Mid-Range Game 73: SE and Taxes

[Sparker He/Him]

RP TIME

Honesty sat at the window of the local Inn pondering his next move. Leaving town was not an option, not with the Shades riled up like this. Would he simply lay low until things calmed down? Would things calm down? It seemed dubious. The other people appeared as nervous as he was. When Honesty looked over to the next table the person sitting there quickly avoided his gaze. Nobody talked. A fact which made the whispers seem almost too loud by comparison. He had become very familiar with them over the course of the day. The people seemed to avoid Honesty. Fair. He wouldn't trust an outsider either.
No, this wouldnt simply blow over and the Professor would not be last victim of this doomed little town.

Honesty stood up and left the Building, leaving a couple of coins and an empty plate on the table. He walked into the Stable next door and pulled a sugar cube out of his pocked.

"So what do we do now old fellow? Will this be the end our adventures?"

His trusty donkey picked up the snack greedily and gently nudged Honestys arm with his head for a second serving. He wasnt much of a talker. The shine of glowpaste illuminated the room as the stableboy came to see who had been speaking. Honesty gave him a tired smile and flicked coin in his direction.

"If anything happens to me, you can keep old Lester. Make sure he gets fed and cared for"

He gave the donkeys head a quick hug before leaving the stable without further explanation. It was quite a lovely evening all things considered.

If this was to be the end of Honesty Baker he would not go down without a fight. Time to get Involved...

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

I'm gonna relay what I said to Kas in private comms - 

I dislike Storm's first post in this cycle more than their second. He looks like he suspects Drake more but his vote ends up on... Striker? 

Regards to his second post, his reasoning on Kas seems sincere imo. Kas' defence is also absolutely valid (i.e., ML'ed Wonko so why wouldn't he kill someone unpopular). 

Also, something to ponder upon if Kas is village (village-reading Kas for now, the threadbrawl with Wonko in D1 is weird for Kas to do as elim), when was the last time someone evil tried to ML Kas? Would TwinStorm try to go for Kas after playing evil with him in the last game? I'm leaning towards no. I'm not giving much credence to my read of his first post which would be possible teammates with Drake. 

Drake/Striker I'm leaving it to later >> Leaving towards v!Striker and e!Drake

I don't like TOW or KSauces votes or reads.

I like Coder better thank Sparker.  

Yay

 

57 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

Simply because Drake is playing it simply too risky for an elim, it's a horrible idea for an elim to send that many PMs, at least in my opinion

rn tho Kas' reasoning abt even as an elim not targeting Wonko makes sense, since I've seen how mad he gets when new person/veteran gets killed instantly, and it doesn't seem like e!Kas style to continue accusing Wonko, he likes to play it safe. 

That leaves me with the 4 who accused Wonko and TOW as well as KSauce for weird reads

I still sorta suspect Coder but would rather pull a veteran elim first to let him play and kill the bigger threat (no offense ofc)

Drake, like I said, is too risky playing for an elim, tho I need to think more abt it

Striker seems legit, but I really just need see more

I'm leaning village for TJ but I don't wanna discount him, since he has been known to blend in the past

TOW's votes have been weird, same with KSauce

idk

imma go TOW for rn, to spread votes around

yeah thats fair

i am new to the game

and I think going after the older Elims is better

but im not an Elim. :D

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

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MR73 - Cycle Three: The Death Knell Tolls

The Bounty Hunter had finally gotten a lead. One of the Homesteaders had been acting oddly. The Bounty Hunter rounded the corner to the Homesteader’s house.

The Bounty Hunter walked up to Mendacious's door. They steeled themself, and kicked it down. They charged into the house, but pulled up short. Mendacious was gone. A note had been left. 

“Taken prisoner by the Fortress Constabulary for Tax Evasion. Do not expect them to return.”

The Bounty Hunter frowned. Was it an elaborate ruse to escape unscathed?

They examined the note. No, the handwriting didn't match. They had simply been mistaken. 

Time to find a new suspect.

~

Welcome to MR73 - Cycle Three!

Kasimir was killed! He was a Homesteader.

Striker was exed! He was a Homesteader.

Votecount:

DrakeMarshall: StrikerEZ

KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren: |TJ|

Kasimir: Twinstorm 

StrikerEZ: Sparker

ThatOneWorldhopper: Kasimir 

The voting spreadsheet is located here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13f9min4PbGoKxQRupbYebIvEWvdruQneUoTA_7hNnPs/edit?usp=drivesdk

Things to Note:

• PMs are open, but if you send a PM, you will receive +1 vote.
• Votes can be lodged in the spreadsheet linked above. Place the name of your intended target in the leftmost empty column next to your name. You should never delete anything from the spreadsheet. 
• There is no vote minimum.
• Ties will be randomly determined.
• This cycle will end at 10:00 PM Mountain Time in two days, on Wednesday, July 9th.
• Have fun!

Players:

Spoiler

1. @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren Marna
2. @StrikerEZHomesteader 
3.  @TwinStorm as Rocky
4. @ThatOneWorldhopper as Worldy
5. @|TJ|
6. @Sparker as Honesty Baker
7. @DrakeMarshall as Scarface
8. @CoderDrag0n8 as CD
9. @Wonko the Sane as Prof. Ashford Longfellow Homesteader 
10. @Kasimir as Mendacious Homesteader

 

[TwinStorm He/Him]

That leaves Drake. It has to be him. Too tired for tonight, but I'll bring up evidence tmrw.

[Sparker He/Him]

Well this turned from bad to worse...

[|TJ| he/him]

Drake if Storm is saying what I think he's saying. 

[TwinStorm He/Him]

@The Unknown Order is the spreadsheet updated?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

35 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

@The Unknown Order is the spreadsheet updated?

Thanks for reminding me. Should be good now. 

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Just now, The Unknown Order said:

Thanks for reminding me. Should be good now. 

Can you cross out dead people pls?

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Here's the case against Drake

Fact 1: e!Drake is considered "risk-happy"

Now, my biggest initial concern with e!Drake was the sheer amount of PMs he had sent, with at least 2 confirmed (the PM between him, Kas, and TJ, and the PM between him and me, with likely more) causing me to discount him in favor of others on the Wonko train, both of whom (Striker and Kas) have been proven to be villagers, leaving only Drake and Coder.

However, even with my thoughts on Drake, 2 separate veteran players (Kas (who need I remind you was murdered last night) and Striker (who was exed, which I'll get too later) both considered Drake risk-happy enough and screwy enough to send as many PMs and avoid the NK (which is something Kas could see him doing). He even admitted to enjoying mind games.

Fact 2: The Wonko train has contained Villagers

Thus far. Striker and Kas were on Wonko's train, and both were homesteaders. However, I find it incredibly unlikely that train was completely elim free, and that lives Drake and Coder. Coder is new enough to where I don't want to focus on him, leaving Drake as the last surviving veteran player. He goes for a Wonko vote instead, not giving any reasoning, which after the previous two players on the train were proven village, feels very much like an elim opportunistically jumping on a village train hoping to blend in.

Then, after Coder asks why they're doing this, Drake affirms him, trying to keep him on the train, which feels incredibly weird for a village player to do. The only reason for a Village player to do so is if the evidence is overwhelming, which it wasn't, in Wonko's case. I've only ever experienced elim players with such confidence in a village train in such an early stage of the game.

Fact 3: Striker was exed, not killed

Now, after Wonko's death, all four players on the train gained one extra vote, bringing Kas, Drake and Striker all up to 1. Each then garnered a vote for themselves, bringing things up to 2. Kas has been confirmed to be in at least 2 PMs on day 2, with the group of Drake and TJ, and one with me, bringing his vote count up to at least 3. Drake, however, opened many PMs on Day 1, and likely maintained most of them, with 2 confirmed, again the group of Kas and TJ, and, again one with me. That brings him up to 3, but likely more, considered his other earlier PMs, putting him in the lead.

That means Drake is the most likely candidate for execution, but there are other means of getting somebody exed. Kindling the flame, for instance. If the elims managed to kindle the flame with Striker and opened PMs with him, which is a viable way of discreet murder, they could bring his vote count past Drake's, unnecessary unless Striker was right and Drake is an elim.

Fact 4: Other Evidence

I've already gone over most of the major evidence, but some remains. Both Kas and Striker seemed concerned about Drake, and both ended up dead, Kas killed by the elims, and Striker exed when he seemingly shouldn't have had. Drake posted some reasons why the elims didn't make a NK day 1, which could be him trying to buy some credibility by not killing then analyzing his choice, something Kas noted that he would do as a tricky elim player. 

Conclusion

Every great case ends with a conclusion, summing up all the facts. And quite frankly, there is a lot of incriminating evidence. Striker's execution seems to be foul play in order to save Drake and kill 2 veteran villagers with Kas's death. The Wonko train has emptied out, leaving Drake as the final veteran player, and his vote smells of an opportunistic exe of a villager. He's also considered too be a risky e!player and enjoys playing mind games, making him all the more likely of a candidate. 

Edited July 8, 2025 by TwinStorm
edited for formatting

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

41 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

Can you cross out dead people pls?

Done.

[Sparker He/Him]

RP time

Well that went poorly. More bodies where found next morning and it seemed like Honestys hunch had led him fataly astray. Some of the other villagers were starting to be sure Scarface was to blame as they have had contact with multiple of the victims in the nights of their deaths. Better to wait and see Honesty thought. Even if Scarface was resposible it seemed unlikely that they had acted alone. Someone else had to make a move soon....

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

2 hours ago, TwinStorm said:

Here's the case against Drake

Fact 1: e!Drake is considered "risk-happy"

Now, my biggest initial concern with e!Drake was the sheer amount of PMs he had sent, with at least 2 confirmed (the PM between him, Kas, and TJ, and the PM between him and me, with likely more) causing me to discount him in favor of others on the Wonko train, both of whom (Striker and Kas) have been proven to be villagers, leaving only Drake and Coder.

However, even with my thoughts on Drake, 2 separate veteran players (Kas (who need I remind you was murdered last night) and Striker (who was exed, which I'll get too later) both considered Drake risk-happy enough and screwy enough to send as many PMs and avoid the NK (which is something Kas could see him doing). He even admitted to enjoying mind games.

Fact 2: The Wonko train has contained Villagers

Thus far. Striker and Kas were on Wonko's train, and both were homesteaders. However, I find it incredibly unlikely that train was completely elim free, and that lives Drake and Coder. Coder is new enough to where I don't want to focus on him, leaving Drake as the last surviving veteran player. He goes for a Wonko vote instead, not giving any reasoning, which after the previous two players on the train were proven village, feels very much like an elim opportunistically jumping on a village train hoping to blend in.

Then, after Coder asks why they're doing this, Drake affirms him, trying to keep him on the train, which feels incredibly weird for a village player to do. The only reason for a Village player to do so is if the evidence is overwhelming, which it wasn't, in Wonko's case. I've only ever experienced elim players with such confidence in a village train in such an early stage of the game.

Fact 3: Striker was exed, not killed

Now, after Wonko's death, all four players on the train gained one extra vote, bringing Kas, Drake and Striker all up to 1. Each then garnered a vote for themselves, bringing things up to 2. Kas has been confirmed to be in at least 2 PMs on day 2, with the group of Drake and TJ, and one with me, bringing his vote count up to at least 3. Drake, however, opened many PMs on Day 1, and likely maintained most of them, with 2 confirmed, again the group of Kas and TJ, and, again one with me. That brings him up to 3, but likely more, considered his other earlier PMs, putting him in the lead.

That means Drake is the most likely candidate for execution, but there are other means of getting somebody exed. Kindling the flame, for instance. If the elims managed to kindle the flame with Striker and opened PMs with him, which is a viable way of discreet murder, they could bring his vote count past Drake's, unnecessary unless Striker was right and Drake is an elim.

Fact 4: Other Evidence

I've already gone over most of the major evidence, but some remains. Both Kas and Striker seemed concerned about Drake, and both ended up dead, Kas killed by the elims, and Striker exed when he seemingly shouldn't have had. Drake posted some reasons why the elims didn't make a NK day 1, which could be him trying to buy some credibility by not killing then analyzing his choice, something Kas noted that he would do as a tricky elim player. 

Conclusion

Every great case ends with a conclusion, summing up all the facts. And quite frankly, there is a lot of incriminating evidence. Striker's execution seems to be foul play in order to save Drake and kill 2 veteran villagers with Kas's death. The Wonko train has emptied out, leaving Drake as the final veteran player, and his vote smells of an opportunistic exe of a villager. He's also considered too be a risky e!player and enjoys playing mind games, making him all the more likely of a candidate. 

Those are some good points. Scarface/Drake

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Well, I don't have the energy for an elaborate defense but how about this.

Fact 1: e!Drake is considered "risk-happy"

Drake is considered risk-happy. Both v!Drake and e!Drake. Just Drake generally is what I'm saying.

Fact 2: The Wonko train has contained Villagers

You can identify any group and say a priori it probably contains elims, and then say we should murder whoever's left after some of them flip village, but that's not really how math works.

Fact 3: Striker was exed, not killed

"That brings him up to 3, but likely more, considered his other earlier PMs, putting him in the lead."

That's not really how that works either. You pay 1 vote and can do as many PMs as you want for the day.

Anyways I didn't kindle any flame yesterday. Too checked out in the latter half of the day unfortunately. I did actually kindle some on Day 1 though.

Fact 4: Other Evidence

Without Fact #3 I'm not sure that Striker's opinions are any more relevant than anyone else's. I guess you could say Kas had concerns but he's a pretty equal opportunities with his concerns kinda guy, and we can make that case about most players here.

Conclusion

I'm not evil.

 

It's been some time in the thread by now and a Drake push is all that's really happened.

Let's fix that, hm?

TwinStorm eat some of your own medicine.

I'm not gonna give an elaborate list of reasons, I just think if you're village and doing such a motivated push then we may have lost if the predictions about 3 elims are correct. Either you're evil and voting for you is my best move here, or not and the elims can dogpile me and there's not much use worrying about it.

Maybe there's 2 elims and it's not all doom and gloom, but people who thought about this game's balance more than I did said this is less likely, and anyways in that world we get another cycle to think about things, regardless of the outcome today.

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

5 hours ago, TwinStorm said:

Here's the case against Drake

Fact 1: e!Drake is considered "risk-happy"

Now, my biggest initial concern with e!Drake was the sheer amount of PMs he had sent, with at least 2 confirmed (the PM between him, Kas, and TJ, and the PM between him and me, with likely more) causing me to discount him in favor of others on the Wonko train, both of whom (Striker and Kas) have been proven to be villagers, leaving only Drake and Coder.

However, even with my thoughts on Drake, 2 separate veteran players (Kas (who need I remind you was murdered last night) and Striker (who was exed, which I'll get too later) both considered Drake risk-happy enough and screwy enough to send as many PMs and avoid the NK (which is something Kas could see him doing). He even admitted to enjoying mind games.

Fact 2: The Wonko train has contained Villagers

Thus far. Striker and Kas were on Wonko's train, and both were homesteaders. However, I find it incredibly unlikely that train was completely elim free, and that lives Drake and Coder. Coder is new enough to where I don't want to focus on him, leaving Drake as the last surviving veteran player. He goes for a Wonko vote instead, not giving any reasoning, which after the previous two players on the train were proven village, feels very much like an elim opportunistically jumping on a village train hoping to blend in.

Then, after Coder asks why they're doing this, Drake affirms him, trying to keep him on the train, which feels incredibly weird for a village player to do. The only reason for a Village player to do so is if the evidence is overwhelming, which it wasn't, in Wonko's case. I've only ever experienced elim players with such confidence in a village train in such an early stage of the game.

Fact 3: Striker was exed, not killed

Now, after Wonko's death, all four players on the train gained one extra vote, bringing Kas, Drake and Striker all up to 1. Each then garnered a vote for themselves, bringing things up to 2. Kas has been confirmed to be in at least 2 PMs on day 2, with the group of Drake and TJ, and one with me, bringing his vote count up to at least 3. Drake, however, opened many PMs on Day 1, and likely maintained most of them, with 2 confirmed, again the group of Kas and TJ, and, again one with me. That brings him up to 3, but likely more, considered his other earlier PMs, putting him in the lead.

That means Drake is the most likely candidate for execution, but there are other means of getting somebody exed. Kindling the flame, for instance. If the elims managed to kindle the flame with Striker and opened PMs with him, which is a viable way of discreet murder, they could bring his vote count past Drake's, unnecessary unless Striker was right and Drake is an elim.

Fact 4: Other Evidence

I've already gone over most of the major evidence, but some remains. Both Kas and Striker seemed concerned about Drake, and both ended up dead, Kas killed by the elims, and Striker exed when he seemingly shouldn't have had. Drake posted some reasons why the elims didn't make a NK day 1, which could be him trying to buy some credibility by not killing then analyzing his choice, something Kas noted that he would do as a tricky elim player. 

Conclusion

Every great case ends with a conclusion, summing up all the facts. And quite frankly, there is a lot of incriminating evidence. Striker's execution seems to be foul play in order to save Drake and kill 2 veteran villagers with Kas's death. The Wonko train has emptied out, leaving Drake as the final veteran player, and his vote smells of an opportunistic exe of a villager. He's also considered too be a risky e!player and enjoys playing mind games, making him all the more likely of a candidate. 

Marna looked at the evidence. Quite overwhelming, it was. She would vote Scarface.

But, she would like to hear what he had to say.

@DrakeMarshall

Actually, on second thought, she would not vote Scarface. Three people were already voting for him and Marna did not want the Shades on her for shedding blood. But, if things changed and Scarface was no longer so ahead of everyone else, she would. Unless he or someone else could convince her otherwise.

4 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Well, I don't have the energy for an elaborate defense but how about this.

Fact 1: e!Drake is considered "risk-happy"

Drake is considered risk-happy. Both v!Drake and e!Drake. Just Drake generally is what I'm saying.

Fact 2: The Wonko train has contained Villagers

You can identify any group and say a priori it probably contains elims, and then say we should murder whoever's left after some of them flip village, but that's not really how math works.

Fact 3: Striker was exed, not killed

"That brings him up to 3, but likely more, considered his other earlier PMs, putting him in the lead."

That's not really how that works either. You pay 1 vote and can do as many PMs as you want for the day.

Anyways I didn't kindle any flame yesterday. Too checked out in the latter half of the day unfortunately. I did actually kindle some on Day 1 though.

Fact 4: Other Evidence

Without Fact #3 I'm not sure that Striker's opinions are any more relevant than anyone else's. I guess you could say Kas had concerns but he's a pretty equal opportunities with his concerns kinda guy, and we can make that case about most players here.

Conclusion

I'm not evil.

 

It's been some time in the thread by now and a Drake push is all that's really happened.

Let's fix that, hm?

TwinStorm eat some of your own medicine.

I'm not gonna give an elaborate list of reasons, I just think if you're village and doing such a motivated push then we may have lost if the predictions about 3 elims are correct. Either you're evil and voting for you is my best move here, or not and the elims can dogpile me and there's not much use worrying about it.

Maybe there's 2 elims and it's not all doom and gloom, but people who thought about this game's balance more than I did said this is less likely, and anyways in that world we get another cycle to think about things, regardless of the outcome today.

Alright now. Under normal circumstances, Striker would've been at 2 votes. So if there is proof that he sent a PM, then Marna could agree with this.

 

 

Edited July 8, 2025 by KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

18 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

Alright now. Under normal circumstances, Striker would've been at 2 votes. So if there is proof that he sent a PM, then Marna could agree with this.

I mean he sent a PM to me.

I was also in a group with him, TJ, and Kas.

 

Tangent, but I actually sort of want to village read TJ if I'm correct about his thought process today but don't feel strongly it couldn't be faked.

I believe evil TJ would not have thought Storm could be the Target.

[KaladinsSenseOfHumourSpren He/Him]

7 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I mean he sent a PM to me.

I was also in a group with him, TJ, and Kas.

 

Tangent, but I actually sort of want to village read TJ if I'm correct about his thought process today but don't feel strongly it couldn't be faked.

I believe evil TJ would not have thought Storm could be the Target.

In this case, Marna will not accuse Scarface. However, there is also no justification for voting TwinStorm.

So Marna, once again, wouldn't vote. At least for now.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

40 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Well, I don't have the energy for an elaborate defense but how about this.

Fact 1: e!Drake is considered "risk-happy"

Drake is considered risk-happy. Both v!Drake and e!Drake. Just Drake generally is what I'm saying.

Fact 2: The Wonko train has contained Villagers

You can identify any group and say a priori it probably contains elims, and then say we should murder whoever's left after some of them flip village, but that's not really how math works.

Fact 3: Striker was exed, not killed

"That brings him up to 3, but likely more, considered his other earlier PMs, putting him in the lead."

That's not really how that works either. You pay 1 vote and can do as many PMs as you want for the day.

Anyways I didn't kindle any flame yesterday. Too checked out in the latter half of the day unfortunately. I did actually kindle some on Day 1 though.

Fact 4: Other Evidence

Without Fact #3 I'm not sure that Striker's opinions are any more relevant than anyone else's. I guess you could say Kas had concerns but he's a pretty equal opportunities with his concerns kinda guy, and we can make that case about most players here.

Conclusion

I'm not evil.

 

It's been some time in the thread by now and a Drake push is all that's really happened.

Let's fix that, hm?

TwinStorm eat some of your own medicine.

I'm not gonna give an elaborate list of reasons, I just think if you're village and doing such a motivated push then we may have lost if the predictions about 3 elims are correct. Either you're evil and voting for you is my best move here, or not and the elims can dogpile me and there's not much use worrying about it.

Maybe there's 2 elims and it's not all doom and gloom, but people who thought about this game's balance more than I did said this is less likely, and anyways in that world we get another cycle to think about things, regardless of the outcome today.

Uhhhh I dont want to vote anyone?

so...

CoderDrag0n8 i dislike attacking people

[TwinStorm He/Him]

5 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Uhhhh I dont want to vote anyone?

so...

CoderDrag0n8 i dislike attacking people

the only way we're going to win this game as a villager is if you vote, especially when you've already agreed that the evidence incriminating Drake is substantial

[|TJ| he/him]

Huh, I just thought Storm was the Target and got told one of Kas/Drake is evil and now that Kas was village, Drake was evil. I just checked and saw that we do have role flips so that's not possible until BH is dead, and since role flips exists, we know for sure that BH is not dead >> 

My bad, my initial assumption was we do not have role flips. 

Coming to Storm's post, I will include my thoughts inside the quote itself. Bold and italics mine

6 hours ago, TwinStorm said:

Here's the case against Drake

Fact 1: e!Drake is considered "risk-happy"

Now, my biggest initial concern with e!Drake was the sheer amount of PMs he had sent, with at least 2 confirmed (the PM between him, Kas, and TJ, and the PM between him and me, with likely more) causing me to discount him in favor of others on the Wonko train, both of whom (Striker and Kas) have been proven to be villagers, leaving only Drake and Coder.

However, even with my thoughts on Drake, 2 separate veteran players (Kas (who need I remind you was murdered last night) and Striker (who was exed, which I'll get too later) both considered Drake risk-happy enough and screwy enough to send as many PMs and avoid the NK (which is something Kas could see him doing). He even admitted to enjoying mind games.

Here I agree with Drake that he, in general, is very risk-happy, both as a villager and an elim. 

Fact 2: The Wonko train has contained Villagers

Thus far. Striker and Kas were on Wonko's train, and both were homesteaders. However, I find it incredibly unlikely that train was completely elim free, and that lives Drake and Coder. Coder is new enough to where I don't want to focus on him, leaving Drake as the last surviving veteran player. He goes for a Wonko vote instead, not giving any reasoning, which after the previous two players on the train were proven village, feels very much like an elim opportunistically jumping on a village train hoping to blend in.

Then, after Coder asks why they're doing this, Drake affirms him, trying to keep him on the train, which feels incredibly weird for a village player to do. The only reason for a Village player to do so is if the evidence is overwhelming, which it wasn't, in Wonko's case. I've only ever experienced elim players with such confidence in a village train in such an early stage of the game.

I was going to be the devil's advocate and argue that an elim strictly does not have to be on the leading train on D1 nor do we have to assume that there is a veteran in the elim team but I looked at the player list excluding Drake and... it's KSOS, TwinStorm, TOW, Sparker and Coder. I guess if it's not Drake it would have to  be TwinStorm but I cannot see an elim team of any combination working from of the above. No amount of trolliness from a GM would make them put an all newbie elim team, I'm sorry. One of TwinStorm/Drake has to be evil and Storm makes quite a compelling case. 

Fact 3: Striker was exed, not killed

Now, after Wonko's death, all four players on the train gained one extra vote, bringing Kas, Drake and Striker all up to 1. Each then garnered a vote for themselves, bringing things up to 2. Kas has been confirmed to be in at least 2 PMs on day 2, with the group of Drake and TJ, and one with me, bringing his vote count up to at least 3. Drake, however, opened many PMs on Day 1, and likely maintained most of them, with 2 confirmed, again the group of Kas and TJ, and, again one with me. That brings him up to 3, but likely more, considered his other earlier PMs, putting him in the lead.

That means Drake is the most likely candidate for execution, but there are other means of getting somebody exed. Kindling the flame, for instance. If the elims managed to kindle the flame with Striker and opened PMs with him, which is a viable way of discreet murder, they could bring his vote count past Drake's, unnecessary unless Striker was right and Drake is an elim.

Striker himself  opened a group PM with me and Kas last cycle. 

Fact 4: Other Evidence

I've already gone over most of the major evidence, but some remains. Both Kas and Striker seemed concerned about Drake, and both ended up dead, Kas killed by the elims, and Striker exed when he seemingly shouldn't have had. Drake posted some reasons why the elims didn't make a NK day 1, which could be him trying to buy some credibility by not killing then analyzing his choice, something Kas noted that he would do as a tricky elim player. 

Like I said, compelling case, and but the biggest reason I suspect Drake is for something I noticed last cycle - 

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Case 2 - The killers didn't kill on purpose.

The maths sorta check out wrt skipping a kill working for the elims PtV. It's 2v8->2v6->2v4->2v2->2v0 without skip, or 2v8->2v7->2v5->2v3->2v1 with skip. Assuming 2 elims. In either case, their optimal PtV is the same number of steps. The skip does make the penultimate step 2v3 instead of 2v2 -- I suppose whether this is desirable or not is a matter of preference. The 2v2 means you'd have a 50/50 shot at winning there even if your team were outed, the 2v3 means you avoid that possibility of RNG deciding the outcome of the game which is a pretty anticlimactic way to settle things.

This Path to Victory analysis done by Drake last cycle, I feel, is not done with the best intentions of the village. It blatantly disregards any and all forms of vote manipulation in a game with loads of it, and that is something that we need to be very careful of in the middle-later stages of the game. Drake is someone I expect to be well versed with this and I think he deliberately omits it here in the hopes that the village overlooks it. 

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

6 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

the only way we're going to win this game as a villager is if you vote, especially when you've already agreed that the evidence incriminating Drake is substantial

Yeah but he made good points

2 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Huh, I just thought Storm was the Target and got told one of Kas/Drake is evil and now that Kas was village, Drake was evil. I just checked and saw that we do have role flips so that's not possible until BH is dead, and since role flips exists, we know for sure that BH is not dead >> 

My bad, my initial assumption was we do not have role flips. 

Coming to Storm's post, I will include my thoughts inside the quote itself. Bold and italics mine

Like I said, compelling case, and but the biggest reason I suspect Drake is for something I noticed last cycle - 

This Path to Victory analysis done by Drake last cycle, I feel, is not done with the best intentions of the village. It blatantly disregards any and all forms of vote manipulation in a game with loads of it, and that is something that we need to be very careful of in the middle-later stages of the game. Drake is someone I expect to be well versed with this and I think he deliberately omits it here in the hopes that the village overlooks it. 

okay fine Drake.

[|TJ| he/him]

20 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Uhhhh I dont want to vote anyone?

so...

CoderDrag0n8 i dislike attacking people

I'm gonna pause my thinking cap and assume you're village for a sec. (Thinking cap back on - this above sentiment, in itself, reads like a villager. Feels very similar to how I felt when I played my first game, rolled a village Coinshot, and felt v guilty about shooting anyone)

Also, I don't think he'd take it as you attacking him, don't worry. I mean, sure, we're making cases and bouncing ideas off each other, and if Drake is village, then some of the votes on him are most likely manufacturing suspicion, but in the end we vote on players we suspect. As long as it is done in a respectful and non-rude way, you're okay! :).

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

13 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

I'm gonna pause my thinking cap and assume you're village for a sec. (Thinking cap back on - this above sentiment, in itself, reads like a villager. Feels very similar to how I felt when I played my first game, rolled a village Coinshot, and felt v guilty about shooting anyone)

Also, I don't think he'd take it as you attacking him, don't worry. I mean, sure, we're making cases and bouncing ideas off each other, and if Drake is village, then some of the votes on him are most likely manufacturing suspicion, but in the end we vote on players we suspect. As long as it is done in a respectful and non-rude way, you're okay! :).

I already voted Drake. And I know, but suddenly there was overwelming evidence for drake, and then against. So, i was confuzzled.