Oranjejuicemonki He/Him Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, ParaTulip said: I have been told that's offensive. That word does have the same grammar as Catholic, being a adjectidal form, but alas I don't like using offensive names for others. I would make a point that Roman Catholics would say their relevant equivalent name is "The Church of Christ" too. I am trying to distinguish between two groups of people who both cite to the apostle Paul. Ya makes sense. I've never known that Catholics would rather people say Church of Christ, but then you can just add Catholic to that like how Latter Day Saints is added to the name of the Church of Jesus Christ.
Aliroz-The-Confused Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) ParaTulip, you're a good person, and I appreciate the effort. Thank you. There are major publications with budgets of millions who don't bother to try to figure this stuff out. (For the record, I myself often find it difficult to construct sentences with regards to this exact thing!) In the end, I try to live by what my grandfather said: "Seek neither to give nor receive offense, but to all give goodwill and the benefit of the doubt." Edited January 31 by Aliroz-The-Confused 1
+Slowswift Posted January 31 Posted January 31 “His being a Latter-day Saint” works just fine. It’s the name of the Church itself that ought not to be abbreviated. 2
Schizoposting Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 hours ago, Immortal Platypus said: Does every book then deserve and adaptation? Does every book need an adaptation? I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this, sorry. 3 hours ago, Nesh said: First of all, I want to reiterate, I don't think it's needed, the books are good and popular on their own (Even the ones I have some things I didn't like in then like Wind and Truth were still good). That said, this will help Brandon reach a wider audience, and some of them will pick up the books and future books, even if the majority might not. It having a visual adaptation opens to door to some other things I would like to see, but that's got nothing to do with adaptation itself. All that said, studios wanted these rights because of the built-in audience they know they can ask for lots of money from, so a faithful adaptation (Faithful not one to one as much as we'd like it, the nature of movies means things will be cut and changed) is paramount to getting those fans to watch it and to have good word of mouth. It seems like it's a universal quality of fandoms, to want to get new converts, and to expand membership. Personally, as someone who has seen this play out with other communities, I'm ambivalent. To be sure, reading is probably a superior activity to doomscrolling TikTok, and Sanderson is a far better writer, than, say, Rebecca Yarros or Terry Goodkind; but having a massive influx of "normies" will probably be very annoying for a lot of established fans, and will likely decrease the quality of the community. 3 hours ago, Oranjejuicemonki said: Valid. I don't think any Cosmere adaptations will be better than the original books. That's ridiculous to even think about. Is it? Brandon's work, especially his early work (like Mistborn era 1) is far from perfect; is it really so difficult to believe that an older and more mature Brandon could help create an adaptation that manages to improve on the original? It's by no means guaranteed, but I think it's very plausible. 3 hours ago, Oranjejuicemonki said: This is also super valid. I'd rather get a good Mistborn movie that's also different cause either way I'm gonna like the books more, but I want to have an adaptation that's enjoyable. Now if it could be faithful to the original and an amazing film that'd be a different story entirely. I believe I would still rather the books, but I honestly could not tell you if I would rather a completely book accurate adaptation or with a few new ideas if they were both gonna be amazing in this fictional situation. I think Brandon and Frustration both have good points with how adaptations should be changed or preserved. Do you just not like film? Because otherwise, it seems ridiculously premature, IMO, to proclaim that you will prefer the books to an adaptation that hasn't even begun development. 1 hour ago, Oranjejuicemonki said: I have a similar concern that I don't want the adaptations to be super explicit. I wouldn't enjoy watching that and I do want to watch adaptations of the Cosmere. Given how much control Brandon will have, it's almost certainly not going to exceed the level that he's comfortable with. Now, he's gotten more liberal over time, so it's possible that the film will be more sexually explicit than the books, but's not going to exceed the level seen in Wind and Truth or era 2.
Nesh he/him Posted January 31 Posted January 31 19 minutes ago, Schizoposting said: It seems like it's a universal quality of fandoms, to want to get new converts, and to expand membership. Personally, as someone who has seen this play out with other communities, I'm ambivalent. To be sure, reading is probably a superior activity to doomscrolling TikTok, and Sanderson is a far better writer, than, say, Rebecca Yarros or Terry Goodkind; but having a massive influx of "normies" will probably be very annoying for a lot of established fans, and will likely decrease the quality of the community. I think it's just the natural human inclination to want to share things we love. 1
NameIess Posted January 31 Posted January 31 39 minutes ago, Schizoposting said: it? Brandon's work, especially his early work (like Mistborn era 1) is far from perfect; is it really so difficult to believe that an older and more mature Brandon could help create an adaptation that manages to improve on the original? It's by no means guaranteed, but I think it's very plausible. I’d agree with Elantris, but era 1 is quite good. And the earliest Stormlight books, WoK and WoR, are some of Brandon’s best work, much better quality-wise than WaT. That’s not to say that Brandon can’t improve his stories in the retelling, but it’s not necessarily something that will happen, particularly since much of his growth as an author will not apply in the new medium. 2
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted January 31 Posted January 31 If anything, I am concerned about a possible eventual war breaker film 1
Aliroz-The-Confused Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Just now, CoderDrag0n8 said: If anything, I am concerned about a possible eventual war breaker film It would be the biggest troll move to make a Warbreaker film in black and white. 5
Schizoposting Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, NameIess said: I’d agree with Elantris, but era 1 is quite good. Don't get me wrong, it's good; it's just that if Brandon where to rewrite it from scratch, he'd probably do a much better job. 1 hour ago, NameIess said: And the earliest Stormlight books, WoK and WoR, are some of Brandon’s best work, much better quality-wise than WaT. His secret projects are some his best work, especially in terms of prose. I actually liked WAT, so I wouldn't necessarily say that the quality has decreased (although I agree that WOK and WOR represent Brandon at his best). 1 hour ago, NameIess said: That’s not to say that Brandon can’t improve his stories in the retelling, but it’s not necessarily something that will happen, particularly since much of his growth as an author will not apply in the new medium. Yeah, that's the big question hanging over all of this: will Brandon's heavy involvement result in a high-quality adaptation, or will it hamper necessary changes to the material? I am cautiously optimistic that Brandon has humility to recognize his own weaknesses and to get help where he needs it, but obviously we'll have to wait and see.
+Oltux72 he/him Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Schizoposting said: Don't get me wrong, it's good; it's just that if Brandon where to rewrite it from scratch, he'd probably do a much better job. No, he wouldn't. Later Brandon is different. He picks different topics. Era 1 profited from coming from a fresh, younger author who was not afraid to go to extremes later Brandon does not go to. Later Brandon burns Rathalas off screen. Early Brandon would have shrieking people on fire run through the streets in panic and agony. TFE works because so many heads are chopped off that the fountains turn red with blood. 2
king of nowhere Posted January 31 Posted January 31 7 hours ago, Oltux72 said: No, he wouldn't. Later Brandon is different. He picks different topics. Era 1 profited from coming from a fresh, younger author who was not afraid to go to extremes later Brandon does not go to. Later Brandon burns Rathalas off screen. Early Brandon would have shrieking people on fire run through the streets in panic and agony. TFE works because so many heads are chopped off that the fountains turn red with blood. i disagree. how many heads were chopped on a fountain has nothing to do with the quality of a book. in fact, some media arte trying too hard to take a grimdark tone thinking it's better, but it ruins all. you don't have to show blood and gore to make a good story. TFE works because it has great plot, great characters, great magic, and that's it. I'd say later books work less because the plot becomes more sprawling and the magic becomes softer - while still being used to fix all problems like it was a harder magic.
Immortal Platypus Posted January 31 Posted January 31 13 hours ago, Schizoposting said: I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this, sorry. My point was that you said "My point is that there's no such thing as a book that is 'good enough'." I'm asking if that means that every book needs an adaptation, (because they're not good enough) and if every book deserves an adaptation. Note: they are two different questions, they can have different answers. Personally, I don't think every book deserves and adaptation, and I don't think every book needs one either. I also think that there such a thing as "good enough" for books (and movies), though, so it seems we disagree there. 1
Qianweilian He/him Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 hours ago, king of nowhere said: i disagree. how many heads were chopped on a fountain has nothing to do with the quality of a book. in fact, some media arte trying too hard to take a grimdark tone thinking it's better, but it ruins all. you don't have to show blood and gore to make a good story. I agree, but you can go too far the other way. I don’t enjoy excessive gore, but if you sanitize it too much, it can harm the tension of the movie. 12 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: If anything, I am concerned about a possible eventual war breaker film Yeah, that’s a good point, but awakening might be the easiest magic to adapt. It is extremely visual, open, and easy to understand. I suspect Brandon might use more suggestion and camera angles to tell the audience what is happening, but not necessarily depict it.
Through the Living Hopper He/Him Posted January 31 Posted January 31 13 hours ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: If anything, I am concerned about a possible eventual war breaker film I mean, if he has to, he can just show her back without showing anything else. I actually do look forward to the Warbreaker movie, because I think it'll be awesome. I am nervous about Swordnimi's casting and how that'll work.
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted January 31 Posted January 31 30 minutes ago, ThatOneWorldhopper said: I mean, if he has to, he can just show her back without showing anything else. I actually do look forward to the Warbreaker movie, because I think it'll be awesome. I am nervous about Swordnimi's casting and how that'll work. I am excited with how much they'll do the CGI, especially since it would be further on, and so Apple would see the full potential and spend more on it.
Qianweilian He/him Posted January 31 Posted January 31 36 minutes ago, ThatOneWorldhopper said: I mean, if he has to, he can just show her back without showing anything else. I actually do look forward to the Warbreaker movie, because I think it'll be awesome. I agree. The Church has a fairly strong position on this sort of thing, so I doubt he’d potentially exclude himself or his kids from watching the movie/adaptation he has full creative control over. 6 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: I am excited with how much they'll do the CGI You might not need much CGI. Awakening is pretty much just objects moving around and colors go to grayscale. Holding breaths just makes the environment much more vibrant. If the only thing you wanted was CGI and ignored props/acting/plot/everything else, you might be able to get high-schoolers interested in the subject to do it.
CoderDrag0n8 He/They Posted January 31 Posted January 31 11 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: I agree. The Church has a fairly strong position on this sort of thing, so I doubt he’d potentially exclude himself or his kids from watching the movie/adaptation he has full creative control over. You might not need much CGI. Awakening is pretty much just objects moving around and colors go to grayscale. Holding breaths just makes the environment much more vibrant. If the only thing you wanted was CGI and ignored props/acting/plot/everything else, you might be able to get high-schoolers interested in the subject to do it. Well, I just think what they could do with the God King and his raidiance would be very entertaining to see. 2
Qianweilian He/him Posted January 31 Posted January 31 27 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said: Well, I just think what they could do with the God King and his raidiance would be very entertaining to see. Yes, it would definitely be.
RedBlue Posted January 31 Posted January 31 If/when they do a Warbreaker movie, I expect the nudity will be a non-issue. It’s easy to imply nudity without showing anything explicit. You could also just have her be wearing underwear in those scenes. The actual content of the story is more of an issue. A huge part of the plot is about a young woman and a young man in a deeply messed up, disturbing, coercive sexual situation. And you can’t talk around the sexual nature of the situation, or the abuse, without changing the story significantly. To my understanding, it’s really pushing the limits of PG-13 even without the nudity aspect.
king of nowhere Posted January 31 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, ThatOneWorldhopper said: I mean, if he has to, he can just show her back 15 minutes ago, RedBlue said: If/when they do a Warbreaker movie, I expect the nudity will be a non-issue. It’s easy to imply nudity without showing anything explicit. You could also just have her be wearing underwear in those scenes. yet another option, since the room was scarcely lit by a fire, would be to have siri in full frontal nudity, but with shadows covering all the relevant bits. they could easily add more shadows as a special effect.
Qianweilian He/him Posted January 31 Posted January 31 19 minutes ago, king of nowhere said: yet another option, since the room was scarcely lit by a fire, would be to have siri in full frontal nudity, but with shadows covering all the relevant bits. they could easily add more shadows as a special effect. There's a lot of things that could be done, whether by camera angles, shadows, or others, but the point is that Brandon most likely won’t show nudity in the movie (imo a good choice).
Nesh he/him Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) I'm most worried about how they'll handle Stormlight in general, and they way of Kings specifically, and I'm not talking about the CGI. The structure of the book makes it a pain to adapt. The beginning starts with three time jumps in as many chapters, though to be fair the Cenn chapter could probably be folded into the Kaladin flashbacks. There are large portions of the book where major POV characters just don't appear (Shallan not having a POV in part 2 for example), then there's what to do with the Interludes. Plus, you would probably have to film every scene that takes place at Gavilar's feast during season 1's production so the actors don't age and create a discontinuity between the flashbacks because of the time beween seasons with the actors aging. Yeah, it's a TV show so they have more run time to work with, which is great given the book length, but it's still going to be a nightmare... Edited January 31 by Nesh 1
Aliroz-The-Confused Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, RedBlue said: The actual content of the story is more of an issue. A huge part of the plot is about a young woman and a young man in a deeply messed up, disturbing, coercive sexual situation. And you can’t talk around the sexual nature of the situation, or the abuse, without changing the story significantly. To my understanding, it’s really pushing the limits of PG-13 even without the nudity aspect. Yeah, I don't think Warbreaker works as a movie. In a book, you can close the book and take a long walk to process what you just read before continuing, you can skip ahead or skim over stuff, and on rereads you can skip chapters. You control the pacing. In a book-on-tape, you can't do that as much (unless you press the fast-forward on your tape player, but that's much more awkward as far as re-entering the story goes, especially on the first go-around), and you don't control the pacing, though you can stop it and take a long walk whenever you need to. Movies aren't made for that kind of thing. The pacing is precisely controlled down to shots and frames, the medium is geared towards watching with other people which means any interruption/skipping has an impact on whoever is watching with you, and there's an "intended" viewing experience of passive observation.
RedBlue Posted January 31 Posted January 31 16 minutes ago, Aliroz-The-Confused said: Movies aren't made for that kind of thing. The pacing is precisely controlled down to shots and frames, the medium is geared towards watching with other people which means any interruption/skipping has an impact on whoever is watching with you, and there's an "intended" viewing experience of passive observation. I disagree that movies in general can’t tell this kind of story — there are excellent R-rated movies that deal with disturbing sexual themes. Perfect Blue is one of my favourites. An R-rated Warbreaker would certainly be viable from an artistic standpoint. But I don’t know that an R-rated Warbreaker is commercially viable. Clearly, it would alienate a huge part of Sanderson’s built-in fanbase, and I don’t know how you would market it to the general R-rated moviegoing public.
Schizoposting Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RedBlue said: But I don’t know that an R-rated Warbreaker is commercially viable. Clearly, it would alienate a huge part of Sanderson’s built-in fanbase, and I don’t know how you would market it to the general R-rated moviegoing public. If something like Eyes Wide Shut managed to be commercially successful, I don't see why a Warbreaker film can't also be viable. For any adaptation, the vast majority of viewers will not be fans, unless if it's a flop, so I don't think that alienating the LDS part of Fandom will that big of a deal. Edited January 31 by Schizoposting 1
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