In my opinion we need to lynch one of the Ta'veren for sure, and I'm leaning towards Jaime being the originally Corrupted Ta'veren / the one who redirected Mailliw.

Also, Nikel Fain for mayor, since the current Mayor was so intent on lynching me last round, which I will likely never stop believing was the worst decision we've ever made as a collective.

 

Edited June 22, 2016 by Amanuensis

[jaimeleecee she/her]

Sorry Aman I had no reason to trust you other than your word, as you have mine, and being that this game is all words I can't help but be extra cautious..

Bugsy I'm pretty sure you mentioned that you were going to target Aonar if he wasn't being detained, but someone else told you to target Rubiks because we will detain Aonar, but that was during the Day cycle.. and we never got a confirmation from sheep.

Side note, I can't be sure that Joe wouldn't have done what he said he did, but I don't feel like he was lying to me.. he redirected Aonar last time, so if he was corrupted last time Aonar can't be Fain, so either someone else is and corrupted Joe to frame Aonar, or Aonar is and Joe isn't corrupted, I mean I guess that they could have worked together to corrupt Rubiks, but why would they, there are better choices.. (no offense) in terms of roles. But honestly I think we are missing something here.. if Joe did the redirect we discussed, and it worked, then Aonar could not have corrupted anyone and we are totally on the wrong track.

I think either Mail is lying and was corrupted last cycle, or there is another channeler/wisdom amongst us that's either DF or corrupt? Seems less likely to me but not impossible I guess.  If there was only 3 corruptions Fain is not as big of an issue, since there would be nothing more he can do...  If they have a wisdom though that is a huge problem and I don't want to believe that.

@STINK I would suggest sniffing Joe, or me if you're unsure about the ta'veren's.. but if we don't want to lynch Mail then sniff him to see if he was redirected (If that even shows up in a sniff.. I'm not sure).

Edited June 22, 2016 by jaimeleecee
To add, I may be slightly more inactive after today for personal stuff but I will try to stay caught up on mobile.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

 

I like the idea of Stink checking those two  

1 hour ago, Bugsy6912 said:

Hey all. I (obviously) attacked Rubiks. Here are my current thoughts:

Current Fain possibilities:

1) Aonar/Rubiks/?/?

2) Rubiks/Maill/?/?

3) Rubiks/Joe/?/?

4) Rubix/Jamie/?/?

(These are based on the fact that Rubix was protected last cycle, this cycle, or both cycles)

And I did not say I'd be killing Rubiks in thread, @Mailliw73. You, Jaimie, and Joe were the only ones who knew for sure, but it was a pretty obvious guess, and both known redirects knew. So, doesn't really narrow it down that much

Storms  I was hoping you only told one  I think we should lynch either of the Ta'veren or Rubiks. Aonar, I don't see as much a point in. J

@jaimeleecee I was definitely the one who protected him. Gamma's reported that to me. 

Mail. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

@The Only Joe Who have you redirected so far this game? Who did you redirect last night? I'm confident you're Corrupted now but it still wouldn't hurt to ask.

Also, because I love tables so much: 

Name	Role(“claim”)	Padan?
Aman	Aiel-Blooded	Proven NP by Lynch
Bugsy	Wolfbrother	Proven NP by Kills
Meta	“Dreamwalker”	Proven NP by Detainment
Lopen	“Aiel-Blooded”	Proven NP by Detainment
Elodin	Dreamwalker	Proven NP by Multiple Kill Atempts
Stink	Thief-Taker	Proven NP by Scans
Mailliw	Wisdom	Proven NP by Rubik’s Second Survival (could be Corrupted)
Jaimee	Ta’veren	Proven NP by Bugsy (could be Corrupt)
Rubiks	“Aiel-Blooded”	Proven NP by Fireball (unless healed by Wisdom)
Joe	Ta’veren	Vouched for by Aonar (could be a lie but in that case Corrupt)
Aonar	“Viewer”	Only truly unaccountable role

Top are all the proven Non-Padans, middle are players that are proven Non-Padan but based off Rubik's being healed could be Corrupt, and bottom's are still unproven. As far as I know, no one else has claimed that they were redirected by Joe other than Hael/Aonar, sooo I'm going to remain skeptical about his ability. Either way, Jaime is a for sure proven Ta'veren who also just happened to not put in an order that could be accounted for on the same night a Wisdom was redirected, who I am more inclined to trust given he actually voted for Aonar while she wanted to give him a chance.

Edited June 22, 2016 by Amanuensis
Edited table

[jaimeleecee she/her]

I told Stink to sniff me, I'm not scared of the results.

Of course I wanted to give him a chance, he claimed Viewer.. we didn't even give him a chance, but we tried to come up with a plan to prevent a corruption and prove it was him by not talking about it in thread. like I said, unless Joe lied, but I don't know that I trust that.. yes Mail voted for Aonar, but if he's not Fain then of course he would.  Even if Aonar is Fain he probably knew it wasn't going to happen so what's the harm in casting the vote to avoid suspicion.  There's also no saying that Stink isn't corrupt or Bugsy either.  If someone set Mail up then fine, like I said, I don't want to believe we've lost our wisdom. I don't want to tunnel on Mail and I'm willing to listen to more arguments before settling on a lynch target, but corrupt wisdom is a scary idea no matter how you look at it. And even if Mail did get redirected, there's no saying he wasn't corrupted this past cycle, he'd be quite the asset.

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 hour ago, jaimeleecee said:

 

 

 

 

I told Stink to sniff me, I'm not scared of the results.

Of course I wanted to give him a chance, he claimed Viewer.. we didn't even give him a chance, but we tried to come up with a plan to prevent a corruption and prove it was him by not talking about it in thread. like I said, unless Joe lied, but I don't know that I trust that.. yes Mail voted for Aonar, but if he's not Fain then of course he would.  Even if Aonar is Fain he probably knew it wasn't going to happen so what's the harm in casting the vote to avoid suspicion.  There's also no saying that Stink isn't corrupt or Bugsy either.  If someone set Mail up then fine, like I said, I don't want to believe we've lost our wisdom. I don't want to tunnel on Mail and I'm willing to listen to more arguments before settling on a lynch target, but corrupt wisdom is a scary idea no matter how you look at it. And even if Mail did get redirected, there's no saying he wasn't corrupted this past cycle, he'd be quite the asset.

Well yeah, because if we let you survive until the night turn (like you all allowed Aonar to do last turn) then you'd be free to use your redirect to cause more chaos, such as redirect the Wolfbrother to kill another one of us. Nope. I'm not going to let that happen. The only reason why I don't think you did that last night is because you wanted to try to make an argument that our Wisdom was Corrupt when he actually wasn't, hoping that we might lynch him for protecting Rubiks and thus allowing the newly Corrupted Joe and you to control all of the night kills without opposition and by next turn be able to overpower us villagers in the lynch. You're right that Bugsy could certainly be Corrupt, as well as Mailliw, but I really, really, really think its you.

 

 

We are in such a terrible position right now, it's not even funny... I saw this coming. I saw it coming a cycle away. Why didn't you guys just listen to me last turn :[

Edited June 23, 2016 by Amanuensis
Because I'm stressed by this turn of events and need to make it clear to everybody

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Why aren't we piling on Fain? Stop guessing and kill the one player we're sure of. Did anyone redirect Aonar? Sorry, very limited time.

Aonar

Edited June 23, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[jaimeleecee she/her]

@TheMightyLopenJoe told me he would redirect Aonar to Aonar I suggested kind of last minute he switch the redirect to Anoar to Rubiks again just in case the self target thing wasn't allowed, he hasn't gotten on yet to say which he did or if it was Succesful. I think people are not voting for Aonar because if Joe actually did what he said he couldn't have corrupted anyone, or because even if he is fain he has no more actions left, which means he's harmless.. For now.

Edited June 23, 2016 by jaimeleecee

[Metacognition he/him]

6 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Don't mind this little rant, but I just want to say I don't get why it's so hard to understand why I didn't want us to waste my extra life. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I walk in the light. Of course I'm going to fight tooth and nail for us not to waste a turn. I feared that something just like what just happened would, that someone would fail to do their action as needed or someone who we needed to do something was actually Corrupt and would allow us to fail. Meta argued that lynching me was the better option because then there was no negative impact on the village. Is that still true now that the night is done? Padan most likely got away with Corrupting someone else, a village Whitecloak is dead and the player who is most likely to be a Darkfriend still lives. This is exactly what I was trying to prevent.

 

5 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

which I will likely never stop believing was the worst decision we've ever made as a collective.

 

3 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

I saw this coming. I saw it coming a cycle away. Why didn't you guys just listen to me last turn :[

Okay, we get it. You were right. There, you happy now? Sorry I didn't believe you in a game filled with lies and manipulation. You can now stop laying it on so thick though, because you doing so just makes me think that it was you corrupted last night and that you're trying to guilt people into following your ideas rather than actually talk it out. 

 

I understand why you guys want to go after someone other than Aonar. It makes sense in the idea that we'd be removing a corrupted that has a useful ability. 

Here's the thing though. The Ta'veren aren't that useful right now if Bugsy doesn't put in a kill. Sure, they could move Maill's protection (if he hasn't been corrupted anyways) to make sure that the DF kill goes through, but even then we'll still have the majority over them. Right now, based on Aman's list above, it's about 7-4 (6-5 if the DF hasn't been corrupted), in our favor. If we lynch Aonar (unless someone doesn't think he's Fain?), then it's 7-3 and we don't have to guess or worry about whether or not he has another corruption. Then they kill during the night, we don't, and it's still in our favor at 6-3 (5-4 if the DF hasn't been corrupted). 

If we don't lynch Fain and he does have another corruption, then the next day, even with Bugsy holding back on killing, we'd be at 6-4 (5-5 if the DF hasn't been corrupted) even if we get a corrupted with our lynch. 

If we don't lynch Fain and he does have another corruption, AND we screw this lynch up, we're looking at 5-5 by tomorrow and we've lost. 

Obviously, this gets worse if Bugsy does attack and they're capable of redirecting, but the point is, by killing Fain/Aonar right now we weaken their numbers; something we need to do if we don't want them to get the upper hand. 

This also gives us a chance to test one of the Ta'veren tonight. I don't want to go into details here obviously and it won't absolutely confirm one over the other, but if something odd does happen, then it could tell us which one is likely the corrupted.

Unless there's something I'm missing or there's a chance that Aonar isn't Fain, then I don't see why we're refraining from taking out basically a known Eliminator. 

 

EDIT: I did come up with one way that if could be worse, but it'll be easy to check: if they corrupted Bugsy. But, even if they did, we'd still be up 5-3 at the end of the next night and we'd know that they had corrupted Bugsy if he attacks when we ask him not to. 

Edited June 23, 2016 by Metacognition

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Yeah, pretty certain we need to pile on Aonar now. Either him or Rubiks, but I'd prefer Aonar, since he's more confirmed evil, IMO.

Suspects for Corrupted - N1: Mailliw(top suspect, at least)?, N4: Joe or Rubiks(unless Joe was Corrupted on N1, but that's unlikely due to Nyali revealing her role when she did), N5: hopefully redirected to be pointless, but who knows.

Right now, I believe Meta, probably Bugsy and probably both Ta'veren are not Corrupt. That's my opinion. Meta

Edited June 23, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Can I ask why you think the kill role and the two redirects are not corrupted? Especially since I protected Rubiks. Do you think I'm corrupted?

@The Only Joe Anything to say?