Long Game 16: The Empty Throne Part 2: The Catacombs

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

I cannot, I had to pick a mentor by night 1 and I failed to do so.

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

Also this desperation thing? There's no evidence. I'm just gonna say Lynch me and when I'm good please kill Araris

[Araris Valerian he/him]

If two players are left, both with kill roles that they are able to use that cycle, who wins? Because I have a couple unfortunate scenarios that end that way.

 

Also, does the writeup indicate if someone gets attacked twice?

 

I'm trying to lay things out for myself to see how we should win this. Rolewise, we don't lose anything from killing Deathclutch this cycle, and I am honestly suspicious of him for not participating in the thread. However, I feel like a rookie on the eliminator team would have mentored up right away, so once again I don't really know. Especially with the body snatcher.

 

I think giving Elbereth a ray gun is a pretty good idea, because it is useless if she is an eliminator (have to waste a night action to build the gun, which would give her away), and if she isn't then it is an extra village kill, so in a 2-1 situation the villager wins for sure. I also will have a kill by next cycle.

 

I think we can soft-clear Mark since a note from him came through. Unless I am the last eliminator, or there are two left (in which case we are rusting doomed), the eliminators probably sent in a kill action last night. I used an action last night, but if I was the last eliminator then 3 kills is way better than 1.

 

I would like to hear from Mark and Twei a bit more though.

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

I didn't participate in the thread because I'm a busy college student, and I don't have much to say. However when I did participate it was always to the benefit of the Village

[Mark IV he/him]

Sorry guys. I was asleep.

Does anyone get to a point where they feel that everyone's innocent? That's what's happening to me here.

Araris, on the other hand, giving the ray gun to an eliminator would be harmful to us villagers. We would lose our own night kill ability.

DC, I'm not suspicious of Araris because

1) he randomly killed 3 people. One of whom was known as a heavy to the eliminators. So, naturally, to not be detected, he wouldn't have killed Burnt.

2) imagine 4 kills on 1 Night in favour of the eliminators. That is what would have happened ever second night if Araris were evil.

3) Lopen(?) outed a note saying that the demolitionist is evil. Why would an eliminator do that to his own teammate? You draw the conclusions to this.

EDIT: so, does this mean we don't have a Mortician? Because all of the existing players have revealed.

Araris: Demolitionist

DC: Rookie

Elby: Strongarm

Twei: Bodyguard

Mark IV: Snitch

So, who's lying? Or troll GM is a troll.

(I suspect the second part. Lying is not favourable for anyone right now)

Edited February 6, 2016 by Mark IV

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

So if youre not suspicious of Araris then who do you think it is? and the most likely scenario is that there is no mortician.

Edited February 6, 2016 by DeathClutch19

[Mark IV he/him]

That's the problem DC. I'm currently not really suspicious of anyone but Twei. Even Twei though, I don't have any reasons except for the fact that Burnt was telling me yesterday that she found Twei suspicious for defending Lopen and Kynedath, which I don't think she did. So, even Twei is out of my suspicions list.

So, I suggest you guys keep the discussion going. Don't mind my post. Whomever I agree with the most, or if it think of something, then I'll vote. Don't let me stall this lynch. It is quite crucial for us.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

So Mark, the ray gun isn't built yet. I have 2 pieces from the three people I killed, and Elbereth has the last one. If Elbereth is an eliminator, then taking the action to build the ray gun this next night would prevent her from using an eliminator kill. So there would be no benefit. If she is a villager however, then the village basically gets 2 kills during the second day cycle, and we win.

 

I'm pretty sure that Mark cannot be an eliminator. I feel that if DC was one, then he would have found a mentor. Both of those reasons could be faulty, especially if DC is lying about his role. I would suggest that Mark scan DC tonight just for potential confirmation on that. I guess, ignoring everything except for roles and so forth, there is a reason not to kill everybody. Elbereth can get a kill for next cycle, so can I. Twei has a chance of blocking the eliminator kill (which would be awesome). Mark couldn't have sent in a kill last night if Twei also got a note. And DC probably would have gotten a role.

 

I guess what I have now points towards Elbereth a bit more than anyone else. I have nothing to do all day tomorrow, so I will be checking the thread constantly and probably keeping up with my own replies.

 

Edit: Mark, I spent the entire game prepping for those 3 kills. I wasted some time in there, but I can't kill 3 people every second cycle. It is more like 1 person every second cycle. If it was 3 then I would say that we don't lynch anybody for the next two cycles and let me kill everyone. Which I could kind of do, actually. A no lynch is a possibility that could help us, but if I died then my whole plan would go down the drain, so it isn't that good of an idea really.

 

More Edit: Word of Alvron is that if two people are left with kill roles then they both die. So... I guess we could have the first tie game ever, haha.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Araris Valerian

[Elbereth she/her]

A lot of little things to say:

1. I'm obviously OOC at this point, and intend to stay so for the remainder of the game. It was just impeding my ability to talk too much, and to say what I wanted to say.

2. I'm totally fine with getting a ray gun. On the other hand, if you're suspecting me, I'd agree with us both giving components to someone else that we both trust. I'd suggest Twei, but then she couldn't send in a protect, and for Mark it's the same thing. And I don't trust DC, and you don't want a kill (and it'd impede your Demolitionist action), so there unfortunately isn't much choice.

3. The writeup question that Araris posed a while ago is a good one. Alv, does a double kill show up in the writeup? If it does, then DC or Twei (more likely DC) are the obvious Eliminators, because they're the least active.

4. I trust Twei the most of those left. Then Mark, I think, then Araris, then Deathclutch.

5. I will also be around for most of tomorrow, in all likelihood, but there is a slight possibility that I won't, and I certainly won't be on for about ten hours. I'll post again in the morning to be more specific.

6. Araris, why'd you retract from DC in the first place? That confused me a bit. I see no reason for him not to lie about his role if he is an eliminator, and he was inactive enough that it's possible he could have forgotten to put in a Rookie order even if he were an Eliminator.

7. A tie sounds really hilarious. I totally vote for that. (As has been noted, I have a strange sense of humor. Ignore me.)

8. Does anyone else have any other items of use? I have a Magnet and Copper Wire, so if anyone else has a Battery Pack we could make an Electromagnet. Might not be much use, though.

9. I also have two pieces of Duct Tape, which is really quite useful. The best thing, I think, if I make a raygun tonight, would be for me to give both of those away to whoever survives of Twei, Araris, and DC (assuming I survive), whoever looks like they're getting lynched at the end of the day. Mark can prove he made an action, with a note. The two with duct tape would target each other (Alv, would that work? If two people put Duct Tape on each other, are they both blocked?), which proves they both made actions and prevents them from making any more even if they don't use the Duct Tape. The only person unproven would be me (because I'd be making the ray gun). Then the next day, either lynch me, or lynch based on whatever happens during the night.

10. If anyone is searching (which I don't think they should be at this point), please say that you are so that we know not to count your vote. But don't search.

Wow. That was a lot of things. I'm off for the night in a bit (once I write a post for MR11), so unless anyone says anything in the next 20 minutes I won't see it for several hours. See you all in the morning!

Edited for far too much italic. Oops.

EDIT: One more thing.

Sorry guys. I was asleep.

Does anyone get to a point where they feel that everyone's innocent? That's what's happening to me here.

Araris, on the other hand, giving the ray gun to an eliminator would be harmful to us villagers. We would lose our own night kill ability.

DC, I'm not suspicious of Araris because

1) he randomly killed 3 people. One of whom was known as a heavy to the eliminators. So, naturally, to not be detected, he wouldn't have killed Burnt.

2) imagine 4 kills on 1 Night in favour of the eliminators. That is what would have happened ever second night if Araris were evil.

3) Lopen(?) outed a note saying that the demolitionist is evil. Why would an eliminator do that to his own teammate? You draw the conclusions to this.

EDIT: so, does this mean we don't have a Mortician? Because all of the existing players have revealed.

Araris: Demolitionist

DC: Rookie

Elby: Strongarm

Twei: Bodyguard

Mark IV: Snitch

So, who's lying? Or troll GM is a troll.

(I suspect the second part. Lying is not favourable for anyone right now)

Emphasis mine.

1. Araris, what he's saying is that while it wouldn't be detrimental to the villagers to give an eliminator the parts of a ray gun, it also wouldn't be a bonus for the village. So it isn't as good to give it to a Traitor, even though it doesn't help the Traitor.

2. That point doesn't apply, because that's not how Araris' role works.

3. As I mentioned earlier, Shallan was bodysnatched before we found out her role. She was likely the Mortician. (If there was one, obviously). It would explain why they were careful to Bodysnatch her.

4. Also, Mark. Have you scanned anyone else who's alive? Obviously you're blind, so it's not too much help, but it'd be nice to know if Araris, or DC have been scanned. (I've been a Demolitionist and Twei as a Bodyguard). Also, for your scan this cycle, it would be equally nice for you to scan wrongly and get an eliminator result instead, because at least then we would know what role the Eliminator has. (If I'm understanding the role correctly, which I'm not sure I do.) Not that you can control that, though.

EDIT: I put Twei's name (EDIT: I meant role. I'm a mess tonight.) in the wrong color.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Elbereth

[Alvron]

3. The writeup question that Araris posed a while ago is a good one. Alv, does a double kill show up in the writeup? If it does, then DC or Twei (more likely DC) are the obvious Eliminators, because they're the least active.

9. I also have two pieces of Duct Tape, which is really quite useful. The best thing, I think, if I make a raygun tonight, would be for me to give both of those away to whoever survives of Twei, Araris, and DC (assuming I survive), whoever looks like they're getting lynched at the end of the day. Mark can prove he made an action, with a note. The two with duct tape would target each other (Alv, would that work? If two people put Duct Tape on each other, are they both blocked?), which proves they both made actions and prevents them from making any more even if they don't use the Duct Tape. The only person unproven would be me (because I'd be making the ray gun). Then the next day, either lynch me, or lynch based on whatever happens during the night.

Unless one of the kills hits protection of some sort then no, there is no showing of double taps.

 

If two people try to duct tape each other then they both end up in a sticky mess.  Both actions happened and were blocked at same time.

[Mark IV he/him]

Elbereth, thing is half of us are bound to have Compulsive Liar. Seeing as (assuming there are 4 eliminators) 2 of the eliminators had Compulsive Liar, it's sort of a conclusion to me that Alvron would keep CL side role on the third one as well. Just for fun.

[Mark IV he/him]

A bit of an afternoon nap got me thinking. Twei you seem most suspicious right now to me. (Which is not a lot though)

It's got to do with your posting. We're 5 people here. Five! And yet, you won't post much. That counts as either fully sucked up by MR11 work, or an eliminator tactic....

Another theory. The scan I'd done on Twei and sent to Elbereth? It had said Twei was a body guard. So, I'm guessing she could have been compulsively lying. What better than a proven scan that says you're innocent, eh?

After Twei, I'm beginning to suspect Araris a bit, but that's just my gut. As long as you don't do something suspicious, I won't suspect you Araris, but you'll be in my radar.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post. But, it's been 5 hours since the last post, since I made a new post. So, I made this into a separate post.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Mark IV

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I guess the reason that I retracted from DC was that I myself would not have thought of lying about my role. I had to come back and think, hey, DC might be lying about that. It is suspicious that Twei has been contributing less than DC, who made very little public contribution this game.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Araris Valerian

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

Can we get off my back about posting in the thread? Like damnation I didn't have anything to say and when I needed to do something like clear burnt or vote for kynedath I did. Anyway through my conversations with burnt before she died she suspected Araris andd Twei the most so that is where my suspicions are at.

[Mark IV he/him]

Can we get off my back about posting in the thread? Like damnation I didn't have anything to say and when I needed to do something like clear burnt or vote for kynedath I did. Anyway through my conversations with burnt before she died she suspected Araris andd Twei the most so that is where my suspicions are at.

come on Twei, post.

Sure. *steps off back* XD

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I'm going to change my vote for now. Elbereth. DC, Burnt posted a list of her player suspicions in the thread, and I tied for the lowest on her list. While she might have changed her opinion or not been entirely honest with the thread, I am really doubtful that she would have moved from me being lowest on her list to one of the people she suspected most. I also find it a bit off that the two people she mentioned both happen to be people that are alive right now, at the end of the game.

[Mark IV he/him]

Percentages: (0-good, 100-bad)

Deathclutch: 20%

Elbereth: 27%

Araris: 40%

Stink: 50%

Mark IV: 29%

Orlok: 50%

Elkanah: 55%

Twei: 85%

These are Burnt's percentages from the last turn. We were talking in our PM.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Well then. I guess I am the second most suspicious on that list, of who is left. So DC was being honest at least. Bother, I thought I had found something solid for a bit there. Did  Burnt say anything about why she suspect Twei?

[Elbereth she/her]

Elbereth, thing is half of us are bound to have Compulsive Liar. Seeing as (assuming there are 4 eliminators) 2 of the eliminators had Compulsive Liar, it's sort of a conclusion to me that Alvron would keep CL side role on the third one as well. Just for fun.

That's true. I forgot about the Compulsive Liar part. But we do still need you to scan, to verify you've sent in an action.

A bit of an afternoon nap got me thinking. Twei you seem most suspicious right now to me. (Which is not a lot though)

It's got to do with your posting. We're 5 people here. Five! And yet, you won't post much. That counts as either fully sucked up by MR11 work, or an eliminator tactic....

Another theory. The scan I'd done on Twei and sent to Elbereth? It had said Twei was a body guard. So, I'm guessing she could have been compulsively lying. What better than a proven scan that says you're innocent, eh?

After Twei, I'm beginning to suspect Araris a bit, but that's just my gut. As long as you don't do something suspicious, I won't suspect you Araris, but you'll be in my radar.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post. But, it's been 5 hours since the last post, since I made a new post. So, I made this into a separate post.

Important question. Did Twei know she was scanned as a Bodyguard? Because I was assuming only you and I knew, and thus Twei is probably telling the truth because there's no way she could know we scanned her as a Bodyguard.

If I'm wrong about that, the game just gets that much more complicated.

My activity today will probably be sporadic for three more hours, but then I won't be on until well after turnover in all likelihood.

Things for everyone to discuss/say/do:

• everyone, please vote
• what if any scraps or items you have, so that we can put something else together if possible
• tell me if my duct tape plan is feasible

I'd like to somewhat solidify the lynch before I go, so that I give my duct tape to the correct person. I may use my power to do that, if I deem it necessary. But I will tell everyone if I do so.

EDIT: Ninja'd because apparently I didn't refresh properly.

Also, I forgot about timezones. I may actually be on before turnover, though probably not until half an hour before. That's good, at least.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Elbereth

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Well, I pretty much know Mark is good, and I think that I am going to trust the note about Twei being good. Which means that DC is more suspicious than Elbereth, because Elbereth was the one that said what the note was in the first place. So yeah, I am probably not going to change my mind about this one unless everyone disagrees with me.

[Elbereth she/her]

Well, plans have changed given that the place I was going to be was way too loud. At least 112 dB, for reference. So I'll be here until turnover, though sporadic because I'm playing games with family.

If anyone else would like to say anything, that'd be great. I've currently sent in an order to give my duct tape to Twei and Araris. I know that Twei's a Bodyguard, but I still think them using duct tape on each other is best, because then everyone is accountable for placing an order except me, and if everything goes off without a hitch we can lynch me tomorrow.

Twei, if you see this please vote, preferably on Deatclutch to solidify the lynch. If you have an alternate suspicion, that's fine too (though a tie would not be a good thing at this point).

Everyone else, I'd still like to know if there are any items or parts of note.

This is a double post because it's been 9 hours, and we really need discussion.

EDIt: Ninja'd by Araris because my internet is being odd and didn't register his post.

Edited February 7, 2016 by Elbereth

[Mark IV he/him]

So, what? Are we going to end on a no lynch? Then, we should just give the eliminators the a one up. Even that would help along with the no lynch day.

(End sarcasm)

Okay, so, to ensure a lynch, I think I'll vote for DC too. You guys give me your thoughts. If no one says anything, then I'll vote for DC.

[Elbereth she/her]

There's currently two votes on Deathclutch, mine and Araris'. A third would be appreciated, just to make sure. I haven't currently used my power, but I may use it on Twei unless everyone suddenly changes their mind. (Or she gets on and votes.)

Mark, do you have any items of note?

[Mark IV he/him]

Okay El. Seeing as Twei isn't anywhere near anyone's suspicions, DC will have to go.

Anyways, I have a battery pack and a focusing crystal. (I'm getting a feeling you're about to start a MUIOOP)

[Elbereth she/her]

Well, kind of. I mean, it's not like it's a secret.

So we could theoretically build an Electromagnet, since I have a magnet, but it's really not worth the action. The focusing crystal's only useful if we can also scrounge up another Laser Scanner and Targeting Array, which is unlikely. Ah well, we'll see.