QF79 Cycle 4 - How did this happen? We're smarter than this.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

11 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Very interesting. This is in fact a lie. You also have a PM with Drake. Very curious indeed.

I don't have a PM with Star.

Also, are you claiming to have 3 scans a cycle now?

Coco.

18 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I couldn’t have done much either way, with how many votes were already on him and how limited my time was today. So I elected to not.

you're just making things up at this point  Fizz only had three votes

what is even going on

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 minute ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I don't have a PM with Star.

Also, are you claiming to have 3 scans a cycle now?

Okay. You can claim that.

And yes, I am claiming I have three actions. Please keep in mind that I never overtly claimed any number of actions and any extrapolation on your part was entirely yours. This is not something I have lied about.

2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

you're just making things up at this point  Fizz only had three votes

Three is a lot compared to just me when everyone that’s active is completely tunneled on Fizz.

3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

what is even going on

I do believe what’s going on is you’re scrambling to frame me so you can survive one more cycle. I’m fine with that. Even if you do exe me this cycle, I’ve identified two elims and two confirmed villagers. If I die and flip village, you’re even more screwed.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

24 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

And yes, I am claiming I have three actions. Please keep in mind that I never overtly claimed any number of actions and any extrapolation on your part was entirely yours. This is not something I have lied about.

I'm not saying you previously claimed a different number of actions, I'm saying you don't have 3

24 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Three is a lot compared to just me when everyone that’s active is completely tunneled on Fizz.

with respect, it's really not

24 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I do believe what’s going on is you’re scrambling to frame me so you can survive one more cycle. I’m fine with that. Even if you do exe me this cycle, I’ve identified two elims and two confirmed villagers. If I die and flip village, you’re even more screwed.

.....yeah so this is just a lie pretty much

let's reassess some things:

there's 8 players alive right now.

There could very well be 3 elims. Three elims out of 12 would be 25%, and while I'm often telling GMs to put less than 25% elims, it's actually fairly reasonable in a high-power game like this one. In the very least it makes a lot more sense than the other alternatives.

That means a probable 5 v 3. If we execute village today and the elims kill again, that brings us down to 3 v 3. Not technically an elim victory per the win conditions, but pretty grim for the village even with some elims outed. Like at that point it's a coin flip if the village can vote out elims even if everyone votes for an elim. And even if the village wins the coin toss multiple times and it gets down to 1v1 the elims still win.

...so I was incorrect. We cannot in fact afford to take our time with sorting out Coco and Mippo. The elims wouldn't be forcing the issue otherwise. Coco and Mippo are probably teamed, then, because I doubt there's any use in disrupting the vote if there's already a villager on the chopping block. Coco is the more sure thing though, in that I don't particularly buy this is a reaction test gone wrong.

@Verdance @___ @Through The Living Star @Through the living Wahr @IcedOutPenguin sorry for the ping but it is probably a good idea to vote today

not gonna tell you how to vote, but, read the conversation between me and coco immediately above this message please

(edit: to Star in particular though, Coco claims to have used an ability to scan that we share a PM, and is currently trying to get you voted out based on that. I know you've been somewhat hesitant to vote people so far which is kinda fair but in my estimation it is very definitely in your interest to vote Coco here)

Edited May 12 by DrakeMarshall

[coco.pudding she/they]

18 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

with respect, it's really not

No? Not when nearly everyone else was a) completely tunneled on Fizz and b) distrusting everything I said? I’d say that’s pretty good odds it wouldn’t have worked out.
But that’s not really what we need to be focused on right now anyways. Kindly stop steering the conversation in an unproductive direction, thank you!

18 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

.....yeah so this is just a lie pretty much

If you say so, I guess.

18 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

There could very well be 3 elims. Three elims out of 12 would be 25%, and while I'm often telling GMs to put less than 25% elims, it's actually fairly reasonable in a high-power game like this one. In the very least it makes a lot more sense than the other alternatives.

That means a probable 5 v 3. If we execute village today and the elims kill again, that brings us down to 3 v 3. Not technically an elim victory per the win conditions, but pretty grim for the village even with some elims outed. Like at that point it's a coin flip if the village can vote out elims even if everyone votes for an elim. And even if the village wins the coin toss multiple times and it gets down to 1v1 the elims still win.

I believe this is accurate. If we don’t get an elim today, we are pretty much screwed.

Luckily, I’ve just caught two people in a lie that pretty much guarantees they’re elims! Isn’t that fun?

Just for all the doubters out there, here are my actions. Cycle 1: got inhibited. Cycle 2: scanned Wahr, TUM, and Drake. Wahr and TUM both have no PMs. Drake has a pm with Star. Cycle 3: inhibited again.

@Through the living Wahr and @The Unknown Medallion would yall mind confirming that you have no PMs? If my claim is invalid and I did not scan you, there would be no possible way for me to know this. Also, you both lose nothing by confirming this.

I asked Star this cycle if she had PMs with anyone, as I figured if she is elim she would likely lie about it. Lo and behold, she did, and now Drake is as well. This pretty much confirms for me that they are elims together.
I would like to vote Star first because she’s likely the one who inhibited me and I would like to be able to use my ability.

Edited May 12 by coco.pudding

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

@DrakeMarshall I already voted for ___/mippo

Regarding Coco, I kind of want to believe her, because she is saying the truth about me having no PMs the things is I have communicated that previously, (you remember Coco lamenting having no PMs and me saying that I too had no PMs) and If I remember correctly, this happened before her Claim regarding her Scan Results. I am also plagued by the fear that this is a Doc Situation (he fooled me twice with fake scan results, the first time was a similar situation where I believed he was village based on him claiming that je scanned me as village)

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

6 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

@Verdance @___ @Through The Living Star @Through the living Wahr @IcedOutPenguin sorry for the ping but it is probably a good idea to vote today

I already voted, I don't know why your pinging me

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

I think Drake pinged everyone that didnt vote last cycle

[Verdance he/him]

I’m really not quite sure what’s going on here, to be honest. I’ll give Coco one round of benefit of the doubt, and vote _____/Mippo

[StrikerEZ he/him]

@Verdance @coco.pudding @___ @Through The Living Star @Through the living Wahr @DrakeMarshall @IcedOutPenguin @The Unknown Medallion Heads up that we’re gonna need to delay rollover by an hour today probably. I’ll be busy at normal rollover time. So the Cycle will close at 8 pm CDT. So you now have just under 12 hours to get any and all votes/actions in.

Not doing a proper VC right now because I’m on mobile.

[Verdance he/him]

_____/Mippo (3): Penguin, Wahr, Verdance

Penguin (1): _____/Mippo

Star: (1): Coco

Coco (1): Drake

[Stardust She/Her]

9 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

Very interesting. This is in fact a lie. You also have a PM with Drake. Very curious indeed.

I couldn’t have done much either way, with how many votes were already on him and how limited my time was today. So I elected to not.

Anyways I would like to propose an elim team consisting of Star, Drake, and one other.

8 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

I asked Star this cycle if she had PMs with anyone, as I figured if she is elim she would likely lie about it. Lo and behold, she did, and now Drake is as well. This pretty much confirms for me that they are elims together.
I would like to vote Star first because she’s likely the one who inhibited me and I would like to be able to use my ability.

Okay, let's get this straight. 

You are accusing me of two things:

1) Lying about having a PM with Drake

2) Inhibiting you

Neither of these things I did.

I do not have a PM with Drake. He's already confirmed that, and if you need more proof, I'll give you this. If I was an Elim, why would I lie? Seriously, you had just said you were an intercepter. I've read the rules- the elim doc counts as a PM. So if I was an Elim, would I lie? Especially when you could have incriminating proof against me?

Second, I DID NOT INHIBIT YOU. Seriously, I protected myself. I'm tired of you saying that I did. I can't prove this, but seriously, I didn't inhibit you.

Just because I am the only Inhibitor you know of does not mean that I am the one that inhibited you. I'd be willing to bet there is at least one other inhibitor out there (actually, there has to be, because I didn't inhibit you). I'm just the only one that you know of because Fizz told everyone what we talked about in our PM!

I've been debating who to vote, you or Mippo, but then you accused me. 

Coco

 

[Verdance he/him]

24 minutes ago, Through The Living Star said:

Okay, let's get this straight. 

You are accusing me of two things:

1) Lying about having a PM with Drake

2) Inhibiting you

Neither of these things I did.

I do not have a PM with Drake. He's already confirmed that, and if you need more proof, I'll give you this. If I was an Elim, why would I lie? Seriously, you had just said you were an intercepter. I've read the rules- the elim doc counts as a PM. So if I was an Elim, would I lie? Especially when you could have incriminating proof against me?

Second, I DID NOT INHIBIT YOU. Seriously, I protected myself. I'm tired of you saying that I did. I can't prove this, but seriously, I didn't inhibit you.

Just because I am the only Inhibitor you know of does not mean that I am the one that inhibited you. I'd be willing to bet there is at least one other inhibitor out there (actually, there has to be, because I didn't inhibit you). I'm just the only one that you know of because Fizz told everyone what we talked about in our PM!

I've been debating who to vote, you or Mippo, but then you accused me. 

Coco

 

I keep seeing stuff like this and saying, “ill give Coco the benefit of the doubt, i was wrong about Fizz,” but Coco just keeps lying. She was on Myst’s list, and Myst near the end said he was possibly wrong about TUM and we know he was wrong about Fizz, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be right about Coco. 
_____/Mippo, Coco.

—

_____/Mippo (2): Penguin, Wahr

Penguin (1): _____/Mippo

Star: (1): Coco

Coco (3): Drake, Star, Verdance

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 hours ago, Through The Living Star said:

1) Lying about having a PM with Drake

Yes. I scanned Drake during the second cycle and it said he had a pm with you. When asked, you said you only had pms with Ver and Fizz. The only reason you would lie about this is if it’s not a pm and is instead the elim doc.

2 hours ago, Through The Living Star said:

2) Inhibiting you

I don’t know if you did this, I’m just assuming you did since the elims would obviously want to inhibit me so I can’t clear any more villagers/discover a connection between elims, and you are the only elim inhibitor I know of.

2 hours ago, Through The Living Star said:

He's already confirmed that

Yeah, but he’s lying about that too, so that’s not particularly helpful.

2 hours ago, Through The Living Star said:

why would I lie?

I don’t know what’s going on in your head. I did purposely phrase it in a way that indicated I had not scanned you yet, and I’m assuming you felt safe knowing I had been inhibited and couldn’t possibly have more information than I had had in the previous cycle. That was my intention. If you aren’t an elim, you have nothing to hide, and therefore nothing to lie about. Both you and Drake’s reactions to this indicate to me even further than you are both elims.

I would like to point out to everyone that neither of them have made any arguments except “nuh uh” and “gms wouldn’t balance the game like that.” These are not good arguments, and to me just prove it further that they are scrambling.

Oh, and another thing: Yall could have avoided this whole mess by simply saying “oh, I forgot, yeah I have a pm with Drake too” and that would have been considerably less suspicious. But you didn’t. And now we’re here.

2 hours ago, Verdance said:

he can’t be right about Coco. 

The biggest reason he was sus of me was because he thought me and Fizz were elims together. He started campaigning against me after I switched off of Fizz and started defending him. Turns out I was right about Fizz not being an elim. So Myst’s “evidence” against me was proven to be untrue, he just didn’t get a chance to say it.

10 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said:

@DrakeMarshall I already voted for ___/mippo

Regarding Coco, I kind of want to believe her, because she is saying the truth about me having no PMs the things is I have communicated that previously, (you remember Coco lamenting having no PMs and me saying that I too had no PMs) and If I remember correctly, this happened before her Claim regarding her Scan Results. I am also plagued by the fear that this is a Doc Situation (he fooled me twice with fake scan results, the first time was a similar situation where I believed he was village based on him claiming that je scanned me as village)

It did happen before, yes. I hadn’t gotten results in by that time since it was still cycle two and I was blocked cycle one.

This is not a Doc situation. Doc was confirmed a villager at that point (or so we thought). I am not, and therefore the elims are able to turn it back around onto me.

Anyways, if you vote for either Star or Drake with me, I can prove that I’m telling the truth, and we won’t end up in a situation with 3 on 3 where village is basically doomed. If I’m wrong, feel free to vote me after, but I promise you I have not lied about anything this entire game, and I am 100% confident Drake and Star are elims.

I don’t think there’s much to be gained this cycle by voting mippo. The discussion so far has revolved almost entirely around Drake, Star, and myself. Please choose one of those to vote for, preferably Drake or Star. If a train gets going on Drake instead, I will happily switch my vote. Just as long as we get one of them out today we should be fine.

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, coco.pudding said:

Yes. I scanned Drake during the second cycle and it said he had a pm with you. When asked, you said you only had pms with Ver and Fizz. The only reason you would lie about this is if it’s not a pm and is instead the elim doc.

I don’t know if you did this, I’m just assuming you did since the elims would obviously want to inhibit me so I can’t clear any more villagers/discover a connection between elims, and you are the only elim inhibitor I know of.

Yeah, but he’s lying about that too, so that’s not particularly helpful.

I don’t know what’s going on in your head. I did purposely phrase it in a way that indicated I had not scanned you yet, and I’m assuming you felt safe knowing I had been inhibited and couldn’t possibly have more information than I had had in the previous cycle. That was my intention. If you aren’t an elim, you have nothing to hide, and therefore nothing to lie about. Both you and Drake’s reactions to this indicate to me even further than you are both elims.

I would like to point out to everyone that neither of them have made any arguments except “nuh uh” and “gms wouldn’t balance the game like that.” These are not good arguments, and to me just prove it further that they are scrambling.

Oh, and another thing: Yall could have avoided this whole mess by simply saying “oh, I forgot, yeah I have a pm with Drake too” and that would have been considerably less suspicious. But you didn’t. And now we’re here.

The biggest reason he was sus of me was because he thought me and Fizz were elims together. He started campaigning against me after I switched off of Fizz and started defending him. Turns out I was right about Fizz not being an elim. So Myst’s “evidence” against me was proven to be untrue, he just didn’t get a chance to say it.

It did happen before, yes. I hadn’t gotten results in by that time since it was still cycle two and I was blocked cycle one.

This is not a Doc situation. Doc was confirmed a villager at that point (or so we thought). I am not, and therefore the elims are able to turn it back around onto me.

Anyways, if you vote for either Star or Drake with me, I can prove that I’m telling the truth, and we won’t end up in a situation with 3 on 3 where village is basically doomed. If I’m wrong, feel free to vote me after, but I promise you I have not lied about anything this entire game, and I am 100% confident Drake and Star are elims.

I don’t think there’s much to be gained this cycle by voting mippo. The discussion so far has revolved almost entirely around Drake, Star, and myself. Please choose one of those to vote for, preferably Drake or Star. If a train gets going on Drake instead, I will happily switch my vote. Just as long as we get one of them out today we should be fine.

Star and Drake are the only people I’m becoming confident aren’t elims

[coco.pudding she/they]

4 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Star and Drake are the only people I’m becoming confident aren’t elims

Why are you inclined to believe them over me?

[Verdance he/him]

3 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Why are you inclined to believe them over me?

I have PMs with Star and am inclined to read her as village. She basically immediately told me she had cytonics, while i am more inclined to lie and hide them in case of elims. 
Drake is doing a good job at analysis, strategy, and acting more in the village’s favor. He defaulted to mippo over you, which I find interesting.

[coco.pudding she/they]

8 minutes ago, Verdance said:

He defaulted to mippo over you, which I find interesting

Here’s why I think he did that: I have come out and said I have a role which could be very useful for village. I said this yesterday and used it to clear two villagers. The fact that I have this role has been confirmed by others who have said my scan was correct on them. He knew this role would be dangerous to his team, but since they have an inhibitor he wasn’t too worried since they can just keep inhibiting me. And he couldn’t actively look like he’s exeing someone with a useful village role, so he voted someone else instead. However, once I became an active threat against him and his fellow elim, he was the first person to vote against me and try to turn this back on me.

8 minutes ago, Verdance said:

She basically immediately told me she had cytonics, while i am more inclined to lie and hide them in case of elims. 

What does this prove? Anyone can claim cytonics, regardless of alignment. Multiple people have openly claimed theirs in thread. Role claiming is very much NAI, and sometimes elims will even be more eager to do it since it will give them villager trust and a reason to not get exed.

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

57 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

This is not a Doc situation. Doc was confirmed a villager at that point (or so we thought). I am not, and therefore the elims are able to turn it back around onto me.

For me a Doc Situation is any time I am too trsuting of scan Results (I initially believed his claim in LG110) I am calling them Doc Situations because he fooled me twice with faked Scans. So this could stil very much be a Doc Situation.

1 hour ago, coco.pudding said:

Anyways, if you vote for either Star or Drake with me, I can prove that I’m telling the truth, and we won’t end up in a situation with 3 on 3 where village is basically doomed. If I’m wrong, feel free to vote me after, but I promise you I have not lied about anything this entire game, and I am 100% confident Drake and Star are elims.

So I will switch my Vote from ___/mippo to Star 

Now one thing that makes Cocos claim more believable to me is that she has basically created a scenario where Drake and Star have to be e/e

which is risky, because if one of them flips v she is doomed. Which is always a risky gambit, especially if there is the risk of softclearing another Villager via NK, I mean its pretty clear that this is a High Power Game so there could be more Hyperjumps be out there and if tjey hit them with a NK while Star or Drake flip as V then they have a real problem.

[coco.pudding she/they]

7 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

For me a Doc Situation is any time I am too trsuting of scan Results (I initially believed his claim in LG110) I am calling them Doc Situations because he fooled me twice with faked Scans. So this could stil very much be a Doc Situation.

Ah okay, that’s fair. Well, it’s not, but you’ll have confirmation soon enough I suppose.

10 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

which is risky, because if one of them flips v she is doomed.

See the super fun thing is that the opposite is also true. If I die and flip village, they’re both doomed, since everyone will know at that point I’m telling the truth, and they’ll both be exed. Obviously I’d rather not be exed today since that would get us into a lovely little 3v3 situation that I’m not sure village can make it through, but I take comfort in knowing that if I am at least everyone will know I’m right and hopefully vote them out.

Oh hey I just realized another thing! In that scenario all three elims would actually be revealed since there are two cleared players. Hm. That’s fun.

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

16 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Oh hey I just realized another thing! In that scenario all three elims would actually be revealed since there are two cleared players. Hm. That’s fun.

I do not believe that there will be two Cleared Villagers after today. This exe will reveal Cocos allignment and the validity of her claims (if v they are most likely true, why would she lie. If e they are most likely false to force miss exe) If Coco is e Drake and Star are clear, the elims will know that an NK one of them to limit cleared people. If Coco is v Me and TUM are clear since she would have no reason to lie about us the Elims would know that and NK either me or TUM in other to limit cleared players.

[coco.pudding she/they]

5 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

I do not believe that there will be two Cleared Villagers after today. This exe will reveal Cocos allignment and the validity of her claims (if v they are most likely true, why would she lie. If e they are most likely false to force miss exe) If Coco is e Drake and Star are clear, the elims will know that an NK one of them to limit cleared people. If Coco is v Me and TUM are clear since she would have no reason to lie about us the Elims would know that and NK either me or TUM in other to limit cleared players.

Oh yeah ig that’s a good point. Well, they can’t kill both of you, at least not this cycle.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

13 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Regarding Coco, I kind of want to believe her, because she is saying the truth about me having no PMs the things is I have communicated that previously, (you remember Coco lamenting having no PMs and me saying that I too had no PMs) and If I remember correctly, this happened before her Claim regarding her Scan Results. I am also plagued by the fear that this is a Doc Situation (he fooled me twice with fake scan results, the first time was a similar situation where I believed he was village based on him claiming that je scanned me as village)

...plus if you're village, it's also not that much of a stretch to just guess a random villager probably had no PMs at the beginning of the game.

4 hours ago, Through The Living Star said:

Just because I am the only Inhibitor you know of does not mean that I am the one that inhibited you. I'd be willing to bet there is at least one other inhibitor out there (actually, there has to be, because I didn't inhibit you). I'm just the only one that you know of because Fizz told everyone what we talked about in our PM!

...to be fair, this is actually something we could prove maybe.

Coco says she was Inhibited yesterday.

Did anybody else have their actions fail yesterday?

Honestly might be good to know this about other days too.

Can Inibitors use other cytonic actions or does Inhibition keep them from doing anything else?

52 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Now one thing that makes Cocos claim more believable to me is that she has basically created a scenario where Drake and Star have to be e/e

which is risky, because if one of them flips v she is doomed.

Unfortunately no, elim Coco probably wins in this case because too many village deaths causes the village to not be in the majority anymore. Coco even admitted as much.

[coco.pudding she/they]

4 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

plus if you're village, it's also not that much of a stretch to just guess a random villager probably had no PMs at the beginning of the game

I actually did that scan in cycle 2, by which point quite a few people had PMs. This is a fact that we know. Besides, that’s a terrible thing to try to lie about. If I was wrong I’d be called out immediately. That’s an insane choice to make that would probably end with me immediately getting exed. Why would I do that?

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Unfortunately no, elim Coco probably wins in this case because too many village deaths causes the village to not be in the majority anymore. Coco even admitted as much.

Um, what? One of us three is getting exed today. If it’s one of you two and you flip village, they know to exe me next cycle. Why would they then choose to exe the other one? Just to be sure? That doesn’t make any sense. What is your argument here?

So uh, you got any arguments based on actual logic and sensical decision making?

[___ He/Him]

Alright guys I'm back and wow a lot has happened

I'm not reading everything but from what I've seen it's coco vs drake

I want to take a look at Ver because from what I've seen, coco has been giving good arguments, yet you seem to be more and more inclined that star and drake are V which seems weird to me

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, ___ said:

Alright guys I'm back and wow a lot has happened

I'm not reading everything but from what I've seen it's coco vs drake

I want to take a look at Ver because from what I've seen, coco has been giving good arguments, yet you seem to be more and more inclined that star and drake are V which seems weird to me

To be completely fair, this is mainly based on vibes and also how they have been accused and not exe’d in the past, with a bit of Drake’s logic convincing me as well.