Mid-range Game 11: Paradise Lost

[STINK he/him]

You think you got a reason in Braize to vote me? If not, I'd appreciate that vote being removed. We already know a vote manipulation role is in play, and it would be awful if you got lynched for this next Cycle. I would cry giant salty tears.

 

My dear friend Water, are you saying that I may be killed after voting for myself? Why, it nearly drives me to tears too. 

 

 

You're the one who called me petty. I had no intention of saying anything until you ticked me off.

 

I don't remember calling you petty.

 

EDIT: Unless I hid it in white text? Who would do such a thing?

Edited February 2, 2016 by IrulelikeSTINK

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I don't remember calling you petty.

Actually, he's referring to Water. And these obvious challenges are 100% ridiculous. The chance of Stink and HS not being village allies seems to be ridiculous to me. We need to take a look at the possibilities and move forward with a lynch that isn't going to be based off a false opinion that the Soris are evil. Though these poses and posturing are, simply put, for levity, they are perilous to the village if the feud continues. I'm of the opinion that we have the means to lynch someone who is an actual suspicion, not just someone you have a reason to cross. 

Honor. Hoid. Reckon. Sparta.

PK I'm willing to let you go for now. Maybe it's just you trying to fit words into your posts that make you sound off, but I'd rather not be taken for a fool. If we hold off on you, Stink, and Kyne for a day, I think we have a much better hope at catching an Eliminator and not ruin one of our best chances. Water.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Mailliw73

[Water]

You're the one who called me petty. I had no intention of saying anything until you ticked me off.

My bad, b. Shouldn't make character assessments after only seeing about 12 pages of back and forth. Will rectify my behavior.

@Mailliw73, do you actually suspect me, or are you just voting me so you can disguise it as a faulty suspicion later? What reason is there to "hold off" a day on either Stink or Kynedath?

[STINK he/him]

My bad, b. Shouldn't make character assessments after only seeing about 12 pages of back and forth. Will rectify my behavior.

 

 

#rekt

 

 

@Mailliw73, do you actually suspect me, or are you just voting me so you can disguise it as a faulty suspicion later? What reason is there to "hold off" a day on either Stink or Kynedath?

 

Because I can offer much usefulness and Kynedath has seemed to like writing long posts, which people love. 

Edited February 2, 2016 by IrulelikeSTINK

[RippleGylf she/her]

This whole back and forth between Stink and Hellscythe has been absolutely ridiculous. I hate to be critical, but seriously? Why the sudden escalation?

 

In other complaints, the entire cycle seems to be, "Oh, which of these near certain villagers are we going to kill now?" I'm keeping my vote on Stink for now, but I would really like someone who could actually be an eliminator to vote for.

[Kynedath]

It is known to everyone that PK has been proven innocent, but when is the difficult decision of making an example of the game an excuse? False light will not help the offensive on evil. Defense is most oft the cause of suspicions and an attack would spin the fight to progress the goals of the wicked. To be worthy is to understand the trustworthy and to pose as one of their opinions. Save them the trouble, and create the aggressive conversation that is needed. I accuse the insults of being an ally to the eliminators and their forces and their hordes.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                   

 

This insult party is going nowhere and I don't really like the direction that we are going in. We are turning on each other and creating infighting for the eliminators to feed off of. None of this is helping us catch them. I am not sure if voting will help diffuse the situation, but I am do know that voting for people because they insulted you won't. I don't see all that much against any of you, but I don't think that the eliminators would fight out here. I think that the eliminators would be someone who would be watching this while not trying to fix it, waiting to see what happens. I can't do see who that is, since I have to leave (by the way, this will probably be my last post this cycle) but if anyone has the time, could they look into that?

 

In other news . . . #crankystink. Also, #insultwater. One more thing, #angryhellscythe. <--- Fix all of this please. 

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

 

See, you say this, but the second I try to interrogate PK a bit so that I can fathom his thought process (in MR10, when we were both evil, I saw the inconsistencies in what he was saying and attacked it at first simply because it was too obvious for me to ignore, not only because I wanted to make him reveal being a Scholar - I actually came up with that plan after I posted my response to him) people claim I'm going too hard on him or say I'm jumping on him (I liken that wording to mugging, so definitely don't appreciate it xD), so yeah. I agree that being firm about your suspicions is better than going halfway, as it's a great means to scare people into revealing their true colors, which is also what I did to Orlok in QF12 (I hate that the best examples I can think of for this is when I'm not a villager, but oh well).

 

 

I don't really have much to go on right now, but as it stands Kynedath, Arraenae or yourself, Lopen, are the three I'd most put my money on being evil. Admittedly the foundation of said suspicion isn't the best, but at least in Kyn and Rae's case there's more to it than just the fact that all three of you have been an eliminator in one of the games where I was attacked the very first cycle. I know that you three aren't beyond killing me early when it's advantageous, so naturally I'm wary about you all when it's attempted again for the third game in a row. I suppose that could be used to argue that you three learned your lesson, but last cycle I did nothing to warrant getting protected by another player, so you might have believed it was a safe choice. This is assuming that there's no better explanation about the missing eliminator kill and I'm right about being attacked.

 

 

I think that you being attacked by the eliminators as much as you have is a testament to how effective you can be, so I'd say just ignore people for the most part.   Though as I said before, do it in the nicest way possible of accusing someone of being a murderous eliminator, since the game's just for fun.

 

I think you'd probably lose money then.   But for real, there's not much to say about that, and like you say, it's not concrete that you were the one attacked. It's possible that there's another Hidden player out there, and I would guess that there's 1 or 2 Mind Force Aviar out there as well. From the evidence we have, I'd say it is most likely you were the one attacked though, because the other players that could have been protected by Hidden or Mind Force aren't as high priority targets, imo(Kynedath, SilverDragon, Hellscythe, polking and Ripple are the other players who didn't have a vote last Cycle).

 

@Hellscythe, could you not reveal players codes? (Especially not mine. Just saying.  )

 

@Kynedath, I'm not sure how making #'s out of the troublemakers is gonna help any.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Cohesion was a strange surge; of that, Sal was certain. Because of it he never had a problem speaking to the local populace of foreign lands, so long as he stood - or in many cases for him, floated - over their land’s soil.

 

Sal smiled, remembering the first time Khriss and him met. Until him she had not met many Radiants, and of them not one was a Willshaper. He could sense her eagerness to understand in her aura, see it in the sparkle of her eyes as she berated him with questions regarding his abilities.

 

Storms, how beautiful she looked that day, the Rosharian thought fondly.

 

Khriss, beautiful? Nereim scoffed, thoughts Transported directly into Sal’s mind. Of Sal’s many unique talents, telepathy was the one that he was least fond of, mostly due to its tendency to get him in trouble. Not only did it mean his spren was always listening to and invading his thoughts, but whenever he had a fleeting thought about someone close to him it would somehow slip into their heads. After a few hard lessons, he began forcing himself to be more conscious of his consciousness.

 

Why do your thoughts always drift to Khriss? She’s little more than a sandy old snake, no more interested in you than an skyeel is in an axehound. When are you going to realize she is just using you, Saludan? Think about it. Why do you think she always sends you away on these ‘missions?’ No, don’t even thought me. Let me thought you. It’s because she doesn’t want you and will never want you like you want her to. Got it?

 

Sal lifted his glass in the air - making cheers with nothing, it seemed - and took a long swig.

 

When Nereim got jealous it was best for him to just ignore her. Considering she quite literally lived in his mind he found that that was easiest to do when sat at a bar, drinking strong ale and listening to gossip.

 

According to Khriss, Cohesion bared a remarkable resemblance to the Feruchemical power derived from Duraluminminds. Just like how the Surge allowed Sal to increase the connection that water molecules had with one another, it also allowed him to connect his spiritual identity to whatever world he inhabited currently, which somehow bypassed him needing lessons from one of the 17th Shard’s many language tutors.

 

It was through this gift that he learned of the war between the Trappers and the Traders. Not long after his arrival on First of the Sun, Sal heard rumors of a particularly traitorous group of those who established this very settlement on the Pantheon. Apparently these few decided that it was taking too long for them to assimilate the people who called these frightening isles home and, in their lust for their local source of Investiture, they began murdering those whose ideals did not align with their own.

 

After the first corpse surfaced paranoia spread throughout the community's minds like wildfire. So much that Sal was forced to retreat into his own, for fear of going crazy in wake of hearing the sheer audacity of some of their claims. Still, he knew he could not not get involved - intervening in the lives of strangers was simply what he lived for, after all - and so he turned to the words filtered through their tongues instead, hoping for a reprieve from insanity. 

 

In the case of three men, one named Pepe, another Avis, and a… Dihydrogen Monoxide? - Storms, this culture’s names are strange. - the alcohol was beginning to break down their filters, bringing out the craziest accusations he’s heard all night.

 

More and more these Trappers reminded him of stories Nazh told him of the Jeskeri Mysteries Cultists on Sel. Stories of them sacrificing innocents for their own gain and instigating confusion among the survivors. Sal couldn’t help but ponder on the likeness between the factions and wonder if this story would end with a similar disaster.

 

Not if I can help it, Sal thought as he stood, taking one last gulp before placing his glass back on the bar’s counter and approaching the three bickering men. This time good will prevail, or else my name isn’t Saludan Leiken.

 

Nereim forced a deep vibration through Sal’s senses as if to let him know she was sighing at his remark.

 

---

 

I had wanted to intervene earlier but was too focused on writing this RP, but really now. Stink, Hellscythe, Water, can we not? I am trying to take these games less seriously and not crack the whip when I see the conversation drifting, but I do think the tone of your three's posts have shifted from amusing to aggressive. So yeah.

My vote on Kynedath is going to stay. I have no other leads to pursue and personally of all the players up for the lynch he makes the most sense to me in being evil. That being said, I really would like to hear more player's opinions on what's happened so far. Personally I think it is safe to assume I was the one attacked, since no one has tried to counter claim me as the alternative would mean I'm likely a Trader and that it would be worth doing even if it puts their life at risk. So once again I want to reiterate that I am vulnerable this cycle and would love it if someone used Death Sight on me in case the eliminators try to kill me once more.

Edited February 3, 2016 by Adavantos

[Hellscythe he/him]

 

This whole back and forth between Stink and Hellscythe has been absolutely ridiculous. I hate to be critical, but seriously? Why the sudden escalation?

 

In other complaints, the entire cycle seems to be, "Oh, which of these near certain villagers are we going to kill now?" I'm keeping my vote on Stink for now, but I would really like someone who could actually be an eliminator to vote for.

I'm not mad at Stink. I didn't approve of his reasoning for voting for me, but I was being serious when I said that Kynedath would give us more information than Stink would. I didn't mean it as a complete insult to Stink(however I'd be lying if I said it wasn't meant to poke at his one liners), but a legitimate reason to choose one over the other. There wasn't really any back and forth. His remark towards me was misdirected I believe. "HS just can't deal with my greatness. Sarcasm? Check. Plenty of Ships? More than HS. Emphasizes? Check." At the time he didn't know I wasn't addressing him when I said I was highlighting actual, he probably thought I was making fun of his reasons for voting for me. Not my intention whatsoever.

 

 

 

I don't remember calling you petty.

 

EDIT: Unless I hid it in white text? Who would do such a thing?

Like Mail said, that wasn't directed at you sorry if you took it that way.

 

 

HS, good job guessing my code word! I didn't really try to hide it that much...

I suppose it's not guessing then.

 

 

@Hellscythe, could you not reveal players codes? (Especially not mine. Just saying.   )

I never intended on revealing anyone's code and don't intend on revealing anymore. However insulting me is not a great way to keep your secrets kept.

 

This all being said.... I'm less hostile now. And I believe Stink is innocent so I'll be taking my vote off. (I always believed all four [stink,kyn,pk,ada] were all innocent so I won't be putting my vote on anyone else)

 

I've got nothing to say to Ada other than the cracking remark was a little weird in that you're making it sound like you own me and I'm your slave. skaa

Edited February 3, 2016 by Hellscythe

[Amanuensis he/him]

I've got nothing to say to Ada other than the cracking remark was a little weird in that you're making it sound like you own me and I'm your slave.

 

Definitely not my Intent xD just was the first phrase that came to my mind, as it's a pretty common one used in the Corp 

Edited February 2, 2016 by Adavantos

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

We still have about 11 hours left in the Cycle. The lynch isn't set yet. I don't really have time to go through each player and what they've done right now, and so I'm not sure where I want to put my vote. The only problem I see with changing the lynch is that if we pick someone who's not going to be on again before rollover, they won't have a chance to defend themselves and the lynch probably won't be that informative.

 

I'll be back in like 3 or 4 hours. I think I'll try to put some analysis up on each player when I get back, and maybe vote on someone. Anyone want to do a vote tally? I'm not really sure how the votes stack up right now.

[Amanuensis he/him]

I'll be back in like 3 or 4 hours. I think I'll try to put some analysis up on each player when I get back, and maybe vote on someone. Anyone want to do a vote tally? I'm not really sure how the votes stack up right now.

 

Gotcha.

 

Stink (2): Water, Ripple

Kynedath (2): Adavantos, Clanky

Water (2): Stink, Mailliw

Paranoid King (1): Polking

Adavantos (1): Arraenae

[Eolhondras he/him]

There are 10 hours left in the cycle.

Quick reminder to cram those codes in however you can.

[Amanuensis he/him]

There are 10 hours left in the cycle.

Quick reminder to cram those codes in however you can.

 

That being said, I recommend everyone send the GMs quotes of the paragraphs you included your code word with it in bold so that they do not have to waste time trying to find them. Anything we can do to help them, since they're kind enough to run this game for us, right?

Edited February 3, 2016 by Adavantos

[polkinghornbd he/him]

I am going to take my vote off PK.  It seems he's been more than adequately defended by more players than can possibly be eliminators.  I have no suspicions.  If anyone wants to be direct and just vote for me, so I have motivation to make analysis, that would be great if you don't kill me.

[Arraenae]

Noon stared at the hole in the cages, utterly flabbergasted. How could someone have stolen her Aviar without her noticing? Where were they now? Who could have stolen them?

Noon took a deep breath and forced herself to think. The thief had timed everything just right, because it was almost dark now, so Noon couldn’t follow them without risking death. That demonstrated intelligence.

 

If the thief had set off the crashing sound that had sent Noon here, they couldn’t be too stealthy. Noon smiled. That meant that the thief could slip up.

 

Noon whistled a short melody to the rest of the jungle. It sounded like birdsong, but carried much further and sounded different enough for her Aviar to recognize it. Then she closed her eyes and listened.

 

Leaves rustled. Insects buzzed. Water flowed.

 

A bird shrieked and Noon jumped. Cesarlii! The sound came from towards the coast. Cesarlii shrieked again, and again, until the sound suddenly stopped.

 

Good bird, Noon thought. Now, if Sanaru or Steak responded, she’d have all the information she needed to hunt down the thief. And if they had somehow escaped, they’d fly back and be able to show Noon the way to where the thief had taken them.

 

This was going to take a while.

 

Somewhere in the distance, a bird cried out, but it was so faint that Noon couldn’t tell if it was one of her Aviar or not.

 

The sun set.

 

Noon sat in the tree and waited for her Aviar. And waited. And waited.

 

-----

 

Something nudged Noon’s shoulder. She sleepily protested and used her hand to brush it off, but her hand just met feathery resistance. Noon’s eyes flew open.

 

Steak perched on the tree, feathers unruffled and a glossy black, looking like nothing had happened. He fluffed his feathers out and started preening.

 

Noon lunged for her Aviar and hugged him in a tight embrace. Steak croaked, but didn’t try to move out of the hug.

 

“I thought you were lost forever,” Noon said. “After everything we’ve been through, I thought you were gone.” Her eyes felt watery, and she blinked to keep the tears in.

Author's note: Steak actually isn't an Aviar.

Something poked Noon’s belly and she looked down to see Steak, who was tugging a bag of treats out of Noon’s pocket. As Noon watched, he opened the bag and stuck his head inside to grab a treat. Then, he looked up at Noon. He didn’t even look ashamed.

He's a (mostly) normal worldhopping Scadrialan bird
Noon laughed. “After all you’ve been through, you deserve all the treats you can get.” She handed the bag to Steak, who promptly began devouring its contents. One Aviar recovered, two more to go.

 that NeLaar brought to see if all birds in First of the Sun have get Talents, even non-native ones.

 

As far as the whole Stink -- Kyn -- PK situation goes, I think Kyn is most likely to be suspicious. A Sori with a messenger Aviar? I don't think that would be included, because it causes too many chances to set up a mayor. However, since Aviar can be transferred, Kyn might not have started off with a messenger Aviar, and he stole one last cycle.

 

What if Stink, Kyn, and PK are all eliminators? They might be banking on the fact that Stink normally does stuff like this to make it plausible, and us thinking that no eliminator in their right mind would try doing a three-member fake Sori claim.

 

The situation is similar to two Seekers claiming that the same person is innocent, so maybe the situation should be handled the way that would normally be handled.

[Water]

Yeah, about that earlier...I'm just messin' around. If people were taking things seriously (which I'm almost positive Stink was not), that was not my intention. I do think that immediate omgus votes, unless reasoning is provided, are petty, but no insult was meant.

That said, we should definitely lynch Stink. He's hardclaimed Sori, and this attitude towards not lynching him is most likely exactly what he wants. There is no force to his reveal unless we lynch him. Plus, we'll settle once and for all whether Paranoid King is innocent. Mailliw, I'd still like to know what information you will gain from leaving Stink alive one more day.

[Hellscythe he/him]

I'm voting for Arraenae for 

"A Sori with a messenger Aviar? I don't think that would be included, because it causes too many chances to set up a mayor" 

and

"What if Stink, Kyn, and PK are all eliminators?"

[Elbereth she/her]

Arrenae, any idea what Cesarlii is supposed to do?

What if Stink, Kyn, and PK are all eliminators? They might be banking on the fact that Stink normally does stuff like this to make it plausible, and us thinking that no eliminator in their right mind would try doing a three-member fake Sori claim.

 

The situation is similar to two Seekers claiming that the same person is innocent, so maybe the situation should be handled the way that would normally be handled.

Personally, I think that would be hilarious, but my sense of humor is strange.

I don't think it's that likely, though. And it'd be risky, particularly if PK died. Three eliminators down with one death does not sound like a good plan for them.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

 

As far as the whole Stink -- Kyn -- PK situation goes, I think Kyn is most likely to be suspicious. A Sori with a messenger Aviar? I don't think that would be included, because it causes too many chances to set up a mayor. However, since Aviar can be transferred, Kyn might not have started off with a messenger Aviar, and he stole one last cycle.

 

What if Stink, Kyn, and PK are all eliminators? They might be banking on the fact that Stink normally does stuff like this to make it plausible, and us thinking that no eliminator in their right mind would try doing a three-member fake Sori claim.

 

The situation is similar to two Seekers claiming that the same person is innocent, so maybe the situation should be handled the way that would normally be handled.

 

A Sori with a messenger Aviar doesn't mean much. Unlike traditional Seekers, a Sori only knows the alignment of one other player, so just because Kyn claims to be a Sori and has a messenger Aviar doesn't mean he can be put into a mayor type of role. I can tell you that if Kyn made a PM with PK, he started with the messenger Aviar, rather than being given it or stealing it, because you can't use an Aviar that you don't have yet(Aviar transferring is last in the Order of Actions).

 

If they are all eliminators, that was a very bold, but extremely risky move. Honestly, I agree with Hellscythe that this post is suspicious(at least that's what I understood from his vote on you and quoting those sentences). You seem to be trying to cast doubt on what has already been discussed, and the majority agrees that it's most likely at least PK is a trapper, so maybe you didn't like that people were trusting a couple trappers so early? Arraenae

 

Not sure what you mean about the situation. I've never really been in that situation before, and I don't know how that would be handled. But regardless, it can't be handled like they're Seekers because they're not Seekers. They don't scan anyone. They don't pick whose alignment they want to know either, something I think Clanky said something about? I may have just misread his post, I'm not sure.

 

Edit: Yeah, I was mis-remembering his post. He said "the odds of both Sori's mentor being chosen randomly are pretty steep" but we don't know it was randomly chosen. The GM's haven't told us how they distributed the roles.

Edited February 3, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Yeah, about that earlier...I'm just messin' around. If people were taking things seriously (which I'm almost positive Stink was not), that was not my intention. I do think that immediate omgus votes, unless reasoning is provided, are petty, but no insult was meant.

That said, we should definitely lynch Stink. He's hardclaimed Sori, and this attitude towards not lynching him is most likely exactly what he wants. There is no force to his reveal unless we lynch him. Plus, we'll settle once and for all whether Paranoid King is innocent. Mailliw, I'd still like to know what information you will gain from leaving Stink alive one more day.

It's not that we'll learn more, but that I'd rather not lynch a likely innocent.

[Arraenae]

Arrenae, any idea what Cesarlii is supposed to do?

 Cesarlii's a mind shielder. And a shrieker. And he's very unhappy that he got muffled. Uh... that's it for now, so have fun with him. 

 

A Sori with a messenger Aviar doesn't mean much. Unlike traditional Seekers, a Sori only knows the alignment of one other player, so just because Kyn claims to be a Sori and has a messenger Aviar doesn't mean he can be put into a mayor type of role. I can tell you that if Kyn made a PM with PK, he started with the messenger Aviar, rather than being given it or stealing it, because you can't use an Aviar that you don't have yet(Aviar transferring is last in the Order of Actions).

 

If they are all eliminators, that was a very bold, but extremely risky move. Honestly, I agree with Hellscythe that this post is suspicious(at least that's what I understood from his vote on you and quoting those sentences). You seem to be trying to cast doubt on what has already been discussed, and the majority agrees that it's most likely at least PK is a trapper, so maybe you didn't like that people were trusting a couple trappers so early? Arraenae

 

Not sure what you mean about the situation. I've never really been in that situation before, and I don't know how that would be handled. But regardless, it can't be handled like they're Seekers because they're not Seekers. They don't scan anyone. They don't pick whose alignment they want to know either, something I think Clanky said something about? I may have just misread his post, I'm not sure.

I don't want to assume that what Stink says must be true.   He's probably the type of person to truthfully blurt out everything he knows just to troll people (SoH runner reveal in MR10), but I don't want to take that for granted, because an eliminator team with him on it could choose to capitalize on that.

 

I have bad experiences with taking what people say at face value, and my gut reaction is mostly feelings of mistrust.

 

My thoughts might be barely coherent, and they might not be what everybody thinks, but they're the best that I can come up with right now. Two Sori having the same mentor just seems so odd to me. (Then again, the GMs might be trolls.)

 

Also, retracting vote on Adavantos because he restated the black text OOG stuff in blue text.

 

Tomorrow's going to be a busy day for me, so I'm not going to be on for most of it. 

[Elbereth she/her]

 Cesarlii's a mind shielder. And a shrieker. And he's very unhappy that he got muffled. Uh... that's it for now, so have fun with him. 

Right, thanks.

Also, I'm not sure whether I'm going to be on much tomorrow. I'll try, but travel days do tend to get hectic. Night for now!

[Clanky he/him]

 

My thoughts might be barely coherent, and they might not be what everybody thinks, but they're the best that I can come up with right now. Two Sori having the same mentor just seems so odd to me. (Then again, the GMs might be trolls.)

 

 

 

 

Isn't the first Ideal of the GM order "I will do everything possible while maintaining the integrity of the game to troll the players so that they accept nothing at face value but also know that absolutely anything can and is possible."?

[Paranoid King he/him]

What if Stink, Kyn, and PK are all eliminators? They might be banking on the fact that Stink normally does stuff like this to make it plausible, and us thinking that no eliminator in their right mind would try doing a three-member fake Sori claim.

...not likely, arraenae. There would be so many ways that would go wrong.