Anniversary Game 2: Return of the Koloss

[Sart he/him]

My new laptop has finally come in, so hopefully I can be more active. Anyways, I would just like to point out that we hit the day 3 slump. For some reason, the more information we have, the less we seem to debate. This leads to fewer posts, which in turn leads to fewer votes. It's a bad cycle, but I'm not sure what we can do about it.

 

Anyways, time for a vote count.

 

Venture (3): Mailliw, Haelbarde, Alvron

STINK (0): Wyrm

Hellscythe (1): STINK

Herowannabe (1): Wyrm

 

I'm just going to post some random observations I made, in order to help deduction.

 

Haelbarde votes for Lopen as the first post of Day 1.

Venture votes for Lopen on Day 1.

Hellscythe trusts Lopen.

Haelbarde retracts his vote.

Hellscythe is in PMs with Lopen...

Mailliw confirms that Lopen responded to him, claiming illness

Mark IV also affirms that, and mentions lack of internet. (Why would Mark PM Lopen? Mark is a new player...)

Lopen posts!

Hael switches to Adavantos, then to Bort.

Cycle 1 ends.

 

So let me get this straight. We're voting for the only person that voted off an Eliminator. REALLY?

 

Slart stared at the village. They were being noisy once again.That wasn't surprising to him. They were once again trying to lynch someone. Again, not very surprising. What was surprising was who they voted for.

 

"Alexander Venture is the only one of us who voted for Lippen."

 

He hated having to speak up, but it was past time he did so.

 

"This reeks of idiocy and manipulation."

 

Again, no one spoke. He had to continue.

 

"Unknown and Maill talked to Lippen privately. What did he say?"

Edited January 7, 2016 by Sart

[STINK he/him]

No one is discussing because apparently you're either in a SeekerTrustGroup, inactive or trying to get someones trust in a PM. 'Course, the fact that there is an eliminator in one of the two SeekerTrustGroups is not good.

[Hellscythe he/him]

No one is discussing because apparently you're either in a SeekerTrustGroup, inactive or trying to get someones trust in a PM. 'Course, the fact that there is an eliminator in one of the two SeekerTrustGroups is not good.

That statement seems to only want to create distrust among the Villagers Stink. Care to explain how you have this knowledge?

[Mailliw73 he/him]

"Unknown and Maill talked to Lippen privately. What did he say?"

I contacted him when it looked like he could be lynched and he hadn't replied. Knowing him to be a very active player, I PMd him to see what's up. He replied with his answer of being sick and needing a laptop. Then he died

I'll second Hellscythe's question, Stink.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Mailliw73

[STINK he/him]

Well it doesn't make much sense to me, is all. Let me go through it as if I was a Seeker.

 

1. Seek someone.

2. 'Now I trust you! Let's find more, want to tell me anything?'

3. Seek someone.

4. 'I'll tell you stuff now, such as my suspicions and who I want to seek next.' (Ada told me in a PM I was going into his trust group, btw)

5. Seek someone

6. Now if it's an eliminator, you might tell someone else to go 'THIS PERSON IS EVIL!' and try to get them.

7. If it's someone good, you bring them into the group. You're big enough now for someone to post in thread, and maybe actually talk to the other trust group.

 

But wait, do you see this happening? I don't. 

[Herowannabe he/him]

Hreo, a question. Why are you so set on the idea that a Tineye must be evil? It seems a little odd for you to think so, considering that's a fairly large logical leap to make, and it just seems like a good excuse to start lynching Tineyes without appearing too Eliminator.

You mistake me (on purpose perhaps?) my good sir, I in no way think that one of the Tineyes must be evil. I think that YOU are evil, and you also happen to be a Tineye. Big difference.

Also, remember that I am one of the ones vocally arguing that we DON'T lynch the Tineyes, because evil or not they are still valuable to us as a group.

As for the lynch, I am going to withhold my vote for now.

EDIT: also, a PSA for everyone regarding Seekers and trust groups:

Just because someone PMs you and says "hey I'm a seeker and I know you're good and I can prove it because your role is ______" does NOT mean that they are a VILLAGE seeker. With two seekers out there odds are very good that one of them is a Spiked seeker (or possibly even a spiked regular who is posing as a spiked seeker to protect the real spiked seeker's identity).

Go ahead and carry on any PMs and trust groups and whatever with anyone you gives evidence that they are a seeker, but keep a close eye on them as well and don't follow them blindly. Be smart and trust nobody. The ONLY person in this game who can trust other players 100% is a village seeker who scans another villager. Everyone else, be wise and be cautious.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Herowannabe

[Wyrmhero he/him]

You mistake me (on purpose perhaps?) my good sir, I in no way think that one of the Tineyes must be evil. I think that YOU are evil, and you also happen to be a Tineye. Big difference.

Also, remember that I am one of the ones vocally arguing that we DON'T lynch the Tineyes, because evil or not they are still valuable to us as a group.

 

The confusion arises because you say that if I'm not, then Stink will be. Or do you mean that if I'm not, then STINK must be for him to want me dead, and it's co-incidence that we are both Tineyes? If it's like that, then I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Keeping my vote there for the moment, but it's probable that it will shift before I head off.

 

I must admit, STINK does appear to be muddying the waters a little at the moment, as others have said. How do you know that there is an Eliminator within a trust group, exactly? Unless the trust group is built incorrectly (and done by wishful thinking rather than a Seeker), then it sounds like the only way for this to actually be true is for the Seeker to be an Eliminator. In which case, what evidence have you of this? Regardless of which two it is, the person you are accusing is a trusted individual, so it sounds to me like it'd be fairly important to get the truth of this out. So what's going on here?

 

I do agree though that the lynch of an inactive Eliminator isn't a tell-tale sign of innocence - It's happened before. In addition to this, the lynch only happened due to a Rioter, which means it was almost certainly lucky or accidental that an Eliminator was killed.

 

Edit: With regards to a liason, is it worth a person in each group revealing themselves and offering to be scanned by the other to prove themselves before acting as a liason (and NOT a merge of the groups or complete pooling of information in case there is an Eliminator Seeker)? They can only kill one of the people who reveals themselves, and if they are Smoked, then we know the Eliminators have a Smoker for sure (I would be very disappointed if a Villager Smoked one of these two).

Edited January 6, 2016 by Wyrmhero

[STINK he/him]

Well according to the claims, there are only 2 Smokers left.

[Sart he/him]

Okay, it looks like I didn't make my point clear enough. I understand that when someone votes for an Eliminator it's not a guarantee that they are a Villager. However, when someone puts an Eliminator on the chopping block, I tend to take notice. Look at when Venture voted. Haelbarde's vote on Lopen is still active when he puts his vote on. Since no one else had 2 votes, Lopen would have died had the votes stayed that way. And the most important thing is, it appears as though he did it without even realizing it! Do you really think an Eliminator wouldn't keep track of the one page of votes and notice that someone had already voted for his teammate already? It's bizarre. Using that line of logic, wouldn't Haelbarde be more suspicious? In the train of thought, he noticed his teammate was in danger, so he retracted his vote.

 

The main piece of evidence against Venture right now is a comment of this game taking up a lot of his time, distracting him from his other game. I can think of 3 reasons for this.

1. He's busy on the Eliminator doc. Like I said, I don't think that's the case, but it is a possibility.
2. He's in a lot of PMs/ has an important role for the good guys. I want to know how many PMs he is in to settle this possibility. I don't need to know what about, just that he's in them.
3. He used this game as an excuse for not being active in the other game. Judging by his frequent but short replies, it looks like Venture has a short attention span. He keeps getting distracted from analyzing by real life. Honestly, given what I know about him, I think this is a very really possibility.

Speaking of PMs, thank you for the reply Mailliw. I still need to hear from MarkIV, as that is the more suspicious conversation. I want to know who started the conversation.

 

Edit: Feels weird not using blue text. Old habits die hard.

Edited January 6, 2016 by Sart

[STINK he/him]

Hmmmm. 

 

Hellscythe

STINK.

[Metacognition he/him]

Sart, FYI, that is an incorrect use pf blue text, as that is all game related. Im on mobile right now or else I'd give you the link to the clarification of blue text from earlier this game even.

[luckat she/her]

Sorry about taking so long before saying anything useful about the game.

 

@Sart: I agree with you about wanting a response from Mark. What happened between you and Lopen, Mark? I’m not sure if I’ll be able to get on again for the rest of the cycle, but this is only one vote on you, and we really need more voting going on.

 

Also, what you have said about Venture is true, but I think it would be better for Venture to defend himself. Also, as Ada pointed out, voting for Lopen doesn't clear Venture. It is possible he was a Spiked trying to get Lopen to respond. His vote, while the second, was also early enough in the cycle that they both could have retracted. Venture may not have retracted later because Lopen didn't look like he was in danger anymore. Hael responded adequately when Ada asked him about it, but Venture never did.

 

Venture can you respond both to the question about your activity and Ada's question to you here?

 

I agree our Coinshot(s) appear to be inactive, which is a real pain. We must have one, it'd be too cruel to give the Eliminators a Lurcher and nothing to defend against .

 
It could be to protect against a Mistborn. If we do have a Coinshot who is holding back, though, I think it might be good for them to go after some of the people who have been tied for the lynch since our lynches haven't actually killed people recently.
 

Just because someone PMs you and says "hey I'm a seeker and I know you're good and I can prove it because your role is ______" does NOT mean that they are a VILLAGE seeker. With two seekers out there odds are very good that one of them is a Spiked seeker (or possibly even a spiked regular who is posing as a spiked seeker to protect the real spiked seeker's identity).

It occurs to me a Spiked Tineye could do something similar: have someone with a role they want alive or who already looks suspicious claim Tineye to protect them.

 

 

Vote Tally:

Venture (4): Maill, Hael, Alv, Kipper

Stink (2): HS, Stink

Hero (1): Wyrm

Maill (1): Sart

Mark (1): Lu

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Luckat, Sart actually just took his vote off of me.

 

Venture. Orlok, did you ever give a reason for going so inactive?

I'll change my vote back to Venture if I need to seal the lynch.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

I did Mailliw. I have an extraordinarily nasty virus, which dramatically affects my ability to actually play.

I'm checking the thread when I can, and responding to PMs on occasion, but hope to return to activity by the end of the week.

[Haelbarde he/him]

@Sart, Re: Venture - Lopen was far from the expected lynch target. It was a riot and a sooth that got Lopen killed. I don't think Ventures vote clears her. Also, I'd really rather someone got lynched this cycle, and our Soothers might cause a tie again if I take my vote off. I agree that those other options could be just as likely, but I'm of a mind to just find out and see.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Haelbarde

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I did Mailliw. I have an extraordinarily nasty virus, which dramatically affects my ability to actually play.

I'm checking the thread when I can, and responding to PMs on occasion, but hope to return to activity by the end of the week.

Oh sorry. I couldn't remember. Orlok Venture.

[Mark IV he/him]

Sart, in reply to you, I started conversation with Lopen. If you ask, I have started conversation with a lot of people.

Anyways, sorry for my absence, I had (have) a lot of work. I'll try to post when I can, but don't expect much.

Thanks.

[Metacognition he/him]

Night 5: Speak No Evil

No walls. No weapons. No healing. Tyrian Falls was in dire straights if they were going to be able to do anything to fend off the Koloss that kept marching steadily towards them. It didn’t help that more and more people were staying away from the meeting hall as the days continued. The place was starting to look like a curse to many of the villagers. If you went, there was a chance that you’d wind up dead.

“Perhaps a change of venue?” Wyrm suggested. “Someplace where everyone could all gather to talk and discuss, but also a place where they can get some much needed entertainment. Somewhere that isn’t too expensive either. We wouldn’t want everyone going broke over it. If only we could think of such a place!”

Citona seemed to back him up. “You know, it’s not really that bad of an idea. We do need to get more people talking and discussing if we’re going to figure out a way to protect ourselves from the Koloss. Maybe an incentive would help?”

“There, it’s settled then! Come! I’ll dazzle everyone with magic and the people will flock to us!”

“This is neither the time nor the place for your tomfoolery, Wyrm,” Edrab said as he made another notation in his book. “What we ne-”

“The Amazing Wyrm, thank you very much,” Wyrm corrected him.

“The amazing Wyrm, then. We need to find the Spiked still here before we can start any serious reconstruction. The Spiked will delay anything constructive we try until then.”

Despite the sidetrack, they quickly got back on track; coming up with plans to find the Spike when they heard a scuffling sound outside one of the windows. It was a quiet sound, as if the person was trying to not be noticed. They all glanced at each other and had their fears confirmed; the Spiked must have been spying on their meeting!

They formed a plan. They left Wyrm and Citona inside to talk about their plans to get everyone to come to his show while the rest of them went out the backdoor to ambush the Spiked.

As they snuck around the building, they saw a figure huddled under one of the eaves near one window. The day and thus the shadows were getting long, so they could only make out the shape.

At a signal from Vron, they fell upon the figure. They attacked him with whatever weapons they could find; a hammer, a plank of wood, a pitchfork, and whatever else. The figure fell to the ground and curled up in a ball. The figure never said a word as they beat on him.

It wasn’t until the hysteria left their bloodstreams that they realized why. It was only Alexander, the mute beggar.



Night 5 begins! You have 24 hours to get your orders in.

Alexander was a Regular Villager!

Current Player List

Votes
Alexander (4): Maill, Edrab, Vron, Citona
STINK (2): STINK, Hellscythe
Unknown (1): Lu
Herwynbe (1): Wyrm

No Votes (14): Herwynbe, Locke, Bartholomew, Clara, Alexander, Unknown, Riew, Exisa, Kilven, Inor, Jain, Slart, Kane, El

Edited May 27, 2017 by Alvron

[Elbereth she/her]

El slept through the next day. She had been worn out from staying up the whole day and nearly the whole night as well, making sure the fires were put out. As she woke, it was already dark, and the mists were just beginning to curl into the square of blackened charcoal.

She avoided thinking about him for the moment. Practicality first, he'd always said. No time to break down and cry at a death when there's someone who needs caring for in the next bed over.

So, she started making arrangements. For now, she was sleeping in the Canton where meetings had been taking place. Dangerous there, but no matter. She probably wasn't any less safe in a home of someone who might be Spiked.

She thought about staying and discussing, trying to find Kassien's killer. She should have been concerned about revenge, she thought. But she wasn't, not really, not like that. So she would stick to what she knew best.

EDIT: I need to sleep now, so I can't fix this, but El won't be leaving until morning. She isn't leaving to gather herbs in the middle of the night. That would be dumb. Basically, ignore the below part.

The store of herbs was completely gone, of course. They'd need more, and quickly. So she grabbed a bag from a neighbor, ignoring her pitying look. She returned the cloak she had been wearing to its rightful owner, and reverently put on her own, which had been hanging in the Canton where she had left it.

She inhaled into the cloak, smelling the smells of home again, and nearly cried. But there was no time for that, not now. So she walked out of the Canton with a firm step, towards the hills and the forests where she could find herbs to use to heal- and maybe, to kill.

Note that I'm not actually going away, like last time El went on an expedition. It's just naturally what she would do next.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Elbereth

[Mark IV he/him]

Could someone post a vote tally from the last cycle? We could check who was manipulated by that method. I'm busy right now, so, I can't do it.

Thanks.

[Elbereth she/her]

Here you go.

Venture (4): Mailliw, Haelbarde, Alvron, Kipper

Stink (2): Stink, Hellscythe

Hreo (1): Wyrm

Mark IV (1): luckat

No votes were changed that I can see. This indicates to me several possibilities, and likely a combination of them. Some of the Soothers/Rioters may have gone inactive. Some were happy with the lynch the way it was, I suspect. More to the point, even if there is a Spiked Rioter/Soother (which seems likely but not impossible to not have (see MR10)), they didn't use their powers, probably because they were fine with the lynch going the way it is.

That in turn implies to me that this was basically pure villagers lynching villagers. It doesn't quite soft-confirm the four who voted for Venture, but I think it moves them slightly lower on the suspicions list. That could just be me, though.

Stink, any reason you voted for yourself? You weren't likely to be lynched at that point, given there was only one vote on you. Just because you felt like it, or some other reason?

[Wyrmhero he/him]

That in turn implies to me that this was basically pure villagers lynching villagers. It doesn't quite soft-confirm the four who voted for Venture, but I think it moves them slightly lower on the suspicions list. That could just be me, though.

 

I don't see why you think it's Villagers killing Villagers just because Venture was innocent and there were no Soothings/Riotings going on. Venture was in a comfortable lead, as votes go, so there would be no point in using Emotional Allomancy. Also, it was the lynch of a Villager. The only possible reasons the Eliminators would have to Sooth or Riot would be to create confusion or to try and get someone else lynched (tricky, as they would need a Soothing and a Rioting). So I really don't think it clears any of those four at all.

[Mark IV he/him]

Thanks El.

I agree with wyrm. I feel that the (possibly) spiked rioters/soothers would have left the vote alone because they were comfortable with a villager being lyched. On the other hand if they were villagers, they would have had a suspicions on venture, or else they would have changed the votes. That's my opinion.

Or, they just went inactive. IDK really. I was hoping for some manipulation this time, cause that would have given us more information.

EDIT: In Meta's next game, I should really call myself 'No Votes'. That would be hilarious!

EDIT: Yay! 100 posts!

Edited January 7, 2016 by Mark IV

[Curious Anamaximder he/him]

Okay. I'm dead. Me the mute beggar.

Lots of people inactive.

[Mashadar Mistborn he/him]

Sorry for recent inactivity. School doesn't leave much time for any deciphering.