Curious Anamaximder he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Happy Read Across America Day, Sharders! May your favorite Sanderson novel be pressed in your kind hands
Citadel16 he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) should I change my name back? I like the concept of this one, but... edit: hey... hey... WHAT IS THIS AWESOMENESS? APOCOLYPSE GUARD? HOLY FLIP, THATS AWESOME!!! Edited March 2, 2016 by Deus Ex Machina
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Chapter 7 of Over the Garden Wall. Great Noodly One. 1
Quiver he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) So. I'm considering a character concept that might be the equivalent of writer suicide. Detailia below. You guys know the concept of the Coward in fiction, right? You know, that really wesley guy, trying to avoid confrontation because they don't want to get hurt, the one who everyone disdains as a coward and shames? The universes punching bag, who usually runs away, only to return at the last moment and die to redeem themselves? What if that was a woman? A lot of books focus on Strong female protagonists...and for good reason. Aside from the general awesomeness of characters like Eowyn, centuries of misogyny has kinda gotten to the point where people want to see women be allowed to be awesome instead of being damsels in distress. This is, of course, The Best Thing. I love a good female character -more than I do a good male character if I'm being honest- so I don't want to suggest otherwise by suggesting this. ...but that Coward archetype is one I've only ever seen applied to males. I'm wondering if it's possible to write a cowardly female character without it coming across as -or being accused of- misogyny... Edited March 2, 2016 by Quiver 2
The Invested Beard Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 So. I'm considering a character concept that might be the equivalent of writer suicide. Detailia below. You guys know the concept of the Coward in fiction, right? You know, that really wesley guy, trying to avoid confrontation because they don't want to get hurt, the one who everyone disdains as a coward and shames? The universes punching bag, who usually runs away, only to return at the last moment and die to redeem themselves? What if that was a woman? A lot of books focus on Strong female protagonists...and for good reason. Aside from the general awesomeness of characters like Eowyn, centuries of misogyny has kinda gotten to the point where people want to see women be allowed to be awesome instead of being damsels in distress. This is, of course, The Best Thing. I love a good female character -more than I do a good male character if I'm being honest- so I don't want to suggest otherwise by suggesting this. ...but that Coward archetype is one I've only ever seen applied to males. I'm wondering if it's possible to write a cowardly female character without it coming across as -or being accused of- misogyny... I don't see a problem with it. If you want equality in storytelling you have to have weak characters as well as strong characters and if there are no weak female characters it's pretty unrealistic. As long as you don't present it as an archetype for all females you should be good.
Quiver he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) I suppose that's part if what I'm wondering. Does a character "being female" load a characteristic with more connotations than it otherwise might. (Then again, perhaps the fact I even have to ask answers that question). Edited March 2, 2016 by Quiver
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Just finished Over the Garden Wall. So much for taking it slow so it'd last longer. 1
ThirdGen Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 So. I'm considering a character concept that might be the equivalent of writer suicide. Detailia below. You guys know the concept of the Coward in fiction, right? You know, that really wesley guy, trying to avoid confrontation because they don't want to get hurt, the one who everyone disdains as a coward and shames? The universes punching bag, who usually runs away, only to return at the last moment and die to redeem themselves? What if that was a woman? A lot of books focus on Strong female protagonists...and for good reason. Aside from the general awesomeness of characters like Eowyn, centuries of misogyny has kinda gotten to the point where people want to see women be allowed to be awesome instead of being damsels in distress. This is, of course, The Best Thing. I love a good female character -more than I do a good male character if I'm being honest- so I don't want to suggest otherwise by suggesting this. ...but that Coward archetype is one I've only ever seen applied to males. I'm wondering if it's possible to write a cowardly female character without it coming across as -or being accused of- misogyny... The only surefire way writers tend to handle this is by having the surrounding characters also be female - female bravery vs. female cowardice, so as not to give the impression of implying cowardice is female. You can try not to couch things this way, but the lingering impression will remain.
Quiver he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 The only surefire way writers tend to handle this is by having the surrounding characters also be female - female bravery vs. female cowardice, so as not to give the impression of implying cowardice is female. You can try not to couch things this way, but the lingering impression will remain. Yup. Not much to add, because...you're right. Was just a thought I had, I guess? I wouldn't think twice about a cowardly male, but there are biases and cultural stuff that makes a gender swap...uncomfortable. Just finished Over the Garden Wall. So much for taking it slow so it'd last longer. Well, judging from your reaction, I suppose that's a show to add to my List.
The Honor Spren she/her Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Just finished Over the Garden Wall. So much for taking it slow so it'd last longer. So you're looking for a new show? Have you heard of Steven Universe?
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 So you're looking for a new show? Have you heard of Steven Universe? Heard of it, but haven't seen it.
RippleGylf she/her Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Just finished Over the Garden Wall. So much for taking it slow so it'd last longer. So you're looking for a new show? Have you heard of Steven Universe? Or if you're in the mood for something BBC, Merlin?
The Invested Beard Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Or if you're in the mood for something BBC, Merlin? Ah Merlin. So hokey, yet so good. Always good for some binge watching.
The Honor Spren she/her Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Pffft, Star vs the Forces of Evil! Oh yes. That is. You need to check that one out too, Twi.
Orlion Blight he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 This video is suddenly relevant. Rainbow Dash has good tastes
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Pffft, Star vs the Forces of Evil! Really? I've seen the commercials, but I was never very impressed...is it actually good?
Orlion Blight he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Really? I've seen the commercials, but I was never very impressed...is it actually good? Yeah, it's a fun, energetic show. It'll never fill that Gravity Falls hole in your soul, but very few things will.
Kaymyth she/her Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Actual line I said in an actual conversation I just had with one of my team: "No, I am not putting 'Miniboss' in my business e-mail signature!" 5
Kobold King he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Actual line I said in an actual conversation I just had with one of my team: "No, I am not putting 'Miniboss' in my business e-mail signature!" I am unsure why you wouldn't jump at the opportunity to do this. 1
Kaymyth she/her Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 I am unsure why you wouldn't jump at the opportunity to do this. Because I work for Redacted, Inc - the sort of place that actually sends out e-mails instructing us on the proper formatting and content of the aforementioned e-mail signatures. 1
Zathoth Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Actual line I said in an actual conversation I just had with one of my team: "No, I am not putting 'Miniboss' in my business e-mail signature!" I am unsure why you wouldn't jump at the opportunity to do this. Because she is the Temple boss, minimum? Miniboss is below her. Edited March 2, 2016 by Morzathoth
Voidus Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Or if you're in the mood for something BBC, Merlin? I love that show. Such a shame that they never finished it.
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