What's with all the Kaladin love?

[natc]

Let's look at this by comparing with Mistborn.

People related to elend that Vin killed:

• his father
• his brother
• his fiancee
• his god

Now in SA, people related to Adolin that turn out to be radiants:

• his father
• his brother
• his fiancee
• ...

There! Conclusive logical proof that Kaladin = god.

Should we be spoiler tagging Vin's kill record?

Considering how she died by performing a suicidal attack against Ruin, she also killed Elend's wife

[Edgedancer he/him]

Should we be spoiler tagging Vin's kill record?

Considering how she died by performing a suicidal attack against Ruin, she also killed Elend's wife

Does that mean that

Adolin will become a Radiant and marry his spren?

[DreamEternal]

Does that mean that

Adolin will become a Radiant and marry his spren?

What? No, Vin didn't kill Elend. It means that Adolin will break up with Shallan and his wife will turn out to be a Radiant.

Perhaps ten years after the current storyline 33 years old Adolin will marry 25 years old Lift? Or did I mess up the ages?

Edited December 10, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern

[Edgedancer he/him]

What? No, Vin didn't kill Elend. It means that Adolin will break up with Shallan and his wife will turn out to be a Radiant.

Perhaps ten years after the current storyline 33 years old Adolin will marry 25 years old Lift? Or did I mess up the ages?

Alright, I can life with that.

 

That depends if Lift does actually age or if her being x years old for y years is actually true and the Nightwatcher rewrote the part of her soul knowing how old she is.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Edgedancer

[AerionBFII he/him]

With the exception of the reunion at Hearthstone, none of those plot points are deeply personal, like Shallan's search for knowledge about her brother, Adolin's murder of Sadeas, or Dalinar's recent bond with the Stormfather. Or whatever Nale plans to do to Szeth.

Oh, and Kaladin is a great warrior, yes, but why in Braize should it make him more relevant than Shallan's spying or Dalinar's political leadership? Knowledge and unity are much more important than a single warrior, no matter how powerful. Unless that warrior was recently recruited by a possibly insane Herald and give a weapon of mass destruction, and may cause even more chaos.

And while it is nice to see Kaladin trying to do his duty, we need time for everyone else too! No one wants him to mysterioysly vanish, just to lose some screen time.

Coming face to face with Amaram who slaughtered his comrades?

Seeing how he is the one who killed Shallans brother facing her?  That arc i would say that's for both of them to be majorly involved in. I think there is plenty for him to do.. I never said he was more important i just meant he would be the Vanguard of their group, im not arguing that he is more important but he is just as important. 

 

Kal is the Fighter and the symbol, Dalinar the figure head, the glue that holds them and Shallan who...spies? lol

No but they are all as important as each other. 

Edited December 10, 2015 by WEZ313

[DreamEternal]

Coming face to face with Amaram who slaughtered his comaredes?

Or seeing how he is the one who killed Shallans brother facing her and that arc?

Amaram... You may have a point, but he is a Son of Honor, and also used to be Dalinar's friend, so I count his arc as belonging to multiple characters.

Helaran... Well, that could be approached from Shallan's perspective as well.

Plus, I didn't say I wanted no more Kaladin, only less from Kaladin and more from other characters. Kaladin's plot now needs much less screen time than what he had in the previous books, while other characters now need more.

EDIT: I don't see why Kaladin is more of a symbol than Dalinar "The Almighty has choosen me!" Kholin, or why being a fighter merits him more screen time than he needs to resolve his plot arcs. Plus, I think you are vastly undervaluing how useful the Ghostbloods' knowledge will be if Shallan manages to not get outwitted.

Edited December 10, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern

[AerionBFII he/him]

Amaram... You may have a point, but he is a Son of Honor, and also used to be Dalinar's friend, so I count his arc as belonging to multiple characters.[1]

Helaran... Well, that could be approached from Shallan's perspective as well. [2]

Plus, I didn't say I wanted no more Kaladin, only less from Kaladin and more from other characters. Kaladin's plot now needs much less screen time than what he had in the previous books, while other characters now need more.

EDIT: I don't see why Kaladin is more of a symbol than Dalinar[3] "The Almighty has choosen me!" Kholin, or why being a fighter merits him more screen time than he needs to resolve his plot arcs. Plus, I think you are vastly undervaluing how useful the Ghostbloods[4]' knowledge will be if Shallan manages to not get outwitted.

 

[1] I totally agree! Amaram is a very important character, since he is in possession of a supposed Heral and a top member of The SON's he totally screwed over Kaladin and had important tie to Dalinar's 'saintly' brother, they both deserve a crack at him but i believe the wrong he did Kal was worse, so i'd give them joint responsibility but Kal gets more share haha

 

[2] No it will be better to give them both joint perspective, Shallans search for the truth and her reaction to finding out the truth and Kals reaction to finding out she knows and them both coming to terms over it. This will be one of the points that put a strain on the group.

 

[3] Dalinar will be the figure head and leader but Kal will be the more active of the two, especially for the Dark eyes.

 

[4] The Shallan thing was meant as a joke haha, i not undervaluing her or her work, i wont claim to love Shallan herself but i enjoy her arc and the Ghostbloods interactions especially. 

Edited December 10, 2015 by WEZ313

[Vander]

I officially don't know anything about this thread anymore.

[galendo]

I'd like to add that one reason for the Kaladin love is that he's the only darkeyed main character.  All the other main characters were born with silver spoons in their mouths, but he wasn't.  It makes him more relateable (I'm guessing most people here weren't born rich; and not just rich but literally with an impassable bar between them and the "lower" society) and also more of an underdog.  It's way more exciting to see a relative nobody rise to importance than it is to see someone literally born that way.

[Vander]

I'd like to add that one reason for the Kaladin love is that he's the only darkeyed main character.  All the other main characters were born with silver spoons in their mouths, but he wasn't.  It makes him more relateable (I'm guessing most people here weren't born rich; and not just rich but literally with an impassable bar between them and the "lower" society) and also more of an underdog.  It's way more exciting to see a relative nobody rise to importance than it is to see someone literally born that way.

Well, all the main characters so far. Except Szeth, (he is light-eyed, but Shin people work differently) but we haven't really seen much of him. Oh, and Lift, if I recall correctly.

[natc]

What was Szeth's eye color? I only remember what the color was when he summons his blade.

[Vander]

 

What was Szeth's eye color? I only remember what the color was when he summons his blade.

On looking back, I realize I messed up slightly. Still, his eyes are normally dark-green, though they turn pale blue when he summons the Honorblade.

[DreamEternal]

On looking back, I realize I messed up slightly. Still, his eyes are normally dark-green, though they turn pale blue when he summons the Honorblade.

Dark green is still considered darkeyed in vorin Roshar. Althought it is implied he was a very important person in Shinovar before becoming a Truthless.

Still, Kaladin is much, much closer to tge avarage darkeyes than Szeth will ever be.

[Vander]

Dark green is still considered darkeyed in vorin Roshar. Althought it is implied he was a very important person in Shinovar before becoming a Truthless.

Still, Kaladin is much, much closer to the average darkeyes than Szeth will ever be.

Agreed about his darkeyed status.

 

However, things (presumably) work differently in Shinovar. Just because he was important doesn't mean he inherited anything. Heck, being dark-eyed or light-eyed probably doesn't even matter.

 

Of course Kaladin is closer to an average darkeyes: Szeth came from a completely different culture.

[AerionBFII he/him]

Agreed about his darkeyed status.

 

However, things (presumably) work differently in Shinovar. Just because he was important doesn't mean he inherited anything. Heck, being dark-eyed or light-eyed probably doesn't even matter.

 

Of course Kaladin is closer to an average darkeyes: Szeth came from a completely different culture.

Yeah in Shinovar things work differently, before his Truthless status im guessing he was some sort of StoneShaman or something. Kal is the only Dark eye main character... except for the two hours after he uses his Shardblade...then he's back to his usual lovable cranky self 

Edited December 13, 2015 by WEZ313

[Vander]

Yeah in Shinovar things work differently, before his Truthless status im guessing he was some sort of StoneShaman or something. Kal is the only Dark eye main character... except for the two hours after he uses his Shardblade...then he's back to his usual lovable cranky self 

Hey, I wonder if he'll just randomly summon his Shardblade to look light-eyed when travelling! What with the completely unrealistic way Shallan got to the Shattered Plains, it could have quite the benefit. Well, if he can't fall, for whatever reason.

 

Of course, then we'd get a bunch of emo-philosophy about having to pretend to be what he has hated for a large part of his adult life, but that's a story for another time.

Edited December 13, 2015 by Car'a'carn

[DreamEternal]

Hey, I wonder if he'll just randomly summon his Shardblade to look light-eyed when travelling! What with the completely unrealistic way Shallan got to the Shattered Plains, it could have quite the benefit. Well, if he can't fall, for whatever reason.

Of course, then we'd get a bunch of emo-philosophy about having to pretend to be what he has hated for a large part of his adult life, but that's a story for another time.

Completely unrealistic way... While Shallan's skills as a conwoman developed supernaturaly fast, I don't think it was any more fantastical than Kaladin's fighting skills.

Also, I like his emo-philosophising :/

[Vander]

Completely unrealistic way... While Shallan's skills as a conwoman developed supernaturaly fast, I don't think it was any more fantastical than Kaladin's fighting skills.

Also, I like his emo-philosophising :/

Well, Kal sort of had years where Shallan was doing it off the top of her head. Admittedly, though, I was slightly exaggerating.

 

Oh, I love it too. It can get a bit much, though, sometimes.

[Stormgate he/him]

Remember, Shallan was unable to con Stick into becoming fire.

[Vander]

Remember, Shallan was unable to con Stick into becoming fire.

*sigh* I feel like even Jasnah would be making fun of her, if she heard that. 

 

"You destroyed the ship, but couldn't start a fire? Seriously?"

[Rakei]

*sigh* I feel like even Jasnah would be making fun of her, if she heard that. 

 

"You destroyed the ship, but couldn't start a fire? Seriously?"

Almost entirely certain Shallan has no grasp of how soul-casting works, she had to beg and plead with the ship to do something of it's own will, coaxing it to change to save the beings that gave it purpose.

Then with the stick she had nothing to "offer" and no will to enforce the change she wanted.

 

Also, shallan is barely a con woman, she mostly skated by through her lightweaving ability and the few pieces of advice given to her by Jasnah and Tyn about perception.

[Vander]

Almost entirely certain Shallan has no grasp of how soul-casting works, she had to beg and plead with the ship to do something of it's own will, coaxing it to change to save the beings that gave it purpose.

Then with the stick she had nothing to "offer" and no will to enforce the change she wanted.

 

Also, shallan is barely a con woman, she mostly skated by through her lightweaving ability and the few pieces of advice given to her by Jasnah and Tyn about perception.

Just about this. 

 

Though, half the time she was just getting by on "I'm a Lighteyes."

[DSC01 he/him]

Convincing your subject is the wrong way to soulcast. She just got lucky with the ship because it had a cognitive identity that was complicated enough and tied to human lives such that it was susceptible to being convinced.

Also, I don't think summoning his blade would turn Kaladin's eyes light. I think he needs Stormlight, too. I do hope, though, that he will just summon his blade when people doubt his new status. It seems like we're inevitably going to be subjected to a subplot where Kaladin is ineffective because there's no Stormlight to be had with the Weeping going on, and no one believes that a darkeyes with slave brands came by his captain uniform honestly. It's very predictable, and I really hope that Sanderson finds another source of conflict for the character.

Edited December 14, 2015 by DSC01

[Stormgate he/him]

I read in a sample chapter that Kaladin's eyes turn light when he summons his Blade or when he holds Stormlight.

[DSC01 he/him]

Ah, right you are.

I assume you mean this one: http://www.tor.com/2014/09/30/brandon-sanderson-stormlight-archive-book-3-first-chapter/