Mid-Range Game 10: Divided Loyalties

[Amanuensis he/him]

Sorry i haven't posted yet as finals week is bearing down on me and I've been busy studying.

 

Now i would like to vote on Adavantos, your reasons for voting on Mailliw are I feel very suspect. The reason he voted

for Hellscythe is pretty simple to see and while the retraction was random it does not seem that suspicious to me. And his claim of Thaidakar was clearly to get information on the factions, also I agree that this move would not be advised by his teammates if he was indeed evil.

I feel like there is more behind your vote. 

 

You're right, there is more than that behind my vote.

 

EDIT: In the spirit of "spreading the joy," as PK put it, I suppose I will place the first vote on Mailliw, who I am personally most suspicious of at the time being for the reasons mentioned in my previous post. Really what I want to know, Mail, is an explanation for your original vote on Hellscythe (beyond you "liking your PMs") and more importantly your subsequent retraction. Also, what did you hope to gain from the fake Thaidakar reveal?

 

I have a tendency to vote for players that I want to hear more from, either because they're not participating or something they did doesn't make logical sense to me. 

[Clanky he/him]

 

Sorry i haven't posted yet as finals week is bearing down on me and I've been busy studying.

 

Now i would like to vote on Adavantos, your reasons for voting on Mailliw are I feel very suspect. The reason he voted

for Hellscythe is pretty simple to see and while the retraction was random it does not seem that suspicious to me. And his claim of Thaidakar was clearly to get information on the factions, also I agree that this move would not be advised by his teammates if he was indeed evil.

I feel like there is more behind your vote. 

 

Now this is an interesting vote. You are voting for Ada because he voted for Mailliw based on his vote on Hellscythe. Where Mailliw voted for Hellscythe because of his vote on STINK. Cool

 

Anyways I will be putting a vote on Creccio who seems to be more suspicious then any of the other suspects put forwards so far. 

[Creccio he/him]

Now this is an interesting vote. You are voting for Ada because he voted for Mailliw based on his vote on Hellscythe. Where Mailliw voted for Hellscythe because of his vote on STINK. Cool

 

Anyways I will be putting a vote on Creccio who seems to be more suspicious then any of the other suspects put forwards so far. 

 

I wonder how I am suspicious, is it because I am completely lost as to how to find the Diagramist?

 

I really am confused and I am drawing blanks on how to find them.

 

If you have any questions for me, please bring them forward.

 

Of the suspects brought forward I don't really suspect any of them overly more than the other, so for now, I will refrain from blindly voting.

[Tony Shark he/him]

Now this is an interesting vote. You are voting for Ada because he voted for Mailliw based on his vote on Hellscythe. Where Mailliw voted for Hellscythe because of his vote on STINK. Cool

 

Anyways I will be putting a vote on Creccio who seems to be more suspicious then any of the other suspects put forwards so far. 

This is why I have not chosen to vote yet. Although I'd like more reasons for your vote to Creccio other then "She seems suspicious".

 

I wonder how I am suspicious, is it because I am completely lost as to how to find the Diagramist?

 

I really am confused and I am drawing blanks on how to find them.

 

If you have any questions for me, please bring them forward.

 

Of the suspects brought forward I don't really suspect any of them overly more than the other, so for now, I will refrain from blindly voting.

Did we not already agree on trying to find the Diagramists was our number one priority? So far it seems Creccio has been the one who has been the most straight forward in trying to find them.

[STINK he/him]

My name is John Doe. I am the fastest fish alive. 

When I was 6, my mother was taken from me. I saw a net. At the end of the net, there was a man. He kidnapped my mom.

What happened that night was impossible, but then an accident made me the impossible. 

To the outside world, I'm an ordinary Runner, but secretly, with the help of my friends in the Sons of Honour, I fight Diagrammists and find Heralds.

I'm hunting the man that kidnapped my mother, but in doing so, allowed Odium to threaten this world.

And I am the only one fast enough to stop him.

I am....

FLASH FISH!

[Amanuensis he/him]

In light of all these recent votes, here's another tally.

 

(0) Paranoid King: Clanky (1),
(0) Clanky: Arraenae (1),
(3) Stink: Hellscythe (1), Orlok (1), Twei (1)
(2) Hellscythe: Elbereth (1), phattmer (1), Mailliw (1), Tony (1),
(0) Orlok: Arraenae (1),
(2) Adavantos: Sart (1), DeathClutch (1),
(1) Sart: Kipper (1),
(1) Feligon: Paranoid King (1),

(2) Mailliw: Adavantos (1), Araris (1),

(1) Venture: Seonid (1),

(1) Kynedath: Arraenae (3),

Edited December 14, 2015 by Adavantos

[little wilson she/her]

The rule change for the Explorer in regards to the lynches killing them will go into effect next cycle. For this cycle alone, if an explorer has the most votes and they are exploring, they will not be lynched.

[Elbereth she/her]

I don't have time to respond in full to this thread right now (I have another final in 10 minutes and I just caught up), but I did want to note to Adavantos that your vote tally is wrong. I took my vote off of Hellscythe a while ago.

[Clanky he/him]

This is why I have not chosen to vote yet. Although I'd like more reasons for your vote to Creccio other then "She seems suspicious".

 

I had said why creccio was suspicious in an earlier post here. Asking how to catch the Diagrammists is in no way helpful to anyone. Do you expect people not to say anything unless you ask? All it does is make it seem like you are trying to catch an eliminator when you aren't actually doing anything. It isn't a big thing but it is one of those things that I feel is an eliminator type of statement.

 

EDIT: Ada is also missing my vote on Creccio in the tally

Edited December 14, 2015 by Clanky

[Amanuensis he/him]

I don't have time to respond in full to this thread right now (I have another final in 10 minutes and I just caught up), but I did want to note to Adavantos that your vote tally is wrong. I took my vote off of Hellscythe a while ago.

 

You're right; referred back to Post Summary 67 for confirmation. Here is the fixed tally.

 

With Strikes, Chronological Order

(0) Paranoid King: Clanky (1),

(0) Clanky: Arraenae (1),

(3) Stink: Hellscythe (1), Orlok (1), Twei (1)

(1) Hellscythe: Elbereth (1), phattmer (1), Mailliw (1), Tony (1),

(0) Orlok: Arraenae (1),

(2) Adavantos: Sart (1), DeathClutch (1),

(1) Sart: Kipper (1),

(1) Feligon: Paranoid King (1),

(2) Mailliw: Adavantos (1), Araris (1),

(1) Venture: Seonid (1),

(1) Kynedath: Arraenae (3),

(1) Creccio: Clanky (2)

 

Without Strikes, Descending Order

(3) Stink: Hellscythe (1), Orlok (1), Twei (1)

(2) Mailliw: Adavantos (1), Araris (1),

(2) Adavantos: Sart (1), DeathClutch (1),

(1) Hellscythe: phattmer (1), 

(1) Sart: Kipper (1),

(1) Feligon: Paranoid King (1),

(1) Venture: Seonid (1),

(1) Kynedath: Arraenae (3),

(1) Creccio: Clanky (2)

Edited December 14, 2015 by Adavantos

[STINK he/him]

If I had to vote (due to wanting a tie and not dying), I would vote for Maw. I would be perfectly fine with him actually being someone who knew the factions and posted it, but lying about that (even if he is a troll) just doesn't seem like a move that helps us find Diagrammists, but helps the people trying to make their faction win. I don't particularly like that,

[Creccio he/him]

I had said why creccio was suspicious in an earlier post here. Asking how to catch the Diagrammists is in no way helpful to anyone. Do you expect people not to say anything unless you ask? All it does is make it seem like you are trying to catch an eliminator when you aren't actually doing anything. It isn't a big thing but it is one of those things that I feel is an eliminator type of statement.

 

EDIT: Ada is also missing my vote on Creccio in the tally

 

You can think it is suspicious, but i am truly at a loss on what to do. If you believe it or not then that's your own thing.

 

Adavantos, we should have a nice chat, who do you think is suspicious as of now? Maybe you can help the me out in trying to figure a way to make myself useful. 

 

ROMEO FOUND SIERRA NEAR MIKE. !

Edited December 14, 2015 by Creccio

[Tony Shark he/him]

 

I had said why creccio was suspicious in an earlier post here. Asking how to catch the Diagrammists is in no way helpful to anyone. Do you expect people not to say anything unless you ask? All it does is make it seem like you are trying to catch an eliminator when you aren't actually doing anything. It isn't a big thing but it is one of those things that I feel is an eliminator type of statement.

 

EDIT: Ada is also missing my vote on Creccio in the tally

Appearing helpful without providing any input. I can agree it looks suspicious. Especially when questioned his defense was the same as his original post, but I wouldn't want to put a vote down

 

If I had to vote (due to wanting a tie and not dying), I would vote for Maw. I would be perfectly fine with him actually being someone who knew the factions and posted it, but lying about that (even if he is a troll) just doesn't seem like a move that helps us find Diagrammists, but helps the people trying to make their faction win. I don't particularly like that,

 

Although Mails list seemed pretty flawed, he told us it was intentionally made that way so he could phish for faction information, yes it didn't necessarily help find the Diagramists but it wasn't malevolent. I'm not trying to defend what Mail did but casting a vote because "You don't particularly like that" doesn't seem productive either.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Tony Shark

[STINK he/him]

I didn't cast the vote, merely saying that if the votes stayed exactly the same as they are now, then I would go for Maw over Ada.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Adavantos, we should have a nice chat, who do you think is suspicious as of now? Maybe you can help the me out in trying to figure a way to make myself useful. 

 

Who do I think is suspicious as of now? Everyone, honestly. No one has done anything so far that's particularly damning, nor exonerating. I do have some theories bouncing around in my head but I need to hear from Mail before I flesh them out. Other players I would like to hear more from include Paranoid King, Orlok and Feligon.

 

As for making yourself useful; that's something that's a bit hard to do on day one. Perhaps make a list of all the players who have not yet posted and the last time they were online? That way we can discuss potentially having one of them killed and hopefully draw them into the debate. I'd do it myself, but I'm trying to spread the workload so no one can interpret this game as another Adavantos vs Eliminators.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Adavantos

[Creccio he/him]

 

Who do you think is suspicious as of now? Everyone, honestly. No one has done anything so far that's particularly damning, nor exonerating. I do have some theories bouncing around in my head but I need to hear from Mail before I flesh them any further. Other players I would like to hear from include Paranoid King, Orlok and Feligon.

 

As for making yourself useful; that's something that's a bit hard to do on day one. Perhaps make a list of all the players who have not yet posted and the last time they were online? That way we can discuss potentially having one of them killed and hopefully draw them into the debate. I'd do it myself, but I'm trying to spread the workload so no one can interpret this game as another Adavantos vs Eliminators.

 

 

I have a final due in some hours, but I will try my best.

 

I remember when alfa went to the river delta, it was when the empire was crowned victor, and then peace was supreme. Not long after, The Monster woke up and Ekko's greatest love was exposed as a beagle who is relatively important.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Creccio

[Hellscythe he/him]

Creccio strikes me as extremely suspicious. He's trying to make it seem as if he's trying to help but is lost and doesn't know what to do. His play style compared to the last few games has completely changed. This is due to one of two things. Either Creccio is an important role and doesn't want to die, or he's a Diagrammist (evil) for the first time and as such also doesn't want to die. Seeing as I lose if the Secondary Win Condition is not met, I'm not willing to put a vote on him in the case that he's one of my team's Knight Radiants, but he's one of my top suspicions.

[Creccio he/him]

Creccio strikes me as extremely suspicious. He's trying to make it seem as if he's trying to help but is lost and doesn't know what to do. His play style compared to the last few games has completely changed. This is due to one of two things. Either Creccio is an important role and doesn't want to die, or he's a Diagrammist (evil) for the first time and as such also doesn't want to die. Seeing as I lose if the Secondary Win Condition is not met, I'm not willing to put a vote on him in the case that he's one of my team's Knight Radiants, but he's one of my top suspicions.

 

Again, I am lost, and would rather not do anything stupid than do something stupid and die an useless death like in the other games.

 

Even if I was a "important" role, would you doubt on killing me? I don't think so.

 

My game style has changed for the fact that, this is the first game when I am truly at a loss. I dont know what to do to find the Diagramist and I am being honest and not lurking around.

 

Other than voting for Stink and wanting to know people's alignment, what else do you have?

 

Edit:

 

Juliett  flew through the air of India trying to find any cloud, but alas it was November and the desert was plain and nothing can be seen. except for a distant xylophone

Edited December 14, 2015 by Creccio

[STINK he/him]

Well now not wanting to vote someone because they might be one of your KR's just sounds like not a reason at all. Let me do a favour for ya, Hellscythe.

 

Creccio.

 

Now wouldn't it be interesting if Creccio was evil? 

[Creccio he/him]

Well now not wanting to vote someone because they might be one of your KR's just sounds like not a reason at all. Let me do a favour for ya, Hellscythe.

 

Creccio.

 

Now wouldn't it be interesting if Creccio was evil? 

 

Can we not do this? Stink, I have given you the benefit of the doubt and I am trying to get a message across... I am trying to do something here... 

 

I am not a KR, and more over, I am a Son of Honor just like you, please retract your vote.

[STINK he/him]

If you aren't a KR, then I guess all we need to do is wait for HS to actually vote for you or come up with another reason for why a vote on Creccio shouldn't be placed. This will benefit us all.

[Hellscythe he/him]

Yeah that makes my vote a lot easier.

Creccio

Stink

This is turning out to be the STINK, Creccio, and Hellscythe funtime! page of discussion

please retract your vote.

Again with the *not wanting to die* theme, adds to my suspicion.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Hellscythe

[STINK he/him]

Creccio. 

 

There we go, now we all happy?

[Amanuensis he/him]

Creccio strikes me as extremely suspicious. He's trying to make it seem as if he's trying to help but is lost and doesn't know what to do. His play style compared to the last few games has completely changed. This is due to one of two things. Either Creccio is an important role and doesn't want to die, or he's a Diagrammist (evil) for the first time and as such also doesn't want to die. Seeing as I lose if the Secondary Win Condition is not met, I'm not willing to put a vote on him in the case that he's one of my team's Knight Radiants, but he's one of my top suspicions.

 

Okay so, I get the whole idea of being afraid of killing a critical role for your faction. However this is not a successful way to go about the game. If you are not willing to lynch a player because they just might be tied to your win condition then how do you expect us to get any where? Now, personally I am not against lynching nobody until we have more information for this reason given the fact that this is D1 and we have little else to go on but gut. However I just want to point out that if you honestly think a player is suspicious, don't let it slide; there is likely a good reason why you think they are evil, and unless you put pressure on them you probably won't learn anything more.

 

That being said, I personally do not support the killing of Creccio this early, for two reasons. First, the typical one where I always advocate that we avoid having the same players die early on every game because it ends up being super unfair for them. In Creccio's case he died D2 of LG15 and early on in QF11 as well, so for that reason I would like to let him slide for five cycles at least. Barring that, I don't think an actual eliminator would behave the way he has for obvious reasons. Apart from the BB situation it is extremely rare for an eliminator to get enough attention for a lynch D1. Also note that for this same reason I am not to serious about having Mail killed, I just want to understand where he is coming from.

 

EDIT: Ninja'd. @Creccio, I think claiming Son of Honor was a poor idea... I stick by my previous statement that it's best to keep factions a secret for the long term. While I don't think posturing among ourselves in private is a bad idea to prepare for the end, it's best that at least publicly we disregard our factions entirely in search of the Diagrammists. Once we kill them all we can focus on one another.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Adavantos

[STINK he/him]

Sorry to be this guy, but being killed early on in a game repeatedly must suck, yes. But is that really enough to just bring in what has previously happened and say that even if people are suspicious of them, we shouldn't kill them? In a game where it will take time to see what they actually were? We can't afford the time to do that kind of thing, sorry to everyone who disagrees.