Shaukan-son-Hasweth he/him Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Wax sister... You know, the person who all this fuss is about. Wayne being Wayne is an oddly satesfying answer.
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 It seems like another manipulation to me that venDel reacts that way. I mean aren't kandras ment to be perfect actors? I have another speculation how the book might end but I dont know if thats allowed here so I put it in spoilertags * Am I the only one who thinks that Telsin is really working with the set. * And the most important question of all: can wayne read?? I thought it was mentioned in SoS that he couldn't. Im confused. Well, he was reading the Cosmere version of Watership Down at the end of AoL, so yeah, he can read. He's also full of crap a lot of the time, so his jokes in SoS about not being able to write were probably just that: jokes. And no, you're not the only one who suspects that Telsin might not be a victim, though I'm on the fence about whether she's a willing participant. I figure it's at 50/50 - could go either way.
yurisses Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) I wonder... if that earring VenDell tried to give Wax was made of Trellium, would Wax be able to tell by just looking at it? Edited January 4, 2016 by yurisses
baby he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) I wonder... if that earring VenDell tried to give Wax was made of Trellium, would Wax be able to tell by just looking at it? Yeah, trellium (or whatever it's going to be called) was described as having red spots all over a silver color, iirc. It'd be kinda hard to miss that. Edited January 5, 2016 by Onceler
yurisses Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 It could be plated. Vin's earring was, for that matter, wasn't it?
The Ninja Yodeler he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 It is...uncharacteristically petulant of him. I get that he's angry, and he totally has a right to be angry, but he's not going to be able to deal with his anger in any sort of emotionally healthy way until he's at least given Harmony a chance to explain. I think a lot of it is his refusal to admit that there's even a possibility that not knowing who Bleeder really was could've been a good thing. He never would've been willing to hurt her if he'd known she was Lessie. He would've made mistakes. And he's still so in love with her that he can't deal with the idea that she would have killed him if he messed up badly enough. Nah. I agree with Wax. Screw Harmony. Its takes something extremely manipulative and cold to set up Wax with Lessie/Bleeder so he could accomplish his own ends. It shows his complete lack of trust in Wax. And by only giving Wax very miniscule tidbits about the cluprit, while knowing exactly who it was and how they felt and were thinking, shows that, to Harmony, the ends justify the means. Poor Sazed.
Kadrok she/her Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Ah! Here's where the discussion is. I too found it odd that Wax chose the term "Metalborn". I mean, I guess it's kind of fitting, they technically have a power from the Metallic arts, but it is a bit of a stretch. My first impulse was that the Kandra had taken a spike from Bleeder, perhaps the one granting the most broken power ever, Feruchemical steel. If this is the case, no matter how good an actor the Kandra is, Wax's deduction is way out of left field and could catch him off guard. Besides, do we know how good an actor VenDrell is? I'm guessing that acting ability varies from Kandra to Kandra, some with Wayne-like skill married to shapeshifting, and others who can shapeshift but very little ability to actually play the part. Ven seems like he's more of a cloistered scholar than a shapeshifting assassin. I think King's Twit's suggestion that this is one of the reasons we have this scene from Wayne's POV (so we don't see Wax's sick plays before they happen) is spot on, I hadn't thought of that.
natc Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 It seems like another manipulation to me that venDel reacts that way. I mean aren't kandras ment to be perfect actors? I have another speculation how the book might end but I dont know if thats allowed here so I put it in spoilertags * Am I the only one who thinks that Telsin is really working with the set. * And the most important question of all: can wayne read?? I thought it was mentioned in SoS that he couldn't. Im confused. While they were perfect actors, they were meant to act as humans. Wolfhound TenSoon was seemingly a rather unprecedented case in all of a thousand years.
Kadrok she/her Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Also, the talk of bone irregularities has made me less inclined to choose Bloodmaking as my Ferring power. Actually we're getting a lot of interesting talk about side effects with the Ferring abilities in this book. First the Sparker cravings and now Bloodmaker's bones. Edited January 5, 2016 by Kadrok 1
StormingTexan he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Slightly off topic but this is the first time I've read the preview chapters in real time I'm usually like a month behind. I'm really enjoying the discussion on each chapter. Now I have serious doubts I have the will power to do this but.. I bet it would be fun to only read a chapter a day and then have a day for discussing with a group. I just don't know if I could do it would be crazy hard to stop after one chapter a day. Edit: Maybe one chapter a day is too little but possible blocks of 3 chapters a day. I see groups on Goodreads do this I've just never thought to do it with one of Brandon's books I usuallyend up reading them in a day or two. Edited January 5, 2016 by StormingTexan
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Nah. I agree with Wax. Screw Harmony. Its takes something extremely manipulative and cold to set up Wax with Lessie/Bleeder so he could accomplish his own ends. It shows his complete lack of trust in Wax. And by only giving Wax very miniscule tidbits about the cluprit, while knowing exactly who it was and how they felt and were thinking, shows that, to Harmony, the ends justify the means. Poor Sazed. I would respectfully disagree. Remember, Harmony possesses Preservation's precognitive abilities; MeLaan said outright that Harmony "predicted disaster" if Wax had been told the truth. The exact form that disaster would have taken is unknown to us, but it's not unreasonable to think that it would have been, well, really bad. This wasn't a matter of trust. This was a matter of peeking into the future and seeing some really bad stuff coming 'round the bend if you made the wrong choice. Did the ends justify the means? It's hard to say for sure without knowing exactly what Harmony saw coming, but it could've been anything from Wax's own death to a nasty defeat in the first battle of an interShardic war. 1
Stormgate he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 We have to remember that Sazed doesn't hold Honor. Journey before destination if possible, but not necessary.
DreamEternal Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) When you are the god of a world it may not even be an option to not take an "ends justifiy the means" approach sometimes, since you must be impartial and take the option that minimizes destruction at all times, even if you must cause suffering to do it. I still disagree with Sazed on some points, like picking agents he can't afford to share all information with, and trying to act in mysterious ways instead of taking a more open, transparent approach to the fact he is a god and is watching for Scadrial, but doens't want people to depend on him. But saying he is evil for not telling Wax everything is a slippery slope fallacy at best. Edited January 5, 2016 by DreamEternal 1
GoddessIMHO Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Steris gets to go, Steris gets to go, Steris gets to go! I think some of you are being too hard on Wax. The man had his heart ripped out. He didn't just lose his love, he was responsible for her death. BOTH TIMES. I think he has a right to still feel raw and betrayed. When has there ever been a hero chosen by a god ( in all the stories ever written) who didn't pay in both heart and soul for the quests they have to go on? It sucks to be the chosen one. 4
Mestiv he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Wayne says good-bye and hums a song called "The Last Breath" that seems to have the beat of a heart. Methinks that's some ominous foreshadowing.... I've noticed that rhythm too. It strongly reminds me of the well of ascension beating rhythm... no idea why would Wayne hear that though 1
Kaymyth she/her Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Steris gets to go, Steris gets to go, Steris gets to go! I think some of you are being too hard on Wax. The man had his heart ripped out. He didn't just lose his love, he was responsible for her death. BOTH TIMES. I think he has a right to still feel raw and betrayed. When has there ever been a hero chosen by a god ( in all the stories ever written) who didn't pay in both heart and soul for the quests they have to go on? It sucks to be the chosen one. It IS Steris on the cover! Yay! But yeah, you're right there - Wax does have a right to be angry and upset. It's just when he starts on about how Harmony hadn't even apologized that I start thinking, "Well, of course not! You haven't let him!" I've noticed that rhythm too. It strongly reminds me of the well of ascension beating rhythm... no idea why would Wayne hear that though I dunno, it felt more like a setup for the, "That's the song that was playing when we met," line. Wayne has a weird sense of romanticism.
Elanicalicus Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 I loved this chapter so much, I reread it four times. Long live Wayne and his character ddevelopment!
ccstat he/him Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 I also want to point out that their currency names are apparently based in high imperial: Why, a boatman in those days would have dunked himself in the canal before taking a wuzing more than he was due!
StormingTexan he/him Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 I loved this chapter so much, I reread it four times. Long live Wayne and his character ddevelopment! I'm hoping Wayne becomes a world hopper I'll hate it if the next book is the last we see of him.
Voidus Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 My interpretation of the Metalborn line was just a user of the metallic arts, in this case Hemalurgy.
Stormgate he/him Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 I wonder what repercussions there are going to be for Wayne imitating Wax. I did notice that Wayne said "a Coinshot couldn't get higher" A Coinshot himself, Wax wouldn't have used that phrase. So, Wayne accidentally broke character. Not to mention Wax doesn't act like that.
DreamEternal Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) I wonder what repercussions there are going to be for Wayne imitating Wax. I did notice that Wayne said "a Coinshot couldn't get higher" A Coinshot himself, Wax wouldn't have used that phrase. So, Wayne accidentally broke character. Not to mention Wax doesn't act like that.It was not accidental. Remember, he was interpretating a criminal pretending to be a lord. Edited January 6, 2016 by DreamEternal 1
Orlion Blight he/him Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) It IS Steris on the cover! Yay! But yeah, you're right there - Wax does have a right to be angry and upset. It's just when he starts on about how Harmony hadn't even apologized that I start thinking, "Well, of course not! You haven't let him!" I dunno, it felt more like a setup for the, "That's the song that was playing when we met," line. Wayne has a weird sense of romanticism. Which sounds like setup for, "nothing to see here, just forget all about this... until Wayne gets stabbed with a Reaver's spear and asks Wax "do you remember the song...*cough blood* that played when we first met? It was the Last Breath...*eyes glaze over* Get it? Cuz he thinks Wax is that one chick due to trauma, bloodloss, and impending death! Funny times... Lost Metal spoiler It'll turn out the spear was a spike and Wayne will do a Winter's soldier deal/return as a highly skilled assassin for the Set! He'll eventually break their hold over them and wander the Cosmere, guilt-ridden... looking for a chance to redeem himself in Stormlight 4. Edited January 8, 2016 by Rime of the Ancient Orlion 3
Moogle Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) Lost Metal spoiler It'll turn out the spear was a spike and Wayne will do a Winter's soldier deal/return as a highly skilled assassin for the Set! He'll eventually break their hold over them and wander the Cosmere, guilt-ridden... looking for a chance to redeem himself in Stormlight 4. Then she raised the spear and rammed it directly into the Lord Ruler’s heart. I.... I don't think this is a coincidence, guys. Edit: Described as a "wooden spear". Maybe it's a false alarm? Don't spears usually have metal heads, though? Edited January 8, 2016 by Moogle 1
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