Quick Fix Game 14: Corruption in the Senate

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

I now think Adamir is a better choice than Alvron. If Adamir's innocent, then we get a dead corrupt senator and Alv as the person who killed them, so barring bussing by the eliminators, it will give us a clear as well.

Phatt, I'm noticing that your opinions in this game all seem to be copied more or less directly from someone else's prior thoughts. If you're just trying to get your vote positioned to get items, just say so; there's no shame in that. Otherwise, the utter lack of original thought is beginning to worry me.

Edited March 31, 2016 by Wonko the Sane

[phattemer]

I said last turn I was voting because I wanted the boxings. Also, that seems to be phrased a bit harshly.

I don't think anyone else had mentioned that Alv would be cleared.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Phatt, I believe the quote is:

'He was my friend, faithful and just to me.

But Brutus said he was ambitious,

And Brutus is an honourable man.'

More seriously, we do need to stop with this bandwagoning. Firstly, it makes it seriously annoying for those of us in Europe - when everything changes so significantly just before rollover, but more importantly, because bandwagoning such that we have obscures information - we've lost nearly half a tuen of discussion this time around, and what will we gain from the death? Simply that lots of players want a chance at Adamir's items?

Yes, it is nice to have a chance to get more, but it's far, far more important that we get the information that will allow us to win the game.

Now, this isn't to say that I don't disagree that Adamir is suspicious, by any means - but we need to have discussions about it, not bandwagon.

[phattemer]

Yeah, I had that mixed up with which part of the speech it was.

Any reason for voting for me, or was it the second half of your post?

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Mostly because I didn't want to vote for Adamir, and I felt like doing Mark Antony's speech justice!

I'll move it again later, I hope - but with current voting patterns there doesn't seem much point...

[STINK he/him]

EU Represent! 

 

Also yeah, I feel like you're all putting way too much stake in items. 'Course, that could be because some of you are eliminators...

 

Na, more likely you're just Villagers trying to do the best you can!

[Amanuensis he/him]

I've said this at least once before but I guess I have to say it again.

 

We do not gain any items from arrests. Only boxings. Other items get confiscated by the Constables.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I'm gonna put my vote on Adamir as well. You only get Boxings from lynching people right? I didn't think you got their items.

 

Orlok, while I do agree that discussion is important, I think it's probably a good idea to have a sizable gap on whoever we're lynching. That way, there's less of a chance for voting shenanigans. So if a clear target appears, I don't mind some extra votes being placed.

 

Edit: Well, okay, that answers my question.

Edited March 31, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Apologies, Aman. It's been a long day.

Still, that means there is even less justification for bandwagons.

Phatt, Lopen I'd significantly prefer vote shenanigans to the status quo - they tell us a great deal more than a bandwagon, certainly.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

I said last turn I was voting because I wanted the boxings. Also, that seems to be phrased a bit harshly.

I don't think anyone else had mentioned that Alv would be cleared.

I'm focusing less on last turn, and more on the one paragraph justifications for your votes this turn, which both feel uncomfortably similar to things Aman and I have said. Also, both came exactly as it became clear that that person was already the prime target for the Lynch. Which is fine, Orlok's arguments notwithstanding, except that it seems as though you are trying to make it appear that you are contributing to the discussion without actually doing so. I have much bigger suspicions to pursue, so you're in the clear for now; I'm just pointing out that your behavior feels odd to me.

And yes, your point about Adamir had been made:

Aman, might I persuade you to switch your vote to Adamir? In addition to being significantly more suspicious in my eyes, I think his alignment is more valuable right now. If it turns out that he's a Villager, that will essentially clear Alvron, which would mean that we wouldn't have to lynch both of them.

As I wrote up my last post I had the same thought and agree 100%. If Adamir is a villager than Ripple is a confirmed Corrupt, which is very good information for us to have. So, Alvron. Adamir

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

The kind of vote shenanigans I'm talking about is the Corrupt spending a bunch of Boxings to get multiple players lynched, which will only be possible if the votes are close. If we have a lynch like the one last Cycle, there's no hope that they can do anything like that. I'm not saying that once someone has 2 or 3 votes on them, everyone should pile on. I'm saying if there's fairly good reasoning to suspect someone, and it's clear that they're going to be lynched, then add some extra votes as a precaution. Otherwise it's possible for 3 or 4 players to be lynched at once(if Joe's coin flips hate us).

 

I probably should have stated my reasoning for voting on Adamir a little more. I agree with the fact that Adamir's alignment will give us helpful information. That's about it. If he's a Corrupt Senator, then awesome. But if he's not, then we'll know that Alvron killed a Corrupt Senator on the first Cycle with his Dagger. That is very good evidence in his favor, especially since Dagger kills don't reveal alignment.

[Master Elodin]

Can somebody please be suspicious of me? I feel left out.

[Silverblade5 he/him]

Dropping out

[Master Elodin]

Dropping out

Ooh! Bribe me please!

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Dropping out

Noted. I'll start looking for pinch hitters.

[Hellscythe he/him]

Silver blade for governer

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Yeah, are we ever gonna decide on a Governor? Or were we gonna wait until someone was scanned by a Ledger? 

[Master Elodin]

I'm obviously evil, so you should be suspicious of me.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I'm obviously evil, so you should be suspicious of me.

 

Well nobody said they weren't suspicious of you. 

[Master Elodin]

Did they put their votes for me in white? Oh wait..

[Clanky he/him]

So not much to say at this point other than it would normally be kinda risky for Adamir to claim using a Ledger since if anyone else had actually used it they could counter claim it. However in this situation given Ripples inactivity he could have easily had the same thoughts we have in that it isn't really a logical player to use a ledger on. After all what Senator would want to risk losing a ledger on an inactive?

[phattemer]

So not much to say at this point other than it would normally be kinda risky for Adamir to claim using a Ledger since if anyone else had actually used it they could counter claim it. However in this situation given Ripples inactivity he could have easily had the same thoughts we have in that it isn't really a logical player to use a ledger on. After all what Senator would want to risk losing a ledger on an inactive?

(Emphasis mine)

Are there only one of items? I thought there could be more.

[Clanky he/him]

(Emphasis mine)

Are there only one of items? I thought there could be more.

Yeah but if someone else said "I actually just used a Ledger on Ripple" It's the player it was used on, not the item that would be the issue.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

1 Hour left. Get your orders in now.

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

Adamir because why not..

Edited April 1, 2016 by DeathClutch19