QF79 Cycle 4 - How did this happen? We're smarter than this.

[___ He/Him]

1 minute ago, Verdance said:

To be completely fair, this is mainly based on vibes and also how they have been accused and not exe’d in the past, with a bit of Drake’s logic convincing me as well.

Wouldn't being accused and not exed be more incriminating?

[Verdance he/him]

4 minutes ago, ___ said:

Wouldn't being accused and not exed be more incriminating?

Statistically, its much more likely for a villager to get accused

 

you do realize that my playstyle involves 

a: PMing Myst and asking what he wants me to do

then after Myst dies,

b: proceeding without any logic or skill at all, trusting my instincts which usually get me killed 

Edited May 12 by Verdance

[___ He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Statistically, its much more likely for a villager to get accused

you do realize that my playstyle involves 

a: PMing Myst and asking what he wants me to do

then after Myst dies,

b: proceeding without any logic or skill at all, trusting my instincts which usually get me killed 

Ah well we're similar then

[coco.pudding she/they]

5 minutes ago, ___ said:

I want to take a look at Ver because from what I've seen, coco has been giving good arguments, yet you seem to be more and more inclined that star and drake are V which seems weird to me

Absolutely agreed on Ver. However. Would you possibly be willing to vote on one of the existing trains instead though (at least before rollover comes around) so we can make sure we actually get one out?

3 minutes ago, Verdance said:

To be completely fair, this is mainly based on vibes and also how they have been accused and not exe’d in the past, with a bit of Drake’s logic convincing me as well.

Being accused but not exed is a pretty normal thing for SE tho? Some people have thought I’m suspicious but others have been more suspicious so I haven’t been a viable train until today. This is pretty typical. (iirc your first game was the Harry Potter one right? Both of your games have been pretty not typical games so I can understand why you wouldn’t know that. But now you do!)

Um. What logic tho? If there’s an argument of his other than “nah you’re lying” that I haven’t debunked please do point it out, because to me it all just seems like scrambling to find a good argument and falling completely short.

2 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Statistically, its much more likely for a villager to get accused

You do realize this is an argument against the one you just tried to make it your last post, right?

Anyways a reminder to @The Unknown Medallion it looks like you’re the only one who hasn’t voted yet.

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, coco.pudding said:

Absolutely agreed on Ver. However. Would you possibly be willing to vote on one of the existing trains instead though (at least before rollover comes around) so we can make sure we actually get one out?

Being accused but not exed is a pretty normal thing for SE tho? Some people have thought I’m suspicious but others have been more suspicious so I haven’t been a viable train until today. This is pretty typical. (iirc your first game was the Harry Potter one right? Both of your games have been pretty not typical games so I can understand why you wouldn’t know that. But now you do!)

Um. What logic tho? If there’s an argument of his other than “nah you’re lying” that I haven’t debunked please do point it out, because to me it all just seems like scrambling to find a good argument and falling completely short.

You do realize this is an argument against the one you just tried to make it your last post, right?

Anyways a reminder to @The Unknown Medallion it looks like you’re the only one who hasn’t voted yet.

Yeah uh i have no idea who the elim is. Every time i suspect someone, they turn around and find some sort of excellent alibi or logic that clears them, and people i thought i might trust seem to be suspect by the general village

Again you can look at my games half the time i just listen to Myst

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 minute ago, Verdance said:

Yeah uh i have no idea who the elim is. Every time i suspect someone, they turn around and find some sort of excellent alibi or logic that clears them, and people i thought i might trust seem to be suspect by the general village

If it makes you feel better, I also really wanted to trust Drake. He and Myst were the people I was most certain were village before this cycle. But he and Star are both lying, and the way they’ve reacted and especially the arguments Drake is trying to make, have completely changed that for me. So I totally relate to that not knowing who it is or who to trust. But I am completely certain I know who two of the elims are now, and I’m going to do the best I can to get them exed.

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, coco.pudding said:

If it makes you feel better, I also really wanted to trust Drake. He and Myst were the people I was most certain were village before this cycle. But he and Star are both lying, and the way they’ve reacted and especially the arguments Drake is trying to make, have completely changed that for me. So I totally relate to that not knowing who it is or who to trust. But I am completely certain I know who two of the elims are now, and I’m going to do the best I can to get them exed.

Thats what Myst said? 
maybe im jumping to agro cause im confused, you can go back in neutral ig

 Coco

[StrikerEZ he/him]

I apologize for the formatting errors that are about to occur since I’m on mobile, but now felt like a good time to plop down an Official Vote Count™ since I’m about to be busy for a bit.

coco.pudding (2): Through the Living Star, DrakeMarshall

Through the Living Star (2): coco.pudding, Through the living Wahr

Verdance (1): ___ (Mippo)

___ (Mippo) (1): IcedOutPenguin

 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

just going to go on record guessing Coco/TUM/Mippo as the elim team

leaning more village on Wahr at the moment, in that I don't think Coco makes as much effort to canvas Wahr in the thread if they're teamed. I mean it could be a bit of elim theater I guess but. I don't rly think so.

38 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I actually did that scan in cycle 2, by which point quite a few people had PMs. This is a fact that we know. Besides, that’s a terrible thing to try to lie about. If I was wrong I’d be called out immediately. That’s an insane choice to make that would probably end with me immediately getting exed. Why would I do that?

Um, what? One of us three is getting exed today. If it’s one of you two and you flip village, they know to exe me next cycle. Why would they then choose to exe the other one? Just to be sure? That doesn’t make any sense. What is your argument here?

So uh, you got any arguments based on actual logic and sensical decision making?

I mean, I've said why I don't think your claim holds up. Apart from my knowing that it's fake

you're legit claiming to be a triple seeker here

There's also the timing. In a parallel universe where I was a bystander in this whole thing, I'd like to think I'd still choose to believe the person making a sudden big push here at what's certainly LyLo is probably the elim here. Especially if they were under suspicion before then. Especially if they're denying it's LyLo.

And it's not like the timing is an accident it's not like you're saying "oh well I just shared the info as soon as I got it" you're claiming you had three results yesterday but only brought the interesting one up now. When the village no longer has any margin for error and we lose if we get it wrong. There isn't really much reason to do it like that if the claim were genuine. It only helps you secure the last needed mis-execution in order for the elims to win, at which point it doesn't matter how suspicious you look.

I really don't think it's just your word and credibility against mine and Star's. I think there's details around the circumstances of this claim that we can examine which make the answer pretty findable.

But maybe I'm biased.

I definitely am biased. With respect I don't think us thunderdoming is going to do much good here going forward, sorry. Maybe we should focus on making our cases to the other players instead.

[coco.pudding she/they]

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

you're legit claiming to be a triple seeker here

I’ve never played with that ruleset (that’s the AG ruleset right?) so can you explain to me what that is? Bc my understanding is that it’s a different thing.

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Especially if they're denying it's LyLo.

I’ve never denied it’s LyLo. I’ve said multiple times that if we don’t get an elim here we end up in that 3v3 scenario where village loses. Is that not LyLo?

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

you're claiming you had three results yesterday but only brought the interesting one up now.

It wasn’t an interesting result until Star lied about it. And since she didn’t lie about it until this cycle, I didn’t bring it up until this cycle.

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

It only helps you secure the last needed mis-execution in order for the elims to win, at which point it doesn't matter how suspicious you look.

I could say exactly the same about you two. All you need is one more misexe and then it doesn’t matter that you pushed this hard on a villager, you still win.

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

With respect I don't think us thunderdoming is going to do much good here going forward, sorry. Maybe we should focus on making our cases to the other players instead.

I’d like to think that my picking apart the holes in your logic is me making the case to other players.

Edited May 12 by coco.pudding

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

13 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Thats what Myst said? 
maybe im jumping to agro cause im confused, you can go back in neutral ig

 Coco

...to be clear, I don't think Myst said any of that, Coco is saying that

Myst was actually pretty storming paranoid of Coco in our PM together, much moreso than I was at that point. I was the one telling Myst we should wait and see what Coco does before deciding anything

...I don't actually think you should just follow the opinions of another player unquestioningly, but in this specific instance I suppose it works 

I'm sorry to be pushy but I'm worried the elims show up and vote the wrong person at the end of the day if we can't build enough consensus at the end of the day

[coco.pudding she/they]

3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Myst was actually pretty storming paranoid of Coco in our PM together, much moreso than I was at that point. I was the one telling Myst we should wait and see what Coco does before deciding anything

Ah yes, “a dead player told me they didn’t trust her.” Yeah Myst didn’t trust me. Mostly because of the Fizz thing. Which I have been proven correct about.

5 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

...I don't actually think you should just follow the opinions of another player unquestioningly, but in this specific instance I suppose it works 

My guy. Why are we being hypocritical now?

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I'm sorry to be pushy but I'm worried the elims show up and vote the wrong person at the end of the day if we can't build enough consensus at the end of the day

I actually kind of agree on this one. We really can’t afford to misexe today so we should try to consolidate the votes as much as possible. (I don’t think the elims showing up to vote is much of a threat though since two of the probably three have already voted)

[Verdance he/him]

15 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

...to be clear, I don't think Myst said any of that, Coco is saying that

Myst was actually pretty storming paranoid of Coco in our PM together, much moreso than I was at that point. I was the one telling Myst we should wait and see what Coco does before deciding anything

...I don't actually think you should just follow the opinions of another player unquestioningly, but in this specific instance I suppose it works 

I'm sorry to be pushy but I'm worried the elims show up and vote the wrong person at the end of the day if we can't build enough consensus at the end of the day

I meant Myst said he knew who the elims were for sure

so even if i take v!coco for granted im not going to take her words for granted

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

9 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I’ve never played with that ruleset (that’s the AG ruleset right?) so can you explain to me what that is? Bc my understanding is that it’s a different thing.

It's an info role that provides alignments of players

you are claiming to be an info role that provides alignments of players.

we can split hairs, but the shoe fits.

only you're saying you're triple the power of a normal one, which is already the strongest role in the game. You understand why that might not make a lot of sense.

You can argue that it's not exactly a pure alignment scan, but. Look. Either it's expected to be as good as one, or it isn't.

If it's not expected to be as good as one, then there's the additional implausibility that you're saying you got functionally 4 scans off in 1 night. Even ignoring that the second two were only brought up later.

If it is expected to be as good as one, then a triple seeker is extremely silly.

Either way.

9 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I’ve never denied it’s LyLo. I’ve said multiple times that if we don’t get an elim here we end up in that 3v3 scenario where village loses. Is that not LyLo?

...well, I think I've got you. That's not true and I can prove it.

2 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Now one thing that makes Cocos claim more believable to me is that she has basically created a scenario where Drake and Star have to be e/e

which is risky, because if one of them flips v she is doomed. Which is always a risky gambit, especially if there is the risk of softclearing another Villager via NK, I mean its pretty clear that this is a High Power Game so there could be more Hyperjumps be out there and if tjey hit them with a NK while Star or Drake flip as V then they have a real problem.

Wahr makes the mistake of thinking we can just sort this out tomorrow if we get it wrong, and instead of correcting them, you reinforce it:

2 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

See the super fun thing is that the opposite is also true. If I die and flip village, they’re both doomed, since everyone will know at that point I’m telling the truth, and they’ll both be exed. Obviously I’d rather not be exed today since that would get us into a lovely little 3v3 situation that I’m not sure village can make it through, but I take comfort in knowing that if I am at least everyone will know I’m right and hopefully vote them out.

You are saying here that everything is fine and Wahr's reasoning for voting Star is totally correct. It isn't.

I've got to go but Coco is pretty obviously lying here in a way that helps her case and is misleading about the situation the village is currently in so maybe that helps people sort things out. Coco is saying a lot of things but saying a lot of things doesn't make you right and a lot of these things don't agree

I won't be on at rollover. We're probably going to lose  But whatever happens it's been an honor 

I'm reluctantly impressed.

[Verdance he/him]

Okay. Can someone other than Coco or Myst try and convince me of something, or lay all the facts out? 
cause i am not sure what to do

one thing i do find suspicious- Myst calls out Fizz, Coco, and TUM. He dies, we find out Fizz was village. Coco is… ambiguous. But TUM completely disappears from chat. Won’t speak. Won’t vote. 
Is he lying low? 

[Stardust She/Her]

Sorry for the late response guys, but here's everything I have to say. 

 

4 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

I don’t know if you did this, I’m just assuming you did since the elims would obviously want to inhibit me so I can’t clear any more villagers/discover a connection between elims, and you are the only elim inhibitor I know of.

First of all, I am not an Elim, and second of all I did not inhibit you. I'm not going to be able to say anything  to change your mind, so I am going to move away from this, but still, I did not inhibit you. 

4 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

Oh, and another thing: Yall could have avoided this whole mess by simply saying “oh, I forgot, yeah I have a pm with Drake too” and that would have been considerably less suspicious. But you didn’t. And now we’re here.

EXACTLY. 

If I was an Elim, it would be way to easy to claim I had a PM with the other elims. That clears me from interceptors. You gotta give me enough credit to be smarter than that. And if I had forgotten or misread a rule or something, it would be so much easier to just claim "oh yeah, my bad, I forgot about that." But I'm not. I feel like that has to show something. 

 

... If I think of anything else I will post something else, but for now that is it. I am telling the truth- I do not have a PM with Drake, and I did not inhibit coco. 

(It feels like there is something I'm forgetting to say, so you will probably hear from me soon) 

[coco.pudding she/they]

Just now, DrakeMarshall said:

you are claiming to be an info role that provides alignments of players

It does not provide alignments. Each action I can target one person. Then I am told one person they have a pm with. If they do not have pms, I am told that. Elim doc also shows up as a pm. That means if they don’t have pms I can clear them, but if they do I have no way of knowing if it’s a normal pm or the elim doc. The only reason I believe you two are elims is because a pair of villagers would have no reason to lie about having a pm with each other.

I cannot scan for alignments, not really. I just got lucky and scanned two players who didn’t have PMs.

3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

You understand why that might not make a lot of sense.

Yeah I do. But it’s the role and number of actions I was given, so ig the GMs were fine with it. My assumption is they balanced it by not giving the role to anyone else. You can disbelieve that all you want, but it is true.

5 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

You are saying here that everything is fine and Wahr's reasoning for voting Star is totally correct. It isn't.

So, that’s not what I’m saying? See the little part where I said “that puts us in the 3v3 that village doesn’t survive?” I’m saying that if I do get exed everyone will know I was telling the truth, and what will likely follow that is both of you getting exed. Which is also what Wahr was saying, and is in fact correct. Yes, we do almost certainly lose in that scenario, but that doesn’t make it any less true.

So no, I’ve never denied that it’s LyLo.

8 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I've got to go but Coco is pretty obviously lying here in a way that helps her case and is misleading about the situation the village is currently in so maybe that helps people sort things out. Coco is saying a lot of things but saying a lot of things doesn't make you right and a lot of these things don't agree

Let’s play a fun game!

Spoiler

Drake is pretty obviously lying here in a way that helps his case and is misleading about the situation the village is currently in so maybe that helps people sort things out. Drake is saying a lot of things but saying a lot of things doesn’t make you right and a lot of these things don’t agree.

Anyways I have in fact been repeating exactly the same story this entire time. My story has never changed. I have remained consistent throughout the game. You, on the other hand, have not. Your arguments don’t make sense and aren’t rooted in logic, which I have pointed out multiple times. You have even straight up lied about things I have said in an attempt to make my side seem less genuine. You’re jumping between arguments and trying to debate the tiniest things to find holes in my story and it’s simply not working.

[Verdance he/him]

6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

It does not provide alignments. Each action I can target one person. Then I am told one person they have a pm with. If they do not have pms, I am told that. Elim doc also shows up as a pm. That means if they don’t have pms I can clear them, but if they do I have no way of knowing if it’s a normal pm or the elim doc. The only reason I believe you two are elims is because a pair of villagers would have no reason to lie about having a pm with each other.

I cannot scan for alignments, not really. I just got lucky and scanned two players who didn’t have PMs.

Yeah I do. But it’s the role and number of actions I was given, so ig the GMs were fine with it. My assumption is they balanced it by not giving the role to anyone else. You can disbelieve that all you want, but it is true.

So, that’s not what I’m saying? See the little part where I said “that puts us in the 3v3 that village doesn’t survive?” I’m saying that if I do get exed everyone will know I was telling the truth, and what will likely follow that is both of you getting exed. Which is also what Wahr was saying, and is in fact correct. Yes, we do almost certainly lose in that scenario, but that doesn’t make it any less true.

So no, I’ve never denied that it’s LyLo.

Let’s play a fun game!

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Drake is pretty obviously lying here in a way that helps his case and is misleading about the situation the village is currently in so maybe that helps people sort things out. Drake is saying a lot of things but saying a lot of things doesn’t make you right and a lot of these things don’t agree.

Anyways I have in fact been repeating exactly the same story this entire time. My story has never changed. I have remained consistent throughout the game. You, on the other hand, have not. Your arguments don’t make sense and aren’t rooted in logic, which I have pointed out multiple times. You have even straight up lied about things I have said in an attempt to make my side seem less genuine. You’re jumping between arguments and trying to debate the tiniest things to find holes in my story and it’s simply not working.

Ahhh

so now i want to believe you more than coco

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Ahhh

so now i want to believe you more than coco

Ver, I am a bit confused, you quote coco (who explained her ability) and are saying that you want to believe her more than coco. Did you quote the wrong Person? Did you meant to say that you believe her more than Drake and this is only a typo?

Edited May 12 by Through the living Wahr

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, Through the living Wahr said:

Ver, I am a bit confused, you quote coco (who explained her ability) and are saying that you want to believe her more than coco. Did you quote the wrong Person? Did you meant to say that you believe her more than Drake and this is only a typo?

Oops, thought i quoted Star

scrolling on mobile can get confusing sometimes when im not fully reading everything (hey why dont i do that that would be a wise decision)

also uh did anyone see what I wrote about TUM?

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

So, of the 2 exeing options atm I am leaning towards Star

[coco.pudding she/they]

Just now, Verdance said:

also uh did anyone see what I wrote about TUM?

Yes. I just figured you might not want me to respond since you asked for someone other than me to explain things.

But uh hey @The Unknown Medallion whatcha thinking?

[Stardust She/Her]

1 minute ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

So, of the 2 exeing options atm I am leaning towards Star

Can I ask why? 

2 minutes ago, Verdance said:

also uh did anyone see what I wrote about TUM?

I saw it after I posted. it is a valid theory, but I think people are pretty rigidly focused on Star v coco right now

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, coco.pudding said:

Absolutely agreed on Ver. However. Would you possibly be willing to vote on one of the existing trains instead though (at least before rollover comes around) so we can make sure we actually get one out?

Being accused but not exed is a pretty normal thing for SE tho? Some people have thought I’m suspicious but others have been more suspicious so I haven’t been a viable train until today. This is pretty typical. (iirc your first game was the Harry Potter one right? Both of your games have been pretty not typical games so I can understand why you wouldn’t know that. But now you do!)

Um. What logic tho? If there’s an argument of his other than “nah you’re lying” that I haven’t debunked please do point it out, because to me it all just seems like scrambling to find a good argument and falling completely short.

You do realize this is an argument against the one you just tried to make it your last post, right?

Anyways a reminder to @The Unknown Medallion it looks like you’re the only one who hasn’t voted yet.

Yeah, I was working on a rather long post that I lost unfortunately. 

I've got two things. Why does e!Coco choose Drake of all people to go after here? They could chose anyone, and they chose an experienced player who will threadbrawl. Coco is also feeling very similar tonally to when we've pushed v!Coco before imo.

Therefore: Star

[Verdance he/him]

2 minutes ago, Through The Living Star said:

Can I ask why? 

I saw it after I posted. it is a valid theory, but I think people are pretty rigidly focused on Star v coco right now

If it’s Star vs. Coco, I would vote against Coco. I am more interested in TUM rn though, and also why did i join the mippo vote train and is it still a thing