Patar Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I've been thinking about this for a while. I know that Harmony and Odium are probably the strongest, but how do the others rank? Can someone more knowledgeable than me create a ranking system that includes not only shards, but powerful people (Vin, Raoden) in it as well? I'm really curious to see how these extremely powerful characters rank against one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 As you said, Harmony is probably the most powerful. WoB to support this: Interview: Sep 22nd, 2012 Orem Signing Report - Zas (Verbatim) Josh and Eric So are Shards the most powerful thing in the Cosmere? AdamOr is Adonalsium? Josh and EricNo, no, let him RAFO the first one first, or he'll lump them together. Brandon Sanderson It depends on what you believe. The Shards are the most powerful things currently overtly manifest. There are those who would say there are other subtle forces being manifest. Most people in the know would say that Shards are the most powerful thing. AdamDoes Hoid believe that Shards are the most powerful thing? Brandon SandersonYou'll have to ask him sometime. [gives troll grin]. Or see him get asked something like that sometime. There's argument to be made that right now Harmony is the most powerful thing in the Cosmere. As for non-shards, In no particular order I would guess:MarshRaoden (while in the direct proximity of Elantris) Susebron (from a raw-power standpoint, not necessarily skill)Rashek I am omitting Vin: For holding Preservation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesomness Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 As for non-shards, In no particular order I would guess: Marsh Raoden (while in the direct proximity of Elantris) Susebron (from a raw-power standpoint, not necessarily skill) Rashek For non shards, I vote for Marsh definitly. He has huge powers that no longer exist in Scadrial, and he has been around for several hundreds years, while most of the other characters recently acquired their powers, and/or their powers are not so extensive. As for Rashek: He held Preservation, and then he´s dead... :/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 As for Rashek: He held Preservation, and then he´s dead... :/ Regarding Rashek: He never really held the ("full") powers of Preservation though, he held a Piece (albeit a large one) of Preservation's power that was held in the well for a couple of minutes. Vin on the other hand absorbed the full power of the mists. That is why I didn't count him as a shard. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericth Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 The stick. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowspren Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 So... Marsh vs Szeth. Who would win? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think Marsh is more powerful (he's presumably a fullborn with hemalurgy) as he's basically the Lord Ruler but with more powers that hadn't been discovered yet in TLR's time. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 So... Marsh vs Szeth. Who would win? It depends on whether or not Marsh knows to avoid being hit by the Shardblade. But in fight where they both know about the others powers Marsh wins. His power supply lasts much longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil_Reptile Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Assuming that Marsh knew what a Shardblade does, and doesn't let Szeth hit him in a lethal spot that wouldn't usually kill him, Marsh would probably win because of his raw allomantic power and 400-odd years of experience. Having said that, there's no guarantee that a Shardblade would do the same thing to an Inquisitor, since they don't really die like humans. They die when their Hemalurgic Spikes are separated, but is severing one's soul from something the same as separating their spikes? I just don't know. I'd have to say Marsh would probably win. As for the most powerful non-shard beings in the cosmere, I'd have to say these , in no particular order: Susebron, due to his great amount of Breath, if not experience. Marsh, who, as WayneSpren said, is basically the Lord Ruler+. The Nightwatcher, assuming that she isn't secretly Cultivation The Stormfather, since he seems to be in a similar weight class as the Nightwatcher, assuming, again that she's an uber-spren. Frost, just because he's a dragon. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaladin Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Nightblood. EDIT: Actually, assuming Hoid is human, he is obviously the most powerful human in the Cosmere. Edited August 19, 2015 by Xaladin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't say Marsh is more powerful than TLR, since in terms of raw allomantic strenght he gained his power directly from the Well, or at least from Lerasium, so he is probably much stronger than the avarage Inquisitor. Edited August 19, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubdor Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Having said that, there's no guarantee that a Shardblade would do the same thing to an Inquisitor, since they don't really die like humans. They die when their Hemalurgic Spikes are separated, but is severing one's soul from something the same as separating their spikes? I just don't know. I'd have to say Marsh would probably win. That is actually a very good point, I had never thought of that. That makes me very curious. I wonder if there's a WoB on that or if he'd answer the question if we asked him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneSpren Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 The most powerful altogether is almost definitely (Major Mistborn Spoiler:) Harmony, according to Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mestiv Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Brandon Sanderson is the most powerful creature in the Cosmere Other than that, I agree that Harmony is the most powerful. Or the thing oposing Adonalsium. Edited August 19, 2015 by Mestiv 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zathoth Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I am decently sure that there is a WoB that says that a bloodmaker could heal from a shardwound, so definitely Marsh, but only this far, Szeth with Nightblood might be something different completely. Hoid is by his own words terribly ineffective at hurting people, but of course he is also incredibly hard to kill. I'm probably going with Marsh as well. Though is Marsh really fullborn? The spikes shouldn't give him all the powers, unless Harmony did something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blightsong Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I think Marsh is more powerful (he's presumably a fullborn with hemalurgy) as he's basically the Lord Ruler but with more powers that hadn't been discovered yet in TLR's time. I think I saw somewhere that TLR was aware of all the metals. I'm not sure, however, if some one can find that WoB that would be nice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honor Spren Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Hoid is powerful. There is also Nightblood and Marsh. Heralds (I am assuming) are pretty full of power too, when they have their Honorblades and Stormlight. One person I haven't seen mention here yet is Lift. I MEAN LOOK AT HER, SHE CONVERTS FOOD INTO PURE INVESTITURE. What could she do at a large banquet I wonder. . . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADIMORTIS Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Is there a WoB that marsh can use bendalloy and cadmium....Does he have the spikes for them? If yes then I will go with him as being the more powerful than szeth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I think I saw somewhere that TLR was aware of all the metals. I'm not sure, however, if some one can find that WoB that would be nice. You are referring to Epigraph 72 from The Hero of Ages: Yes, there are sixteen metals. I find it highly unlikely that the Lord Ruler did not know of them all. Indeed, the fact that he spoke of several on the plates in the storage caches meant that he knew at least of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patar Posted August 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 What about Raoden? How would he fare in a battle against Marsh (in Elantris, of course)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) I saw a WOB stating that full Elantrians in Elantris would be capable of pretty amazing feats and that Brandon might bet on them if there was ever a full on Allstar grudgematch. I personally think Shae is likely to be the most powerful person in the cosmere. She may not be (as it stands) the most burst-power individual, but her ability to re-write pasts could be VERY effective. Assuming she found any other magic system to tap-into, sh could grow exponentially. I also asked Brandon a question, and his WOB was that The Moon Scepter was taken by Hoid because it somehow assisted with using Sel based magic. It would be possible for her to trackdown Hoid, and level-up as it were. I think Hoid is not super powerful. He always mentions his birth and the anti-violence restrictions on him. There is a character in Whitesand that WoB states is "the most Csmereically aware" person. Even more so than Hoid.Though I have read that story, and there is no hint as to how she would ever ascend to that status. She is fairly normal, almost like a Rosharian Scholar, in the book. Shrug. But knowledge is power. Edited August 21, 2015 by teknopathetic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansalem Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I think Hoid is not super powerful. He always mentions his birth and the anti-violence restrictions on him. Just because he has difficulty killing doesn't mean he isn't super powerful. Harmony has difficulty acting at all and yet he is the most powerful being in the whole known Cosmere currently. I think it's safe to say Hoid is the most powerful non-Shard being in the Cosmere. He has artifacts and access to powers from many different Shardworlds, more than any other being we know of so far, plus whatever he started with from Yolen. He could kill basically anyone if he weren't restricted and his restrictions seem to be self-inflicted, possibly even psychosomatic. Give his powers to someone else and that person probably could win any fight other than against a Shard, I think. It might turn out there is someone more powerful than Hoid, but if there is I don't think they've been mentioned yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newan Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Way back at the Words of Radiance release, my friend asked Brandon Sanderson who would win in a fight between Szeth and Marsh. Brandon said that Marsh is pretty much an atium savant by now, so Marsh would win because it's hard to fight somebody who sees the future. Hoid, though. Isn't there a WoB somewhere that says Hoid's head would grow back if it was cut off? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesomness Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Hoid, though. Isn't there a WoB somewhere that says Hoid's head would grow back if it was cut off? Never read it (and I´m sure I´d remember if I would have read it) Storms, I´d like tu see that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newan Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Never read it (and I´m sure I´d remember if I would have read it) Storms, I´d like tu see that!! Blam! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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