Eccentric Hero Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Hoid? WoK Spoilers “And while I am your friend, please understand that our goals do not completely align. You must not trust yourself with me. If I have to watch this world crumble and burn to get what I need, I will do so. With tears, yes, but I would let it happen.” Secret History spoilers He beats up Kelsier and enjoys it. Edited April 28, 2016 by Eccentric Hero 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Denth was one of those slick bad guys you would like under different circumstances and wouldn't mind sharing a beer with. Taravangian is a good guy doing evil things for the good of all and doing the best to stop an apocalypse the best way he knows. Odium just tears **** up. Edited April 27, 2016 by WEZ313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Obliteration is cool, Amaram is interesting, I love Hrathen's arc so much (he's my favorite Elantris character), Nalizar is Snape Incarnate and Taravangian...is Taravangian. But the ultimate antagonist is unmatched. Unbeatable. Stick. Edited April 28, 2016 by WayneSpren 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Clarification: By 'Villian', do you mean a criminal or an antagonist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Elodin Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Clarification: By 'Villian', do you mean a criminal or an antagonist?Wayne does not count or all of us would have already said it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Well, you see, Vasher was an antagonist to Vivenna in the first half of Warbreaker, and Shallan is technically a criminal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunbird Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Well, you see, Vasher was an antagonist to Vivenna in the first half of Warbreaker, and Shallan is technically a criminal... Some of the best heroes of books are technically criminals. The law is not always right, especially in fictional worlds. (One of my favorite examples of a book hero who is also a criminal is Eli Monpress from Rachel Aaron's book series named after the character.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 That's true, but still, if it's an antagonist, then Vasher kind of counts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunbird Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 That's true, but still, if it's an antagonist, then Vasher kind of counts... Yeah. I wouldn't call him a true villain, though. His motives for the way he acted seemed decent to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistrunner Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 The Stick is actually a Splinter of Odium. Proof: On Brandon's website there's a deleted Stick interlude that gives no worldbuilding or plot info, obviously serving to introduce us to a character who would become important later. It was removed because he decided it was giving away too much. Odium and Stick both oppose the Knights Radiant, and I doubt either of them are able to be soulcasted into anything (we don't have confirmation for Odium not being soulcastable however- perhaps Odium is actually a Splinter of Stick?) Odium refuses to take other shards because it would corrupt his pure hatred. Stick refuses to become fire because it would corrupt his pure Stick-ness. tl;dr The stick is the greatest villain the Cosmere has even known, Odium may be his splinter, and I strongly suspect Stormlight 6-10 and possibly Space Mistborn will deal with his rise to power and the conflict against him.I... I have a splinter of Odium on a shirt... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) But... I thought that Stick is just a stick... I mean, that's what it says at least. Around 227 times in a row. Maybe it's just trying to convince itself. Edited May 1, 2016 by Varangian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamdring804 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Mine is Ausar or Galath.+1Definitely Galath. He's just awesome. Ignoring Infinity Blade, I would have to say Sadeas. Not even Kaladin saying the third oath or Shallan outing Jasnah as a surgebinder match the **** yeah!-ness of Adolin ramming a knife through his sadistic eyeball. Edited May 2, 2016 by Glamdring804 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 SPOILER Big spoilers there, friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 I... I have a splinter of Odium on a shirt... I have that shirt too. I'm wearing it right now. But... I thought that Stick is just a stick... I mean, that's what it says at least. Around 227 times in a row. Maybe it's just trying to convince itself. Stick is more than just a stick. That's obviously why he announces his own stickiness so many times--it's to trick us into not discovering his true identity as--OH I JUST PIECED SOMETHING TOGETHER-- Hoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Far and away Hrathen. Most believable "bad guy" I've ever met. I've even been in his position, where I feel I have to defer to someone else's zealotry, wondering at my own lack of passion. It was an amazing experience to discover that others might understand how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 His best villain might be that advisor guy in Warbreaker. He's just so good at twisting the truth about his motives until it's almost too late. You can't tell who's the good guy and who's the bad guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 His best villain might be that advisor guy in Warbreaker. He's just so good at twisting the truth about his motives until it's almost too late. You can't tell who's the good guy and who's the bad guy. Are you talking about Bluefinger or the Highpriest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashan’Elin Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Are you talking about Bluefinger or the Highpriest? Bluefingers, cause he's an actual villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted May 9, 2016 Report Share Posted May 9, 2016 Bluefingers, cause he's an actual villain. Yes. Him. I'm not very good with names. Especially with fictional characters. I'm lucky I can keep Kaladin separate from Kelsier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Yes. Him. I'm not very good with names. Especially with fictional characters. I'm lucky I can keep Kaladin separate from Kelsier. Well, they are both badchull-fighting, charismatic leading figure with a dark traumatic past and a heavy psychical disorder, i would understand you. Edited May 10, 2016 by Alfa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I really don't see how you can confuse the two though. Their outlooks on life couldn't be more fundamentally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaladin Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I'm surprised no one has mentioned Darkness. I mean, he means business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted May 14, 2016 Report Share Posted May 14, 2016 I'm surprised no one has mentioned Darkness. I mean, he means business. The jury is out on Darkness' status as a villain. He may just be an antihero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 He's supposed to be a crazy and twisted version of the person he used to be, before the breaking of the Oathpact, is he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookingglass Posted May 15, 2016 Report Share Posted May 15, 2016 He's supposed to be a crazy and twisted version of the person he used to be, before the breaking of the Oathpact, is he not? By this logic, all the Heralds that broke the Oathpact are villains. But I do agree that Darkness is very twisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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