Long Game 102: Re-Awakening at the House on the Hill

[Araris Valerian he/him]

The turn has ended!

[Araris Valerian he/him]

The group of would-be explorers was muted after seeing the butler's corpse, but eventually some fingers were pointed, and both Father Rhinehardt and Kirc found Keisser to be the most suspicious. Keisser, seeing the potential for his companions to turn violent, turned and ran into the ground floor hallway. Kirc, forcefully sobered up by the lack of his preferred sort of spirits in the House, made to chase after, but when he'd taken a couple of steps a crunch sounded from the hall. Kirc slowed, and his steps were far more cautious as he peered around the doorway. A dozen feet down the corridor was a hole in the floor, the jagged floorboards seeming to form the teeth of a gaping maw. As Kirc watched, the damaged planks seemed to grow, filling the gap until the floor was as seamless as the night before. He shuddered in horror, wishing anything that he could find a drink.

Night had fallen, and everyone split off to search the House for a way to escape, though everyone who took the first floor corridor took care to stick to the wall, avoiding the patch of floor that had swallowed up Keisser. 

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Keisser @The Unknown Order was an Innocent Explorer!

Vote Count:
Keisser (2): Rhinehardt, Kirc
Kanem (1): Aero Yee
Aero Yee (1): Kanem
Leander (1): Aven

Night 1 has begun, and will end at 11PM Eastern time on Tuesday, September 17th. Players may send an order to explore the house for a clue to the current scenario (with any flavor they want). The floor you explore no longer matters.

Also, PMs are still open, must contain myself and CadCom, and must be 1-1.

Player List:

Spoiler

1. The Unknown Order as Keisser, a tardy veteran Innocent Explorer
2. @Coffeecat as Coffee Cat, an insomniac feline
3. @Aeoryi as Aero Yee, a spook shooter
4. @Lego Mistborn as The Nameless Recluse
5. @Elandera as Leander, a paranormal investigator
6. @Lord Spirit as Kirc, a clueless drunk
7. @Sart as Father Rhinehardt, an ageless priest
8. @Kasimir as Kanem, who's tired
9. @Aeternum as Aven, who's quiet
10. @Just a Silvereye as Junior Junior, the local grump

 

[Kasimir he/him]

K. Short on time so current thoughts:

-Willing to lean V on Sart for the moment. Not super confident of it due to having a bit of error in that TJ QF vis-a-vis Sart but Sart's last post seems a bit V to me. Aware that CC tends to be E!Sart's MO but he also tends to be more blatant about it. Willingness to be spicy is a bit more V from him, but mixed with wariness because of the E!Sart v. V!Aman LG92.

-Aeo still in PoE for me.

-Sidenote that I didn't like Aet's sleeping the elimination mention - it's a bad choice in S1 and S3 and it makes me consider an E!Aet S3 world but Aet's longpost also gives him credit in my eyes. Giving up tempo is not good in S1 (normal SE game), and it's especially not good in S3 (conversion on stilts where one read gets washed) so if we're in S3, this makes me more willing to consider an E!Aet world but he'll also hop tonight so that's not actionable. Overall, still willing to V Aet.

-Nothing off Coffee. I'd like to lean a little V on this, but I also feel that's credit for doing little, and I don't like that, so Coffee formally stays in PoE. I believe E!Coffee and SK!Coffee should be readable, so there's no reason to keep the bar low.

-/shrug on Lego's explanation. It does mean Lego has put himself in the player profile there which I'd be wary of, but also is understandable. Newness definitely means Lego will have difficulty generating and staying with an exe, so I guess some salt. Am a bit more willing to believe S3 E!Lego than S1 E!Lego.

-Did not particularly like Elan's post. Felt like a nothing post, and that's a good place to be in wrt an ongoing exe without sticking your neck out.

-Trying to work out how I feel about Silvereye's post. Recollection that Stick found E!Silvereye by closereading so someone with more SAN and time gotta do that. @Just a Silvereye What's your current read of Sart? You mentioned you thought his vote was bait. (I guess if forced to, I would say I don't get much off of Silver's post, so the null - it reads kind of safe to me, and Silver didn't end up voting at all, so that's something I'd be wary of.)

- @Lord Spirit, could you explain the mentality behind your TUO vote a little more? Italicising Spirit under nulls because I never really like first game new stuff and also feel hesitance on the draw tends to be a bit more common. Could be convinced to downgrade Spirit.

V lean: Sart
Ok I guess: Aet
Null: Lego, Coffee, Spirit, Silvereye
Ehhhh: Elan, Aeo

Everyone should be sending in an Exploration order tonight. By and large if you're not doing anything anyway, this will help us clarify the mapgen.

[Lord Spirit he/him]

7 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

@Lord Spirit, could you explain the mentality behind your TUO vote a little more? Italicising Spirit under nulls because I never really like first game new stuff and also feel hesitance on the draw tends to be a bit more common. Could be convinced to downgrade Spirit.

The way I see it (in normal mafia) is that voting for someone on the first day is better than not. If you kill someone you have a small chance of killing the mafia, whereas if you don’t kill anyone, the next death will not be a mafia. I’m aware this game is more complex than normal mafia, but I’m just sticking to what I know. I don’t know how anyone here plays, so I chose to vote TUO based on the little evidence I had. 

[Kasimir he/him]

1 hour ago, Lord Spirit said:

The way I see it (in normal mafia) is that voting for someone on the first day is better than not. If you kill someone you have a small chance of killing the mafia, whereas if you don’t kill anyone, the next death will not be a mafia. I’m aware this game is more complex than normal mafia, but I’m just sticking to what I know. I don’t know how anyone here plays, so I chose to vote TUO based on the little evidence I had. 

K. On the assumption I'm way shorter on time than I'd like, could you just humour me and go over your evidence? I'm trying to understand your thought process. 

I take it you play mafia elsewhere then.

[Lord Spirit he/him]

4 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

K. On the assumption I'm way shorter on time than I'd like, could you just humour me and go over your evidence? I'm trying to understand your thought process. 

I take it you play mafia elsewhere then.

He was in the basement and he asked who wanted to die. I've only played in real life.

[Kasimir he/him]

26 minutes ago, Lord Spirit said:

He was in the basement and he asked who wanted to die. I've only played in real life.

ty.

Don't have the time to process this: tentatively feel this is not really a push a new(er?) player would've felt comfortable with as E, but acknowledge the newness screws with my ability to read Spirit.

Last thought(s) for the night which just occurred to me:

• I'm personally indifferent to S2 even though I know it matters to some, since I don't have the time or mental energy to care about winning in that world so I'm just going to go for S1/S3 play even if it's personally suboptimal for S2. 
   
• Sart's discouraged basement claims which is counterintuitive to his stated goals and probably puts me in conflict with my views on Elan. This perversely makes me more happy to V!read Sart for reasons I've explained a few times but boil down to him tending to weird me out more when V.
   

• 11 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

  Keisser (2): Rhinehardt, Kirc
  Kanem (1): Aero Yee
  Aero Yee (1): Kanem
  Leander (1): Aven

  5/10 meaning around half of everyone voted. If we work from an S1 assumption, Sart's vote was parked and Spirit seconded. Eyeballing, it looks like a low tempo cycle, so I'll stick with the "no real Elims under threat" view. Can either be interpreted as a lead issue + stability meaning no Elim incentive to vote elsewhere, which ain't great given my suspicions so far but probably reasonable given how I have the attention span of a goldfish for this game. I don't think Elan's failure to vote here really says much because Aet swaps to her at 12 minutes to rollover, which is tight. It does suggest she had some degree of comfort with the state of the votes, and that's something I wonder about in an Aeo/Elan world because Aet would have highlighted potential to move to Aeo. Weakly against them being teamed for the moment I guess? Not sure. (Keeping in mind the S1/S3 differences to E profile assumptions are a doozy...)

• [STABILITY + LEAD]: Due to Aet's late switch, hard to say but would point to at least one in <Aeo, Elan.>

• [ELSEWHERE]: Main pool in <Coffee, Lego, Aet, TUO, Silver, Elan> - all comfortable enough with state of affairs to not-vote; Aet doing the last minute pivot call can be E!flexing but I sort of think E!Aet doesn't think to flex this way (however could indicate Aet's teammate not under threat. Aet and Elan not teamed minimally I guess? TUO could've self-pressed so it's a tad risky a call for Aet to make.) In <Coffee, Lego, Aet, Silver, Elan>? I guess I'm just not really thrilled by this pool tbh. 

• Did I grouchily talk myself into vote analysis? Kinda, I gtg soon though and it wasn't what I came back to post about.

• FWIW what I actually came back to say was that something I think we shouldn't overlook wrt S3 is probably connectives - it's easy to think they're only there in S1 but the Kandra probably has to work out/ID their victim pool and this is going to influence how they react to/respond to stuff involving their prospective victim. In other words, probably run connectives on whoever who drops dead. It's going to be a little bit of NKA anyway, if done with a different valence, and might be good to cover that base.

Good night for real. No more game need to survive 12 hours of goddamn talks and "not so much a question as a comment but..." rubbish.

[Aeternum]

Lord Spirit seems like the type of player who would be calm about randing elim.

Considering how day 1 eliminations tend to go on this site, which is to say that 2 people stack and that's top wagon, sleeping the vote isn't a bad choice. Don't remember what that puts numbers at when I ran myself through the scenarios, but it might've been less than ideal if I initially had talked myself out of it.

Since no one took me up on my CFD offer, it didn't feel like any elims were in danger, but also yk, when a vanity wagon of 1 vote can pose a threat because the top wagon has 2 votes, I don't know how to read that. Easily could've been a pure wagon, and probably never w/w.

Elandera hit a scumtell and completely hedged in that entire post. Although one scumtell doesn't mean much etc and I don't feel like checking if it gets nulled, so take it with a grain of salt. Regardless, that's where I would always start tomorrow.

Sart
Kasimir

Coffeecat
Aeoryi

Lego Mistborn
Lord Spirit

Just a Silvereye
Elandera

I'm not considering any worlds other than the 2 elim world because I didn't really read the set up and am low effort posting 

[Throw TheLiving Silverware he/him/il/lui]

I'm a bit emotionally drained rn, but I'm promise RP will come... someday...

6 hours ago, Kasimir said:

.@Just a Silvereye What's your current read of Sart? You mentioned you thought his vote was bait.

I think his vote might have been bait. He started a successful train on a villager for a RP post. That's not much, but still one of the most suspicious things that happened so far because the activity is low. 

I must say though that I had written him as suspicious right off the bat for his strange refusal to say anything on N0 exploration. Which is not indicative on anything, because it's a position he already held N0, before elims were chosen. So I started with an unconscious anti-Sart bias for wrong reasons. That doesn't help.

After I left the thread yesterday, Sart doubled down on TUO's basement thing, with a completely insane reasoning. (Special mention goes to the S3 part - killing basement dwellers for their exploration having weighted a roll that already happened towards S3 lol.) But its stated goal was not to convince, but to heat up people and start something in thread. Rereading D1, I can see maybe the same intent behind the TUO vote: taking a bold position to start discussion on something, force people to take positions and talk in the thread, which is ultimately good for the village as it gives players more data to analyze afterwards. So I'm now reading as more village leaning. He's actually one of my stronger village reads (or rather least weak). 

 

I do agree, by the way, on Elandera being suspicious. She sends relatively long posts, but which contain nearly nothing. Just stating the obvious without elaborating (Sart's reasoning on basement is flimsy) and useless reactions to stuff that happened earlier ("Who wants to die?" "Uh not me!"), wrapped in (admittedly nice) RP to give an appearance of effort.

@Elandera, what do you think of the TUO train ? Of Spirit, of Sart? Of myself? Of Lego? Of Aeternum? Of exploration? Of the color of my socks? Of anything ?

 

Unrelated but I just thought of something. (Originally posted what's below as a separate message, the Shard fused my two posts.)

We get a clues that has 66% chance of being the current scenario, and 33% of being from another. Some clues are shared between two scenarios. 

How is this calculated ? Is it a first roll for "clue from this scenario or not?", then another for which clues of the selected scenario? Or a single roll with all clues having different weights ? Can the clue from another scenario be one shared with the current scenario?

Edited September 17, 2024 by Just a Silvereye

[Araris Valerian he/him]

20 minutes ago, Just a Silvereye said:

How is this calculated ? Is it a first roll for "clue from this scenario or not?", then another for which clues of the selected scenario?

Basically this. I roll a d6, on 1-4 the clue is one of the 3 clues that match the current scenario, on a 5 the clue matches the first scenario that isn't the current one, similar on a 6. But in a scenario 1 world, you could roll a 5 and still get the scenario 2 clue that is shared with scenario 1.

[Coffeecat she/her]

Sorry for the lack of input;-;

Sorry TUO I watched you die and didn't raise a hand. 

Anyways I did explore upstairs the first night, forgot to mention that

[Elandera she/her]

Leander's knee bounced as a few of the party members peppered her with questions. She may have called herself an investigator, but this was getting too real for her taste. She preferred her investigations to stay solidly in the incorporeal and paranormal realm.

4 hours ago, Just a Silvereye said:

what do you think of the TUO train ? Of Spirit, of Sart? Of myself? Of Lego? Of Aeternum? Of exploration? Of the color of my socks? Of anything ?

Breaking character to make things more clear. My last post meant this: I do not like the jump towards picking exe targets based on where they explored while simultaneously asking everyone to claim. Not only are we dealing with a bit of random chance that means our choices N0 do not necessarily determine the outcome, but pushing for claims while others are threatening certain claims is only going to cause people to either do the opposite because they don't like being told what to do (my tendency when I play) or just straight up lie, which leads to fewer answers than we need to come up with the most likely (not guaranteed) scenario.

This is especially important moving forward with exploration. We need people to be honest about clues they find so we can match more quickly what scenario we're actually in.

My lack of vote was simply because I forgot what day/time it was. I thought I had more time to analyze, though my initial instinct was to place a vote on Aeoryi or Sart. I am side-eying Lego for their vote on TUO.

[Aeoryi she/her]

I feel like I'm missing something from the exploration mechanic considering I thought it was limited to n0 only? Idk what would happen if I explored somewhere else anyways.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Writeup to come later, I had things come up tonight that I didn't expect.

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Father Rhinehardt @Sart went missing! He was an Innocent Explorer!

Day 2 has begun, and will end at 11 PM Eastern time on Thursday September 19th.

Player List:

Spoiler

1. The Unknown Order as Keisser, a tardy veteran Innocent Explorer
2. @Coffeecat as Coffee Cat, an insomniac feline
3. @Aeoryi as Aero Yee, a spook shooter
4. @Lego Mistborn as The Nameless Recluse
5. @Elandera as Leander, a paranormal investigator
6. @Lord Spirit as Kirc, a clueless drunk
7. Sart as Father Rhinehardt, an ageless priest Innocent Explorer
8. @Kasimir as Kanem, who's tired
9. @Aeternum as Aven, who's quiet
10. @Just a Silvereye as Junior Junior, the local grump

 

[Aeternum]

Elandera

[Kasimir he/him]

Fell sick on top of everything so gonna try to keep this short and say something in the morning when I wake up before conference. Or after I guess. Forgot we have 48.

Sart being killed in S1 feels like a textbook shot in some ways. In S3, I instinctively feel he picks a sideways shot, but I’m not the best at understanding how he thinks.

Aeo. Tempted to either not vote until I can work things out or double on Elan but given the low tempo of this game, I'd rather open it up.

What'd everyone get from Exploring? 

[Throw TheLiving Silverware he/him/il/lui]

Okay then. I'll vote Elandera. Btw, it's not weird to push people to claim while others are saying we should base the exe on claims, if you are also saying that basing the exe on claims doesn't work.

Didn't get anything from exploration, hope you were luckier.

[Lord Spirit he/him]

I explored the basement and found a bloody hemalurgic spike. I'm realizing that it's hard to vote when you don't know how people play. I'll wait until someone gives solid evidence (why are people voting Elandera?).

[Aeternum]

Elandera hedged extremely hard and hit a scumtell, although that part is more of a bonus rather than a read.

All I got from exploring was a bunch of flavor text.

[Aeoryi she/her]

7 hours ago, Kasimir said:

What'd everyone get from Exploring?

No one answered my question (not even Araris) so I simply did not explore as I could not seem to find it in the rules or figure it out.

 

7 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Sart being killed in S1 feels like a textbook shot in some ways. In S3, I instinctively feel he picks a sideways shot, but I’m not the best at understanding how he thinks.

Imo sc1/Sc2 probably? Sart feels more like an Elim kill/bh so

Elandera

[Lego Mistborn he/him]

Sorry about missing the night, I was in Yellowstone all day and thought I had another day let's just say the recluse likes to sleep.

I ended up in the library twice and found nothing either time. (I'm illiterate)

[Elandera she/her]

1 hour ago, Aeoryi said:

No one answered my question (not even Araris) so I simply did not explore as I could not seem to find it in the rules or figure it out.

Exploring at night is what will give us clues as to which scenario we are in. Location no longer matters, so you can just put in a vague explore action, or you can be specific for flavor/RP alone. Certain items that can be found during exploration are tied to the scenarios, which is why exploring and the. claiming what you find is really important.

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Leander woke up on the floor of the upstairs hallway, rubbing her head. There was surely a mark left from whatever had knocked her out. 

The house really didn't want her searching that room she'd found on the first night. Her search had seemed endless. She knew there was a room upstairs somewhere. A room with a desk and a four-poster bed. Instead, the hallways seemed to stretch on forever, until she'd found a door. To a closet. 

Disappointing.

As she stood, something shiny caught her eye. Excitement thrummed through her as she reached for it. A clue?!

No. A coin. It has a tiny trace of blood on it's edge, probably from where it had struck her. Was there an errant coinshot somewhere, hiding in closets that should be rooms? Odd, but it didn't actually provide any answers. 

[Kasimir he/him]

1 hour ago, Elandera said:

Exploring at night is what will give us clues as to which scenario we are in. Location no longer matters, so you can just put in a vague explore action, or you can be specific for flavor/RP alone. Certain items that can be found during exploration are tied to the scenarios, which is why exploring and the. claiming what you find is really important.

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Leander woke up on the floor of the upstairs hallway, rubbing her head. There was surely a mark left from whatever had knocked her out. 

The house really didn't want her searching that room she'd found on the first night. Her search had seemed endless. She knew there was a room upstairs somewhere. A room with a desk and a four-poster bed. Instead, the hallways seemed to stretch on forever, until she'd found a door. To a closet. 

Disappointing.

As she stood, something shiny caught her eye. Excitement thrummed through her as she reached for it. A clue?!

No. A coin. It has a tiny trace of blood on it's edge, probably from where it had struck her. Was there an errant coinshot somewhere, hiding in closets that should be rooms? Odd, but it didn't actually provide any answers. 

Was wondering if you'd claim it and was part of my reason for favouring Aeo over you as my opening vote today.

I flipped a coin between you and Aeo and RBed you.

EDIT:

Still gotta conference today but I'll try to have time for one more catch up.

-Spirit's clue does point to S1/S3 though it's inconclusive. @Lord Spirit are you claiming an Aviar btw?

-A lot of people are failing the 80% exploration chance. A bit weird and makes me wonder if someone is lying.

-My getting the RB did make me wonder if this was an S2 world since I explored the basement. But I also don't care about S2 so...

-I don't take Elan's RB to indicative she can't be Evil but I take it to indicate she wasn't the kill submitter last Night so with other things equal to me, I'd favour Aeo.

-Spirit once again hedging on solid evidence is noteworthy and I'm willing to consider a cheeky Spirit vote.

-I kind of feel it's weird to have Aeo submit a kill over Elan which goes back to my view they don't work super well as a team. Probably a third member scenario but also, Aet's call for a pivot came late enough I'm unable to feel it was super indicative. @Aeternum anyone else you remember was on besides TUN?

Edited September 18, 2024 by Kasimir

[Elandera she/her]

48 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Was wondering if you'd claim it and was part of my reason for favouring Aeo over you as my opening vote today.

My claims so far have all been said through RP. I think I mentioned having explored upstairs N0 in my first D1 post, but I might have missed it. I'm trying to keep most of my posts RP because the flavor of the game is largely why I wanted to join.

[Aeternum]

Ok I'm kind of dumb, I got a clue relating to Rithmatic Defense apparently. Probably helps if I had read the set up lol. I believe that's scenario 2?

And no, I don't remember anyone else.