Revised Mistborn Era 2 Timeline

[3udier]

I know Sanderson has said he'll release an official timeline at some point but for now can we confirm Mistborn era 2 takes place directly after Wind and Truth? If so, how come Iyatil's brother still doesn't know about her death in "The Lost Metal" and does MeLaan find the Unkalaki at the end of the book?

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People crowded around, hundreds of them, with strange outfits, many with odd red hair. Lost.

p. 493 "The Lost Metal"

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by 3udier
Clarification

[Elder]

30 minutes ago, 3udier said:

I know Sanderson has said he'll release an official timeline at some point but for now can we confirm Mistborn era 2 takes place directly after stormlight? If so, how come Iyatil's brother still doesn't know about her death in "The Lost Metal" and does MeLaan find the Unkalaki at the end of the book?

 

He probably doesn’t know because Kelsier hasn’t told him.  He may wait on that info too long.

interesting horneater theory.

[a Faceless Immortal he/him]

31 minutes ago, 3udier said:

If so, how come Iyatil's brother still doesn't know about her death

I think the entirety of Era 2 happens between Taravangian claiming Honor and Shallan's conversation with Kelsier. The information about Iyatil and Mraize doesn't come out until after the events of TLM.

[Elder]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the part of TLM that mentions Iyatil is from Twin Soul’s perspective, right?

If the brother is being kept in the dark, Twin Soul is probably the same.

[JPGU]

My guess is this:

From WoK to WaT happens while the last years of Wax in the Roughs.

In the moment Retribution borns Roshar enters in the time dilation state.

Then happens all of Era 2 from alloy of law (then is the epilogue of Hoid's job interview in house Ladrian) to the lost metal.

Kelsier and Shallan talk happens after The Lost Metal, that's why Twinsoul and Dlavil doesn't seem to know that Lyatil is dead in that book.

In resume the timeline will be:

WoK > WoR > Ob > RoW > WaT (till Retribution born) > Alloy of Law > Hoid WaT Epilogue > Shadows Of Self > Bands Of Mourning > The Lost Metal > Shallan and Thaidakar talk.

[Fyodor32768]

He says to Shallan's that they've had their own crisis on Scadrial recently. I read this to mean that the conversation takes place after events of TLM.

[alder24]

12 hours ago, 3udier said:

I know Sanderson has said he'll release an official timeline at some point but for now can we confirm Mistborn era 2 takes place directly after Wind and Truth? If so, how come Iyatil's brother still doesn't know about her death in "The Lost Metal" and does MeLaan find the Unkalaki at the end of the book?

Because when Shallan finally spoke to Kelsier, it's been months on Roshar since Retribution formed, while years had passed on Scadrial. Shallan was the one who informed Kelsier about Iyatil and Mraize's death (because nobody else knew about it, certainly not Felt) and on Scadrial the events of TLM just played out (the crisis mentioned by Kel). WaT ch 147:

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And she was glad for the cloak, as Shadesmar had felt strangely cold ever since that day, months ago now, when Retribution had been born.
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"You think it has been a few months, but it has been years for us."
[...]
He fuzzed again. Then responded. “I have. I don’t know if I can make peace with you, Kholin. Killing Iyatil went too far. I accept that she must bear the consequences of her brutality, but she was my colleague—and her brother will need to be told what happened. He doesn’t know yet. We’ve had our own crisis here recently."

The timeline did not change. Whole of Mistborn Era 2 happened directly after Retribution's birth, but on Roshar just a few months had passed in that time due to time dilation. Shallan was the only person on Roshar who knew that MRaize and Iyatil were dead and she was the only one who could pass this information to Kelsier, which she did. Others, like Felt, would have suspected that they got stuck in the Spiritual Realm instead.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

10 hours ago, JPGU said:

In resume the timeline will be:

WoK > WoR > Ob > RoW > WaT (till Retribution born) > Alloy of Law > Hoid WaT Epilogue > Shadows Of Self > Bands Of Mourning > The Lost Metal > Shallan and Thaidakar talk.

I had the impression in TLM that the "golden-haired people" were new. That is they arrived in between BoM and TLM.

[Wyndle88 he/him]

What about the skybreakers that come to help at the end of TLM? Also in TLM a while has passed since the Iriali population has settled in Scadrial. 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

There is also a beggar's outfit that Hoid reactivates. I suppose in theory it could be the pre-catacendre garment we wore in Era 1. But it seems likelier that is the outfit he wore in BoM passing Waxillium the coin.

In that case he does not apply for the job with House Ladrian, but another house and TWoK - RoW take place in between BoM and TLM.

[Isilel]

1 hour ago, Wyndle88 said:

What about the skybreakers that come to help at the end of TLM?

 

We still don't know that those are actually  Skybreakers. But if they lived in Shadesmar on the edge of Rosharan space, they could have left as soon as their spren became able to do so and got out of the time dilation bubble cosmere years ahead of everyone else.

 

1 hour ago, Wyndle88 said:

Also in TLM a while has passed since the Iriali population has settled in Scadrial. 

 

A few people in Bilming couldn't be a whole country's worth of population. I assume that Iriali leadership knew in advance that an exodus was at hand and sent some scouts ahead. And then the main migration got caught in the time dilation bubble.

I'd dearly love to read about Iriali trek and their descent onto Scadrial, presumably in some uninhabited or lightly inhabited area. And then the PoV of some Scadrian explorer stumbling upon them...

@Oltux72:

It was Ladrian, the woman hiring him referenced the accident that was manufactured to fake Edwarn's and Telsin's "deaths". 

 

Edited December 14, 2024 by Isilel

[Elder]

56 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

There is also a beggar's outfit that Hoid reactivates. I suppose in theory it could be the pre-catacendre garment we wore in Era 1. But it seems likelier that is the outfit he wore in BoM passing Waxillium the coin.

In that case he does not apply for the job with House Ladrian, but another house and TWoK - RoW take place in between BoM and TLM.

I believe it’s explicitly stated that he’s applying for work with House Ladrian.  It’s also stated that Hoid has a crisis to resolve on Scadrial before he can reconnect with Valor.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

5 hours ago, Isilel said:

It was Ladrian, the woman hiring him referenced the accident that was manufactured to fake Edwarn's and Telsin's "deaths".

I stand corrected. Yet, one basic question: Why did the chapter with Hoid seeking employment come after the chapter with Shallan and Thaidakar negotiating?

And secondary question: If Ulaam knows about the blockade of Taldaine, why do they need to send out scouts?

[Isilel]

56 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

Why did the chapter with Hoid seeking employment come after the chapter with Shallan and Thaidakar negotiating?

 

Because Hoid always has the epilogues. And his part in chapter 147 comes before Shallan's. Here is what Ulaam says about the time dilation on Roshar from the Scadrian perspective:

 

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"Why, I bet it will be months before we have the full story! Months for us. Hours for them.”

 

Shallan has been travelling for months Rosharan time  to get to the former location of Cultivation's perpendicularity. Dilation was clearly becoming less extreme by that point, since according to Kelsier it is going to be 1:8 at the most once it is all done.

As to the scouts, maybe Harmony wanted his own sources of information, rather than whatever crumbs came his way from others via cosmere post? Maybe having his people out there helps him stretch his perception to wherever they are?

[Nesh he/him]

WOBs say that Era 2 takes places between SA 5 & 6, with WaT out now we can see it's a little more nuanced than that because of the time dilation.  In the WaT epilogue we see Hoid applying for the job of being Wax's coachman, which he first had in Shadows of Self.   Months after Retribution is formed Shallan contacts Kelsier, and Kell says it's been years for them, and that the time dilation hadn't quite settled yet, and it was worse at the start than it will be in once things stabilize.  Combine that with Kell's mention of a crisis and I think we can place Shadows, Bands, and Lost Metal all in that "months" long period post the formation of Retribution, where Shallan was travelling to the Horneater peaks in Shadesmar.

Alloy of Law is a bit more ambiguous, given that was a year before Shadows of Self.  Hoid was there for the Yomen-Ostlin wedding dinner, but we see him arriving some time before Shadows pretty right after Retribution is formed.  That puts Alloy before WaT.  Now a Rosharan year is 1.1 Cosmere standard years, which are equivalent to Earth years, which both Yolen and Scadrial share.  There Rhythm of War leads directly into WaT, but there was a year gap between Oathbringer and Rhythm of War.  So, given the new information that puts the main part Alloy of Law, somewhere in the Oathbringer-Rhythm of War timeskip.

 

EDIT: Disregard the bit about Alloy, when Hoid appears on Scadrial he says he'd left instructions for his things years ago, and in the epilogue, he mentions busting out his beggar costume for appearances, and that is what he wore for the wedding dinner.  So, we can place Alloy after his arrival but before the epilogue.

Edited December 16, 2024 by Nesh
Corrections

[PanicPug]

In The Lost Metal Chapter 20 Moonlight claims Harmony is the most invested shard, but Retribution should already be a thing at that point, correct? TLM takes place 6-7 years after Shadows Of Self iirc, so Hoid (with the info about Retribution existing) has been on Scadrial for years.

Is it just that the info hasn't reached her yet?

[Treamayne]

31 minutes ago, PanicPug said:

In The Lost Metal Chapter 20 Moonlight claims Harmony is the most invested shard, but Retribution should already be a thing at that point, correct? TLM takes place 6-7 years after Shadows Of Self iirc, so Hoid (with the info about Retribution existing) has been on Scadrial for years.

Is it just that the info hasn't reached her yet?

More likely Harmony is still the most invested Shard. There are no Splinters of Preservation or Ruin - but there are still Splinters of Odium (Unmade) and Splinters of Honor (Spren, Honorblades, etc.). It's not necessarily a significant difference, but it is a difference. 

As for AoL. It does seem odd. The Coach accident is directly referenced as to why the job is being advertised. But we know the Coachman in AoL was Krenk despite Hoid being hired for the position. While it might be possible "Krenk" was a Hoid alias, we see Miss Grimes calling him by the name Hoid in the WaT Epilogue. 

My best guess, pending futher evidence, is that the WaT Epilogue is before (or during) AoL. House Ladrian simply has more than one Coachman. It's stated in AoL that the coach that "killed" Edwarn and Telsin was from the Outer Estates. Since we don't know where they are in relation to Elendel, but we do know they are near mountains, means that they are at the rim of the basin. This, to me, implies that Edwarn and co. would have travelled by canal or rail to the Outer Estates. If the Coachman was in on the plan, then that coachman might have travelled with them. So, Krenk may have been the outer estates coachman, temporarily moved to Elendel (despite not knowing the city - as Grimes confirms Hoid does in the interview) who then either quit or moved back after Tillaume blew the mansion up.