Mid-Range Game 10: Divided Loyalties

[Kynedath]

Creccio why are you trying to use the phonetic alphabet? Are you trying to communicate some hidden message to someone? Is this just for fun?

 

Plus you aren't even using the proper terms. X is X-ray not Xylophone and I don't even know how many other mistakes you have made this far. The only word I could get out of what you said was JINX at the very end.

 

In order of your posts, I have seen these spelled out with the correct terms:

 

RSM   (Regimental sergeant major?)

 

ADVE  (Advent?)

 

JIN      (Jinx with the inclusion of xylophone)

[Hellscythe he/him]

 

 First, the typical one where I always advocate that we avoid having the same players die early on every game because it ends up being super unfair for them. In Creccio's case he died D2 of LG15 and early on in QF11 as well, so for that reason I would like to let him slide for five cycles at least. 

This is the exact reason I'm voting for him. Not to be mean and kill him every game, but because every other game he seems to get himself killed by saying something he shouldn't have said. And in those games he was generally a non-vital role innocent. Now that he seems to have gotten a role and/or alignment worth living for all of sudden he's more concerned with dying and asking about ways to find Diagrammists rather than doing actual analyzing himself.

 

To me his posts say that he's no longer a "non-vital role innocent".

[Creccio he/him]

I am advocating for not dying because I truly am not suspicious.

 

I don't have any lead other than you pushing the train on me, which I guess is odd, why are you so adamant in having me killed?

 

What part of my behavior is odd to you? The fact that I am lost? I am pretty sure there are others who are and are not participating. Why are you so set on me and not on them? I wont vote on you because I don't have any solid evidence against you, but the only thing you have on me to my knowledge is that I am lost, care to explain your reasons?

 

Even if im a non important innocent role i always try to survive, stop trying to kill me. I am not a diagramist.

 

@Adavantos:

 

As far as you know, I could be lying. I am a Son of Honor as much I am a Ghostblood if it saves my skin from being unjustly killed.

 

@Kyn

 

I dont like Xray, and no, i haven't made other mistakes, the person who should be getting this is not doing so, which is kinda sad.

 

Also, dont try to make sense of them, its a mesh between what you said and some other knowledge that someone else has.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Creccio

[Alvron]

Alvron, care to fill me in as to why Sheon Idris ended up on a kill list?

In order for my Bounty Hunter character to work, Lorna needed some targets.  Seeing as each of those on the list, bar Hael, have killed me in past games you made very tempting bounties.  Should any of those I listed die, Lorna will be claiming their deaths even if she had nothing to do with it.  After all a payday is a payday.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Sorry to be this guy, but being killed early on in a game repeatedly must suck, yes. But is that really enough to just bring in what has previously happened and say that even if people are suspicious of them, we shouldn't kill them? In a game where it will take time to see what they actually were? We can't afford the time to do that kind of thing, sorry to everyone who disagrees.

 

See, here's the thing. While it's harder to manage in this game given the fact that we have to scan our corpses and find a way to release the subsequent information, I generally prefer letting eliminators live for the first few cycles of the game, whether or not I am convinced of their alignment, because that gives them more opportunities to implicate one of their teammates. Obviously at a certain point in the game letting them live does more harm then good, but from my experience killing one D1, let alone expressing that you're onto them, is bad as well because either you have no other leads to go off after then or you give them enough warning to start casting doubt on players they know are innocent. So while I don't think killing Creccio is something I can get behind, I'll just say you do you boo boo.

 

 

 

 

 

This is the exact reason I'm voting for him. Not to be mean and kill him every game, but because every other game he seems to get himself killed by saying something he shouldn't have said. And in those games he was generally a non-vital role innocent. Now that he seems to have gotten a role and/or alignment worth living for all of sudden he's more concerned with dying and asking about ways to find Diagrammists rather than doing actual analyzing himself.

 

To me his posts say that he's no longer a "non-vital role innocent".

 

 

See above.

 

 

I am advocating for not dying because I truly am not suspicious.

 

I don't have any lead other than you pushing the train on me, which I guess is odd, why are you so adamant in having me killed?

 

What part of my behavior is odd to you? The fact that I am lost? I am pretty sure there are others who are and are not participating. Why are you so set on me and not on them? I wont vote on you because I don't have any solid evidence against you, but the only thing you have on me to my knowledge is that I am lost, care to explain your reasons?

 

Even if im a non important innocent role i always try to survive, stop trying to kill me. I am not a diagramist.

 

@Adavantos:

 

As far as you know, I could be lying. I am a Son of Honor as much I am a Ghostblood if it saves my skin from being unjustly killed.

 

@Kyn

 

I dont like Xray, and no, i haven't made other mistakes, the person who should be getting this is not doing so, which is kinda sad.

 

Also, dont try to make sense of them, its a mesh between what you said and some other knowledge that someone else has.

 

Fair point about potentially lying. Still don't think it's a wise thing to claim regardless. Also I doubt you're trying to get me to notice something but if you are just know that unless I have reason to suspect something is a code worth deciphering in the context of the game I ignore anything off-topic.

[STINK he/him]

So what you're saying is that you like to let eliminators live? 

[Creccio he/him]

Fair point about potentially lying. Still don't think it's a wise thing to claim regardless. Also I doubt you're trying to get me to notice something but if you are just know that unless I have reason to suspect something is a code worth deciphering in the context of the game I ignore anything off-topic.

 

 

It is pretty game related. if anyone decipher its or not, its on themselves. It might be even a way for communication to improve or for it to break down completely, lets see how this one rolls.

[Kynedath]

Creccio I don't see why Hellscythe is targeting you but I do know that the repetition in your language is suspicious to me. You keep coming back to the word lost, suggesting insincerity.

 

I can see why you would want to stay alive for this game, I feel the same way. But I don't understand what you said here

 

I am advocating for not dying because I truly am not suspicious.

 

It doesn't make sense to me how those two things are related.

 

But my suspicions are held at bay for now. The way you are trying to communicate with someone else makes me believe that you are not a diagrammist. If you were then chances are you would be talking to the person in the diagrammist doc. I suppose you could be a diagrammist trying to contact a non-diagrammist but I don't see the point in that as they would most likely not help you.

[Creccio he/him]

Creccio I don't see why Hellscythe is targeting you but I do know that the repetition in your language is suspicious to me. You keep coming back to the word lost, suggesting insincerity.

 

I can see why you would want to stay alive for this game, I feel the same way. But I don't understand what you said here

 

 

It doesn't make sense to me how those two things are related.

 

But my suspicions are held at bay for now. The way you are trying to communicate with someone else makes me believe that you are not a diagrammist. If you were then chances are you would be talking to the person in the diagrammist doc. I suppose you could be a diagrammist trying to contact a non-diagrammist but I don't see the point in that as they would most likely not help you.

 

I am repeating the same words because it is the truth... if i were to lie to all of you it would be worse.

 

I cant change the truth and I am repeating it because thats all I have.

 

I do want to be alive, being alive is good.

 

Xin went through the woods, looking for Charlie. As soon as he found him he could not do anything but freeze and bow down, he had never seen such a person in his life before. Rockets flew from his back and lasers out of his gun. he then went on and screamed GGEZ, now let me not break my back carrying all of you. and as such, he clicked on the thumbs up and gave the corresponding honor.

[STINK he/him]

This kind of stuff is exactly why some people may want to lynch you...

[Creccio he/him]

This kind of stuff is exactly why some people may want to lynch you...

 

For trying to convey a message and making myself useful instead of being lost?

 

Go ahead and do it. At this point its a norm to kill me first.

 

I am lost and I am trying to do something.

 

I am NOT a diagramist.

 

Make that what you will.

[STINK he/him]

Not what you are doing as a whole, but how you are trying to encode a message to someone while at the same time say you have no idea what to do...

Edited December 14, 2015 by IrulelikeSTINK

[Amanuensis he/him]

Thanks for the headache gents.

[Creccio he/him]

Not what you are doing as a whole, but how you are trying to encode a message to someone while at the same time say you have no idea what to do...

 

That's because I know the person the message is for at least has some ideas and I am begging for help.

 

I might have no idea of what to do at this moment, but if i bounce some ideas against someone maybe a flash of inspiration will get to me

 

@Ada My pleasure

Edited December 14, 2015 by Creccio

[STINK he/him]

Earlier, Ada asked why transparency was so important, and why we should make information public and not hide/encode that information. I thank you for demonstrating my point, as right now you said you need to bounce ideas off people but act in a way that isn't really doing that. I hope the person receiving your message is more open.

[Creccio he/him]

Earlier, Ada asked why transparency was so important, and why we should make information public and not hide/encode that information. I thank you for demonstrating my point, as right now you said you need to bounce ideas off people but act in a way that isn't really doing that. I hope the person receiving your message is more open.

 

I don't think the person got the message, so, for now, I will stop trying to communicate with said person. As for now, i will go back and read the rules and see if there is anyway to be sure of guiltiness and if not, its a matter of the discussion that has been had.

 

Stink, I don't know how much you trust me or if you do trust anyone at all, but please be sure of your decision on who you use your power on.

[STINK he/him]

Well I'm not even sure if I'll live beyond this cycle.

[Creccio he/him]

Well I'm not even sure if I'll live beyond this cycle.

 

Maybe a surgeon or another life saver has you on their mind?

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Wow, y'all got busy today! This is going to be a big post, so just hold on to your hats and go for the ride. 

 

First off, let me explain my post yesterday with the lists of supposed faction alliances. I did this for a number of reasons. The first was that I wanted to bait Thaidakar into counterclaiming me, because I wouldn't mind his death. Second was finding others' openness to sharing their factions and discovering what factions said people were in. I always play the information game as has been said, and I will try to win, and while that takes the Primary Win condition first, the Secondary is just as important. Cutting off the head of the Ghostbloods would be a nice boon for my faction. The third and most important reason was to generate discussion, as Stink and Hellscythe also tried to do. I'd say that aspect was a success, judging by the nine pages we have already. 

 

 

EDIT: In the spirit of "spreading the joy," as PK put it, I suppose I will place the first vote on Mailliw, who I am personally most suspicious of at the time being for the reasons mentioned in my previous post. Really what I want to know, Mail, is an explanation for your original vote on Hellscythe (beyond you "liking your PMs") and more importantly your subsequent retraction. Also, what did you hope to gain from the fake Thaidakar reveal?

I voted for Hellscythe because if it came down to Stink and HS as it was, I'd rather kill someone not proclaiming to be in my faction. I answered the second part above.

 

Lastly, this is only a request and entirely up to you, but to my faction leader, I would like to have a private word with you sometime in the future if you deem it not too much of a risk contacting me.

I'd like to know how you know that your faction leader is a Runner or a Bondsmith, if you don't mind. 

 

Aaaand I just finished my Arabic final and my brain is too shot to start on my final paper just yet, so I'll get started on the being useful earlier than I thought.

 

Venture Mistborn, on the other hand, has had almost no reaction to his roleclaim. It's been swallowed up be the reaction to Stink and the following bandwagon. I think he needs a little bit more scrutiny - some pressure. Why on earth did you publicly roleclaim like that, Venture?

Me too! 

 

I'll agree on that one. Venture, why did you roleclaim as you did? You didn't even let your faction know what side you are on. All you did was paint a target on your back from Cooks and Diagrammists. PMs are much more helpful to the village than the eliminators in a game where Eliminators have a doc, like this one, and thus, shutting down PMs would be easy if all Runners are going to keep claiming in the thread. 

 

4. There were reactions to my reveal at the time, use that. 

5. Most people say that talking is what the eliminators don't want, and while that may be true. They also don't want public information.

 

My reaction to Venture at this point is to just wait, and that we should deal with suspicions one by one, where everyone can bring up information about that person and we can slowly form an opinion about that person, as we are (mostly) doing now, with STINK.

I understand that part, that's part of why I did what I did as well. 5 is what I don't quite understand. Like Ada said, the more the Eliminators know, the better for them. Especially since you are one of the few players to have access to PMs, you can share information without making it public. But I do see part of your argument, for the same reason I'm somewhat known for dumping roles into the thread when I'm lynched. It's never lost the game for the villagers, but in this game, I don't think Role needs to be shared. If you want to share your faction, go for it. If you want to reveal your placement in that faction as well, fine, but it'll hurt your team a bit. But you don't need to reveal your role. That only helps you lose. I'd have thought people would've learned better after LG14 where I gathered most of the roles in a couple of days. 

 

There is at least 7 Diagrammists, and I would personally say there would be 8 of them, but that is all. 

 

I am not screwing over my team.

How do you know the numbers?

 

Now this is an interesting vote. You are voting for Ada because he voted for Mailliw based on his vote on Hellscythe. Where Mailliw voted for Hellscythe because of his vote on STINK. Cool

 

Anyways I will be putting a vote on Creccio who seems to be more suspicious then any of the other suspects put forwards so far. 

I voted for Hellscythe because of the two candidates at the time, I preferred lynching HS first, not necessarily because of his vote on Stink.

 

Creccio strikes me as extremely suspicious. He's trying to make it seem as if he's trying to help but is lost and doesn't know what to do. His play style compared to the last few games has completely changed. This is due to one of two things. Either Creccio is an important role and doesn't want to die, or he's a Diagrammist (evil) for the first time and as such also doesn't want to die. Seeing as I lose if the Secondary Win Condition is not met, I'm not willing to put a vote on him in the case that he's one of my team's Knight Radiants, but he's one of my top suspicions.

Saying that Creccio is extremely suspicious and then not voting for him is extremely suspicious. If you're not willing to lynch someone based on the possibility that they might be one of your faction's KR, when will you ever lynch?

 

I don't have any lead other than you pushing the train on me, which I guess is odd, why are you so adamant in having me killed?

 

What part of my behavior is odd to you? The fact that I am lost? I am pretty sure there are others who are and are not participating. Why are you so set on me and not on them? I wont vote on you because I don't have any solid evidence against you, but the only thing you have on me to my knowledge is that I am lost, care to explain your reasons?

 

Even if im a non important innocent role i always try to survive, stop trying to kill me. I am not a diagramist.

 

As far as you know, I could be lying. I am a Son of Honor as much I am a Ghostblood if it saves my skin from being unjustly killed.

 

Also, dont try to make sense of them, its a mesh between what you said and some other knowledge that someone else has.

What part of this are you lost on? If you're lost, Ada has summaries of every post that you can read through or you can ask people for clarification. Just saying that you're lost and don't want to die doesn't help whatsoever. 

 

Survival is not the most important goal. You can win even if you're dead. This game does have that alternate Win Con, but I find that very unlikely to happen, so survival is not as important as killing the Diagrammists and the KR on the opposing team. 

 

How could you be communicating with someone? That doesn't make any sense. The only reason to do that secretly is if you have some reason to trust someone and want to tell them something. I don't think that's a Diagrammist move except that it's possibly trying to distract us. 

 

I'm not sure where I'll be placing my vote for now, but I will be voting.

Edited December 15, 2015 by Mailliw73

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

9 Pages on the first Cycle.

 

Wut. 

 

Time to catch up...

[Creccio he/him]

@Mail

 

Im not lost as to what is happening, I am lost as to how we are going to find the Diagramist . I was trying to convey a message but I dont think it happened... Its not that I completely trust or distrust, but if i want to talk I have to start somewhere.

 

Anyhow...I think we will have more information next cycle when someone is dead and we can discuss their death. As of right now i feel really useless. 

[Mailliw73 he/him]

@Mail

 

Im not lost as to what is happening, I am lost as to how we are going to find the Diagramist . I was trying to convey a message but I dont think it happened... Its not that I completely trust or distrust, but if i want to talk I have to start somewhere.

 

Anyhow...I think we will have more information next cycle when someone is dead and we can discuss their death. As of right now i feel really useless. 

If you want to talk, the best place to start is right here, right now. Talk to everyone, not some mystery person in a code. 

 

Not really. All we'll know is who died, not their alignment or role. We might be able to judge a slight bit off of who it is, but that's it. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

First off, let me explain my post yesterday with the lists of supposed faction alliances. I did this for a number of reasons. The first was that I wanted to bait Thaidakar into counterclaiming me, because I wouldn't mind his death. Second was finding others' openness to sharing their factions and discovering what factions said people were in. I always play the information game as has been said, and I will try to win, and while that takes the Primary Win condition first, the Secondary is just as important. Cutting off the head of the Ghostbloods would be a nice boon for my faction. The third and most important reason was to generate discussion, as Stink and Hellscythe also tried to do. I'd say that aspect was a success, judging by the nine pages we have already. 

 

I voted for Hellscythe because if it came down to Stink and HS as it was, I'd rather kill someone not proclaiming to be in my faction. I answered the second part above.

 

I'd like to know how you know that your faction leader is a Runner or a Bondsmith, if you don't mind. 

 

Thank for explaining yourself, Mailliw. I still find you placing a third vote on Hellscythe and later retracting it without reasoning as suspect but I'll let it go in favor of the assumption that you were simply reacting to protect a faction-mate, which coincides with your attempt to get the leader of the Ghostbloods to reveal himself. Also, I was not trying to imply that my faction leader is a Runner or a Bondsmith; just that I am requesting he contact me if he comes in contact with one and has no qualms with revealing himself.

 

9 Pages on the first Cycle.

 

Wut. 

 

Time to catch up...

 

Here, maybe this will help.

 

C1 Post Summaries, 85 - 156

1. Bort: Advises caution of establishing a faction alliance, referencing the unmentionable game and its affect on one of our Co-GMs psyche. Thinks it’s best that we don’t explicitly target Diagrammists for this reason. Asks in blue text for a rule clarification regarding how much information a Commander has of his faction’s structure.

2. Lopen: Asks the GMs for clarification on Radiant distribution; specifically, if both sides have all types except for the one without the unique Bondsmith. Also asks the thread that given the limited amount of information that can be gleaned from death (at least immediately) if that means the Diagrammists would have a small number than usual or if we’d just have a large number of Scholars to balance things out. Says he will add his suspicions and ideas for strategies later but he needs to sleep for now. GM!Kas soon answers, saying that the number of Radiants per Faction is equal but not necessarily the type of Radiants.

3. Shallan: Apologizes for not posting yet due to finals. Says she should be active from here on out, but is wary of posting any advice referencing the Shallan Debacle of LG15.

4. Venture: Claims to be a good guy, a Runner and a Captain.

5. Bort: Thanks GM!Kas.

6. Hael: Responding to Zas’ guess at Diagrammist numbers, Hael adds his perspective to the calculation. Brings up his tendency to create quick links and says that due to this game’s turn over time he will be unable to take care of it; however, anyone else is welcome to follow his example and or petition the GMs include them in the write ups (I second this!)

7. Kynedath: Rather lengthy analysis (It always warms my heart when new players put this much effort into a post) that is better off read on your own, as me summarizing it would take far too long and likely do it no justice.

8. Paranoid: Begins his first post with a warning that he’ll be busy the first few cycles due to finals. Responds to Clanky’s vote against him on page one, clarifying his character’s back ground. Comments on the Stink and Hellscythe bandwagons, saying that on day one it is best to make as many players sweat as possible to instigate reactions and go from there; for that reason he places a vote on Feligon, declaring him evil.

9. Stink: Explains that he hasn’t defended himself because it takes too much effort on mobile (Note: Stink is currently on a short vacation with his family but will be returning to his desk top today).

10. Adavantos: Reponds to the portion of Kynedath’s previous post regarding why he took so long to weigh in on the events unfolding within the thread. Gives some but keeps others a secret. Places a vote on Mailliw asking for an explanation for his behavior in this game so far.

11. Clanky: Retracts his vote from PK. Asks Wilson to clarify the Transformation Surge of the Elsecaller role. Reponds to Wilson and Kasimir’s response to the nature of the game; in that the Sons of Honor or Ghostbloods can win without first taking out the Diagrammists who in this game are actually eliminators unlike the Discovery Faction in the game that shall not be named. Says that for this reason his primary focus is on Diagrammists, but if he finds two players suspicious he will be more likely to pursue the one who is not a part of his faction before the other.

12. Adavantos: Suggests that both the SoH and GBs focus on finding the Diagrammists before targeting one another while keeping their faction a secret among those they know for a fact are confirmed on their team. Asks his faction leader to establish contact with him sometime in the future, if he deems him worthy of trust.

13. Stink: Reminds the Radiants to keep their roles a secret due to the clarification on victory conditions.

14. Adavantos: Blue text post asking the GMs to just lock the threads instead of fuse them with the original until the end so that players can utilize his navigation tool throughout the course of the game. Is answered with a no.

15. Seonid: Comments on Stink, Hellscythe, Mail, Venture and the Scholars. Due to the length of the post it’s easier if you read it all again yourself rather than a summary. Important things to note; he expresses doubt of Stink and Venture’s role claims, suggesting that one of them may be a Diagrammist attempting to sow confusion or attract protection. Votes for Venture and dismisses Mail’s fake Thaidakar claim as Mail being Mail. Finishes off with a protest against bandwagons and emphasizes the importance of lynch discussion.

16. Kipper: Responds to Adavantos’ summary and analysis of him, clarifying that he was not coming to my defense but attacking my attacker due to the lack of logic associated with his vote. Admits he think the post summaries are useless.

17. Stink: Gives five reasons for role claiming to the public. Mentions “I know you knows” and explains what they are for anyone who doesn’t know. Says he doesn’t discuss WGGs and that in regards to Venture he will just wait and see, suggesting that each player should present their thoughts on players so that we can observe them from every angle and form a general opinion.

18. Adavantos: Accepts Kipper’s answer, claiming he just wanted to call him out in case Kipper is a Diagrammist trying to drag him down with him if ever found out. Offers why he believes the post summaries he does are useful. Reponds to Stink’s five reasons for role claiming, providing support for some and counterpoints for others. Mentions his tendency to ignore Venture due to his play style. Posts a countdown timer until turnover and asks the GMs in blue text if they will include them in future write ups.

19. Stink: Declares there are at least 7 Diagrammists but he believes there to be 8. Says he is not putting his team at risk, and that there is something for the village to learn if he is killed by the eliminators. Says he thinks Venture needs to be discussed more, but also says it is important we discuss everyone, not just him.

20. Seonid: Asks why his character ended up on Alvron’s kill list and provides backstory for his character.

21. Araris: Votes for Mail, explaining that the false Thaidakar claim was unsettling to him. Also responds to Adavantos about his mentioning of black text and blue text, believing that real life information does apply to the game and claiming he will always be honest when it comes to the subject.

22. Arraenae: Responds to Kynedath’s long analysis post that called her out for voting on Orlok. Retracts her vote from Orlok in favor of Kynedath, citing the fact that he composed a long analysis post but did not vote for anyone in it, believing it to be suspicious.

23. Kynedath: Agrees that Arraenae would be right if he were not a brand new player who fears upsetting the wrong person.

24. Stink: Assures Kynedath that this is just an online game and that even by placing votes players still have the opportunity to defend themselves, so no enemies will be made. Jokes about how he is leading the votes currently.

25. Arraenae: Assures Kynedath by referencing the primary element of the game; deceit.

26. Kynedath: Complains about pressure and claims they will wait a cycle before voting.

27. DeathClutch: Mentions finals week. Votes for Adavantos for what he deems is poor reasoning for voting for Mailliw. Expresses suspicion that there is more to my vote than I am saying.

28. Adavantos: Counters, referencing his habit to vote for players he thinks are not talking enough or have acted in a way that does not make sense to him.

29. Clanky: Comments on the fact that DeathClutch voted for Adavantos for voting for Mail who voted for Hellscythe for voting for Stink. Then votes for Creccio because he believes him to be more suspicious than anyone else up for the lynch.

30. Creccio: Continues to claim cluelessness in pursuing the Diagrammists, welcomes any and all questions from the crowd, and insists he doesn’t find any one player to be lynched more suspicious of any other and thus will wait longer before casting a vote.

31. Tony: Asks for an explanation for why Clanky thinks Creccio is suspicious. Also asks whether or not we decided that the Diagrammists are our top priority, suggesting Creccio is the most focused on that objective.

32. Stink: RP post referencing the Flash.

33. Adavantos: Vote tally.

34. Elbereth: Corrects Adavantos’ tally, referring to Post Summary 67 where she retracted her vote from Hellscythe.

35. Clanky: Answers Tony’s reason for suspecting Creccio, citing a post earlier one where he asked for advice on how to find the traitors without contributing to the discussion.

36. Adavantos: Fixes vote tally.

37. Stink: Says he would vote for Mail in order to ensure a tie if it looked like there was no other way to keep himself from dying. Comments on the fact that what he did was not very helpful in determining the identities of Diagrammists, but instead determining what factions players are in.

38. Creccio: Continues to say he has no idea what to do. Asks Adavantos who he suspects and if he has any suggestions to make him useful.

39. Tony: Agrees Creccio’s reaction looks suspicious, but doesn’t think he’s vote worthy quite yet. Confronts Stink about him saying that he would vote for Mail because he doesn’t like what he did.

40. Stink: Clarifies that he was just saying if he had to tie the vote he would do so by voting for Mail over Adavantos.

41. Adavantos: Posts the names of four players he would like to talk more and provides Creccio the task of gathering the names of all the players who haven’t posted yet and the time they were last active in order to begin reeling in more players for discussion.

42. Creccio: Responds saying he has a final due in a few hours but will try his best, then rants about something off-topic.

43. Hellscythe: Notes that Creccio’s playstyle this game is different than the last two, which could either mean he is evil or he has an important role. Afraid of killing one of his faction’s Radiants, he does not feel comfortable voting for him. That being said Creccio is around the top of his suspicions.

44. Creccio: Repeats previous points and asks if Hellscythe has anything more to offer.

45. Stink: Finds Hellscythe’s refusal to vote for Creccio suspicious, then votes for Creccio for him.

46. Creccio: Asks Stink if they “can not do this” and claims he is not a Radiant and that he is a Son of Honor so that he might remove his vote.

47. Stink: In response, says the only way this can now move forward is if Hellscythe votes for him or someone can come up with a good reason for Creccio to not get lynched.

48. Hellscythe: Retracts vote from Stink and places one on Creccio.

49. Stink: Retracts vote from Creccio.

50. Adavantos: Advocates we avoid killing the same players in the beginning of every game in order to spread fairness and fun. Also says he does not mind lynching no one due to a lack of information. Comments on Creccio’s SoH claim, asking that people keep their factions a secret until we take care of the Diagrammists.

51. Stink: Comments that letting someone live because they died early last game is not a good reason to ignore suspicions.

52. Kynedath: Confronts Creccio about the use of the phonetic alphabet in a few of his posts.

53. Hellscythe: Says he is voting for him because normally he has no problems putting his life on the line to analyze players but this game he seems more focused on surviving which is suspicious.

54. Creccio: Continues to defend himself. Informs Adavantos that he could be lying about his SoH claim. Responds to Kyn, saying that it isn’t just nonsense and that someone should be able to decipher it.

55. Alvron: Explains why he put Seonid’s character on his bounty list.

56. Adavantos: Informs the thread that generally he likes to let the eliminators live for the for a couple cycles without knowing that he’s onto them to see if they will implicate any of their teammates. For that reason, if people are so certain of his alignment, this is another reason to not kill him quite yet. Informs Creccio that if his messages are directed at him he is ignoring them because he ignores anything people say not related to the game.

57. Stink: Attempts to implicate Adavantos for his aforementioned strategy.

58. Creccio: Claims that it is in fact game related.

59. Kynedath: Finds Creccio suspicious for repeatedly using words like lost to make him seem unassuming, but believes he wouldn’t be trying to communicate with someone else in thread if he were in fact evil.

60. Creccio: More repeating that he’s innocent. More phonetic alphabet.

61. Stink: Comments that Creccio’s current behavior is why some players may wish to have him killed off.

62. Creccio: Insists he is trying to do something of use and that he is not a Diagrammist.

63. Stink: Finds the fact Creccio says he doesn’t know what to do and is trying to send a message don’t match up.

64. Adavantos: Has a headache.

65. Creccio: Claims he is begging for help from the player he is attempting to reach via the message and that he hopes to get an idea of what to do from him.

66. Stink: Uses Creccio’s efforts as an example for why he believes information should be public, not veiled behind codes.

67. Creccio: Gives up on communicating through code. Says he will reread the rules to see if anything sticks out. Also asks Stink to use his power with care.

68. Stink: Doesn’t expect to survive until next turn.

69. Creccio: Suggests there might be a Surgeon or Edgedancer looking out for him.

70. Mailliw: Lengthy post answering a few pokes and prods directed at him while also responding to some of the developments he’s missed. Better that you read it for yourself.

71. Panda: First post, expressing surprise at the number of pages.

72. Creccio: Responds to Mail’s recent comments regarding him.

Edited December 15, 2015 by Adavantos

[Creccio he/him]

If you want to talk, the best place to start is right here, right now. Talk to everyone, not some mystery person in a code. 

 

Not really. All we'll know is who died, not their alignment or role. We might be able to judge a slight bit off of who it is, but that's it. 

 

Then.. lets talk. The only thing that stands out to me as of right now is Clanky and HS adamant belief on my guiltness just because of a change of playstyle. 

 

 

A change of playstyle is something to be wary of but O have explained why there is a difference between this game and the other ones

[Lightsworn Panda he/him]

Ekko's 

 

(Twitch)

 

Xin

 

GGEZ

 

(TWITCH)

 

Here, maybe this will help.

 

Thank you for the TL;DR, Adavantos, although I prefer to go over a post by myself. 

 

Words cannot describe my tears of gratitude when I saw your vote tallies.

 

Alright, time to weigh in with a long post Mostly responding to Seonid as I thought it was a good summary. 

 

Why did I public roleclaim? There are a few reasons:

 

1. Ignore all my actions in previous games, this is SeriousSTINK and not SillySTINK.

2. Arguably the most important thing is your role and faction. I no longer have that as private information. (Makes the game more fun)

3. My statement still stands, that all information I know will go public, unless asked to keep it private.

4. There were reactions to my reveal at the time, use that. 

5. Most people say that talking is what the eliminators don't want, and while that may be true. They also don't want public information.

 

My role wouldn't have mattered in my decision at all, but I happened to be a Runner, and I already know who I will make a PM with. 

 

Talking about Protection, this has turned into what everyone knows and loves. An 'I Know You Know', which for all new players is when someone might say or act in a way that implies ' The Eliminators will attack me' but with the Eliminators seeing that, they decide to go for someone else. Basically it's just lots of bluffing.

 

If I was a Radiant, then I would be quite contradictory, eh?

 

I won't talk about WGGs, as anything I say about them will either make people tunnel on me more or do nothing, so there really is no point.

 

My reaction to Venture at this point is to just wait, and that we should deal with suspicions one by one, where everyone can bring up information about that person and we can slowly form an opinion about that person, as we are (mostly) doing now, with STINK.

 

(As I was writing this 3 people replied to Seonid) 

 

Switching playstyles isn't that easy, from my experience. You'll find your SeriousSTINK will still have traces of SillySTINK all over it (For example, your point 2. If you wanted to play the game seriously, you would have held on to your cards longer and not revealed your role, especially not just for the thrill of it). It took multiple games and a couple of throws before ErraticJain finally started stabilizing. 

 

I'm rather undecided regarding STINK's reveal. He hasn't exactly given us much in terms of explanation (admittedly, I do have Wilson-thesis level expectations), so there really can't accuse his reasoning, although we certainly could accuse his lack of it. For now, I'll just put it down as a game-opening gambit. 

 

STINK's long post seems somewhat inflated to me. 3 of its paragraphs (The WGG, Radiant and Protection one) are rather unnecessary, or just stating the obvious. To me, you're attempting to look like a helpful and contributing member. Your motives are up for debate, of course, although I won't judge you for them just yet.

 

What intrigues me is how Hellscythe and STINK jumped on Creccio. Their reasons of accusation mainly appear to be A) Creccio is attempting to not die and Creccio is being suspicious. Reason A) Is understandable. Wanting to stay alive is perfectly normal. I mean, I know the service and community in the dead docs are great, but it just doesn't beat being alive, you know? We shouldn't be condemning a player to death just for suddenly having a spike in survival instinct. Sure, Creccio could be trying to stay alive since she had just gained an important role, but it's equally possible that she's fed up with dying early so often. Also, Hellscythe and STINK's reasoning are also rather hypocritical. Both have been suspected, targeted and voted for. Attempting to bandwagon Creccio just for trying to stay alive doesn't appear to be very selfless to me. As for reason , you could slap anyone in the game for that one.

 

For now, I'm willing to buy Creccio's "Lost" and "Trying to help" stance. I advocate that we give him/her some time to prove herself, and make judgements then.