LG112 - Pseudocycle Three: No Spoilers

[Myst He/Him]

9 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Wait a damn minute >>

Guys, Coco's was the first name given to me (because the results are given in player list order) so I didn't both going down the list because there was only 1 conversion in the first cycle, but I just went through the result again to make sure and there is another conversion.

Hoid Slayer has also been turned to a Coinshot (from a Shard). This means we have 2 pseudo-GMs. I guess the village has a pseudo-GM who was inactive in the first cycle. 

Bah. With how close Hoid Slayer is tied to Myst, and the difficult predicament it puts us in (need to kill a pseudo-elim to prevent a meta-pseudo-elim Coinshot from killing the rest of the pseudo-elim team), I am more inclined to believe Hoid Slayer's conversion is the elim-motivated one. 

Again. If I’m your only reason for thinking they’re going for a village win, you need to reconsider.

There’s 2 people you can exe right now. One of them is Elim.

If I’m Elim. Why is Hoid defending me? I flip Elim and he’s next

Why didn’t Ver vote Xino?

They couldn’t have known striker was going to move his vote, in order to have ensured I survived they would’ve needed to both vote for Xino.

Out of the two of them. Coco and Hoid. If I’m Elim, Coco is the only one distancing right now. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Hi guys I'm back I'll read through all that later just popping in quickly

I did not save Myst

And also, our PseudoGM has decided to strike again, as I have also been converted to a Tineye

Woop woop

(That was sarcastic)

(Should we be able to infer anything from them targeting pseudoelims?)

[Myst He/Him]

6 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Hi guys I'm back I'll read through all that later just popping in quickly

I did not save Myst

And also, our PseudoGM has decided to strike again, as I have also been converted to a Tineye

Woop woop

(That was sarcastic)

(Should we be able to infer anything from them targeting pseudoelims?)

Wait. If you didn’t who did? There is no reason for literally anyone to save me.

Village thinks I’m elim

elims im a good distraction 

And if you didn’t that takes out everyone who thinks I’m village

[CadCom he/him]

36 minutes ago, Myst said:

Wait. If you didn’t who did? There is no reason for literally anyone to save me.

Village thinks I’m elim

elims im a good distraction 

And if you didn’t that takes out everyone who thinks I’m village

I disagree.

ME!Myst benefits from a vote manip in that they survive longer. 

MV!Myst becomes a longer-term distraction against the real MEs if they survive.

Edited June 4 by CadCom

[Myst He/Him]

7 minutes ago, CadCom said:

MV!Myst becomes a longer-term distraction against the real MEs if they survive.

Fair enough. Either way that confirms a 4 person m!elim team though.

someone submitted the NK on Hopper

Someone changed Coco’s role(or Hoid if you prefer)

Ver scanned Striker’s role 

someone moved a vote to save me.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

3 hours ago, Myst said:

Yeah, Xino’s the only pseudo Elim who’s died. I tried to NK TJ, but he was on Sel. The closest anyone else has gotten is Striker with his last minute vote switch C1

Uhh why’d you try to NK TJ?

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

yeah my current working theory is that you and hoid are teamed and hoid is the mole. 

Y’all if I were elim with Myst I would not be this blatant

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

Wait a damn minute >>

Guys, Coco's was the first name given to me (because the results are given in player list order) so I didn't both going down the list because there was only 1 conversion in the first cycle, but I just went through the result again to make sure and there is another conversion.

Hoid Slayer has also been turned to a Coinshot (from a Shard). This means we have 2 pseudo-GMs. I guess the village has a pseudo-GM who was inactive in the first cycle. 

Bah. With how close Hoid Slayer is tied to Myst, and the difficult predicament it puts us in (need to kill a pseudo-elim to prevent a meta-pseudo-elim Coinshot from killing the rest of the pseudo-elim team), I am more inclined to believe Hoid Slayer's conversion is the elim-motivated one. 

Oh rusts

I REALLY shoulda checked this thread before making my previous post

Oh well

Yeah chat I lied

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Uhh why’d you try to NK TJ?

Well my options were you or TJ(I didn’t know of any other pseudo Elims) and I chose him. If I was meta Elim I would’ve just hit Hoid(or if he was my teammate, another pseudo Elim) 

My failed attempt at killing TJ suggests that if I’m Elim, there isn’t a mole.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Myst said:

Well my options were you or TJ(I didn’t know of any other pseudo Elims) and I chose him. If I was meta Elim I would’ve just hit Hoid(or if he was my teammate, another pseudo Elim) 

My failed attempt at killing TJ suggests that if I’m Elim, there isn’t a mole.

Alright this sounds prepared

Alright gang let's take a step back and analyze this PseudoGM/IM situation

TJ is Pseudo IM

There are two Pseudo GMs. One converted me, one converted Coco, both to Coinshots.

I know who converted me, and I fully trust them. We are not elims, and we did not take into account that the PseudoIM would be able to see the conversions.

We do not know who converted Coco

I am not elim (obviously, you can debate that, I will not).

If TJ is elim, then Coco is not elim (cause then he wouldn't be revealing that). If Coco is elim, then TJ is not elim, for the same reason.

I say we kill Coco.

The audacious hypocrite that I am, I don't want another Coinshot running around here. And I've also been suspicious of Coco before. This could be a legitimate elim slipup we can capitalize on, especially if the elims have another PseudoIM and thought themselves safe (which at this point, I wouldn't even roll out).

All in agreement?

 

[Myst He/Him]

29 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Alright this sounds prepared

Alright gang let's take a step back and analyze this PseudoGM/IM situation

TJ is Pseudo IM

There are two Pseudo GMs. One converted me, one converted Coco, both to Coinshots.

I know who converted me, and I fully trust them. We are not elims, and we did not take into account that the PseudoIM would be able to see the conversions.

We do not know who converted Coco

I am not elim (obviously, you can debate that, I will not).

If TJ is elim, then Coco is not elim (cause then he wouldn't be revealing that). If Coco is elim, then TJ is not elim, for the same reason.

I say we kill Coco.

The audacious hypocrite that I am, I don't want another Coinshot running around here. And I've also been suspicious of Coco before. This could be a legitimate elim slipup we can capitalize on, especially if the elims have another PseudoIM and thought themselves safe (which at this point, I wouldn't even roll out).

All in agreement?

 

I would’ve voted for coco myself if I could 

Also, worst case scenario you just NK her

Although I suppose she’ll just NK you back

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

5 minutes ago, Myst said:

I would’ve voted for coco myself if I could 

Also, worst case scenario you just NK her

Although I suppose she’ll just NK you back

Can we stop using NK for anything other han the actual NK?

Let’s call it sniping

[Myst He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Can we stop using NK for anything other han the actual NK?

Let’s call it sniping

Alright. I think you should snipe a fellow Elim teammate(not TJ cause Sel)

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Myst said:

Alright. I think you should snipe a fellow Elim teammate(not TJ cause Sel)

I don't think we should be targeting pseudo-elims this aggressively

[___ He/Him]

3 hours ago, CadCom said:

For those of you on high investiture planets, is it likely that someone would be able to collect 12 investiture already? Also for anyone else who was given a vanilla role, How high is your investiture count to transform into your potential role? Feel free to PM me if you don't want to share in the thread. 

Striker probably 

1 hour ago, Myst said:

Fair enough. Either way that confirms a 4 person m!elim team though.

someone submitted the NK on Hopper

Someone changed Coco’s role(or Hoid if you prefer)

Ver scanned Striker’s role 

someone moved a vote to save me.

That's assuming ver scanned anything at all

He easily could have been told that data from someone else, and that's why he messed up

We're already pretty sure he's ME, right?

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I don't think we should be targeting pseudo-elims this aggressively

Well, unless strikers elim(something I doubt considering what happened with Ver) No meta elim Has tried to kill a pseudo elim.

Neither Coco or Ver have pushed for any of them to go out.

For me that’s enough proof to justify killing off all the psuedo elim

2 minutes ago, ___ said:

Striker probably 

That's assuming ver scanned anything at all

He easily could have been told that data from someone else, and that's why he messed up

We're already pretty sure he's ME, right?

Yes we’re sure he’s ME, and I’d consider that except for the fact that Striker implied Ver was right about his role

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Yeah no at this point I’ve already let the cat out of the bag. I’m a Newbie, for now at least.

Anyway, I still think we should get Hoid, but I’d be willing to go for coco or…whoever it was that TJ revealed also changed. I can’t believe I already forgor.

EDIT: I’m also really offended that neither of the PseudoGMs are listening to my pleas to become a Coinshot. I promise I will only use this power for good.

[Myst He/Him]

7 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Yeah no at this point I’ve already let the cat out of the bag. I’m a Newbie, for now at least.

Anyway, I still think we should get Hoid, but I’d be willing to go for coco or…whoever it was that TJ revealed also changed. I can’t believe I already forgor.

EDIT: I’m also really offended that neither of the PseudoGMs are listening to my pleas to become a Coinshot. I promise I will only use this power for good.

Hoid and Coco btw

[coco.pudding she/they]

hey folks, sorry I haven’t been super active today. I’ve been packing for my trip and of course I procrastinated to the last minute so I’m super busy today

speaking of that, this is the last cycle I’ll be able to be at my usual activity level. After this I’ll have considerably less time and it will be at specific times throughout the day. But I will still be somewhat active if I can.

So it’s clear to me that there are two pseudoGMs. One is likely village and one is likely elim. I do not know who changed me. I find it somewhat concerning that Hoid does.

As I said earlier, I am willing to put in the kill on whoever y’all think would be best. I’m still unsure on the elim bet so if y’all have ideas, I’d love to hear it.

1 hour ago, Hoid Slayer said:

The audacious hypocrite that I am, I don't want another Coinshot running around here. And I've also been suspicious of Coco before. This could be a legitimate elim slipup we can capitalize on, especially if the elims have another PseudoIM and thought themselves safe (which at this point, I wouldn't even roll out).

Okay, same reasoning can be applied to you though.

I’ve been sus of Hoid for a while, especially after how much he’s been defending Myst. I don’t like that he knows who turned him (that implies he asked for it, and I do think based on what’s been happening the last few cycles actively wanting to be a coinshot is kind of suspicious. (Yes Striker I’m looking at you too, sorry)

Hoid

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

28 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I’m also really offended that neither of the PseudoGMs are listening to my pleas to become a Coinshot.

Haha imagine

18 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Okay, same reasoning can be applied to you though.

Never said it couldn’t 

There ought to be a name for this scenario, one of us knows we’re innocent the other (I would hope) knows we’re guilty but neither of us can prove anything and we just gotta hope the others back us

Imagine we’re both village and w ensure waste two cycles getting rid of both of us

19 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I don’t like that he knows who turned him

I’m more concerned that you don’t

19 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

(Yes Striker I’m looking at you too, sorry)

In Striker’s defense I’m fairly certain it’s mostly a joke I mean he’d love it but bro does not actually expect a PseudoGM to randomly trust him with that

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Imagine we’re both village and w ensure waste two cycles getting rid of both of us

Now that would be funny

[StrikerEZ he/him]

26 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

(Yes Striker I’m looking at you too, sorry)

I’d want to be a coinshot right now regardless of my alignment. I like murdering people in the game about murdering people.

6 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

In Striker’s defense I’m fairly certain it’s mostly a joke I mean he’d love it but bro does not actually expect a PseudoGM to randomly trust him with that

No I’m actually genuinely so sad it hasn’t happened yet. I keep asking and no one’s done it yet. It would be so funny. Think about what shenanigans I could get up to if I could murder!!

[Myst He/Him]

I’m kinda sad that Hoid isn’t an agent of chaos. He could’ve nuked half the player base if he wanted to

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Myst said:

I’m kinda sad that Hoid isn’t an agent of chaos. He could’ve nuked half the player base if he wanted to

I legitimately don’t know what you mean by that

Also waitup what do you mean you’re sad Hoid “isn’t an agent of chaos”? How do you know I’m not a meta-elim defending a villager for the cred when you die, hmm?

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I legitimately don’t know what you mean by that

Also waitup what do you mean you’re sad Hoid “isn’t an agent of chaos”? How do you know I’m not a meta-elim defending a villager for the cred when you die, hmm?

I mentioned it C1 somewhere to you

Also I don’t think you are, if you wanted the village cred from me dying you would’ve let me die instead of having the Elim team save me

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

5 hours ago, Myst said:

Fair enough, but she can always clarify. Also, as TJ said, she’s probably going to be the last one exed. Speaking of TJ

@|TJ| they need someone to submit the kill. Again, I think 3 elims(means only one person will get revealed if they lose rather than the two if they have 4, and 4 elims after conversion isn’t bad) 

Ver used his retiree to find Strikers role

Coco(probably the gm) changed her role to coinshot 

Someone submitted the NK

and a vote was moved off of me. With a 3 man m!elim team, one of them is probably vanilla in the meta game.

Also, @The Unknown Medallion @Through the living Wahr how much investiture do you need to graduate from being vanilla in the psuedo game?

Because I don’t think she even would have enough investiture as of now. Unless she pulled a striker

6 and 12

[Qianweilian He/him]

Okay, let's look at this (sorry for my relative inactivity, I had orientation for my job). Unless TJ is lying (which I doubt), Coco and Slayerman have both been changed to Coinshot. (let's not call it converted as there's a possibility for actual conversions)  Of those, Hoid is one of the candidates who may have saved Myst. Whereas, Coco didn't even vote last cycle, so I doubt that she and Myst are melim teammates.

Hoid also says that he fully trusts the person who made him Coinshot, which I think would only be possible if either Hoid scanned him, which wouldn't be possible if Hoid is also thread controller, or if they are both melims. Considering the already mounting suspicion on Hoid, I suspect the latter.

Hoid has also been less active (though I can't really blame him for that myself), suggesting that he wants to stay out of the spotlight. (also can't blame him for that being a coinshot) Unfortunately, this is also suspicious.

Additionally, if Hoid is exed in the meta game after this and confirmed village, that gives us information, as he can tell us who's the GM he trusts, narrow down who saved Myst, etc.