Long Game 102: Re-Awakening at the House on the Hill

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

3 minutes ago, Coffeecat said:

I'm gonna be honest I have no idea what is happening yet. 

I know voting someone out is a good idea but... How do we choose? 

I'm in agreement with Aet, why is Kas already pushing someone? Why those specifically.

 

TUO was just RPing, I don't see why Aeo and Lego immediately jumped on them together?? 

 

Anyways sorry I missed the first night ;-;

If people truthfully claimed where they explored, there are some people who are more likely to be e! Than others. Namely those who explored the Basement. I don’t really expect people to be entirely truthful on this front (I'm certainly not), but it’s a reasonable method. 

[Aeoryi she/her]

I know what Kas did. You cannot hide. There is only one option.

[Aeternum]

1 hour ago, Coffeecat said:

I'm gonna be honest I have no idea what is happening yet. 

I know voting someone out is a good idea but... How do we choose? 

I'm in agreement with Aet, why is Kas already pushing someone? Why those specifically.

 

TUO was just RPing, I don't see why Aeo and Lego immediately jumped on them together?? 

 

Anyways sorry I missed the first night ;-;

Whoohoo day 1 voting, let's CFD someone at EoD!

Kasimir

I explored ground level btw.

[Lego Mistborn he/him]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Order said:

If people truthfully claimed where they explored, there are some people who are more likely to be e! Than others. Namely those who explored the Basement. I don’t really expect people to be entirely truthful on this front (I'm certainly not), but it’s a reasonable method. 

Do we know what the haunt is already? I thought we had to find out with the clues. 

2 hours ago, The Unknown Order said:

Hey! I asked who wants to die, I didn't say I want to die.

And I'm tapped out for roleplay.

Not sure about the instant double up, but I'll forgive it cause Lego seems to be going low effort.

Yeah, I felt it necessary to vote someone and you're to made you an easy target. I think I'll change my vote to a pass no vote though.

"Leave me out of this" muttered the recluse, as he tried to push back further into the corner

P.S. can we get clarification on ties? It seems sometimes rulesets nobody dies and sometimes everyone dies, and I didn't notice anything explaining that.

Edited September 16, 2024 by Lego Mistborn

[Araris Valerian he/him]

7 minutes ago, Lego Mistborn said:

I think I'll change my vote to a pass though.

This will count as no vote.

8 minutes ago, Lego Mistborn said:

P.S. can we get clarification on ties? It seems sometimes nobody dies and sometimes everyone dies, and I didn't notice anything explaining that.

Ties result in a random tied player getting executed.

[Lego Mistborn he/him]

11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

This will count as no vote.

19 minutes ago, Lego Mistborn said:

Sorry, that is what I meant by pass.

11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Ties result in a random tied player getting executed.

Thank you.

[Kasimir he/him]

3 hours ago, The Unknown Order said:

If people truthfully claimed where they explored, there are some people who are more likely to be e! Than others. Namely those who explored the Basement. I don’t really expect people to be entirely truthful on this front (I'm certainly not), but it’s a reasonable method. 

If we don't know the mapgen, how are you confident making this claim? Fishy.

3 hours ago, Coffeecat said:

I'm in agreement with Aet, why is Kas already pushing someone? Why those specifically.

I am busy with seven presentations and conferences, with one hitting me in a few hours. If I'm first in thread posting, something is wrong with the game tempo. I saw Aet and Aeo viewing earlier yesterday when the new cycle had gone up but had no time to type up a post then—I'm pushing them because I feel V!them should probably be more ready to get active and I distrust their lack of WiM. I think it's weird I beat them to the punch. I'm giving Aet some grace because he mentioned being busy enough to initially want to PH.

EDIT: Possible slip from TUN. Pretty sure Elim pool based on exploration depends on mapgen, e.g. gen3 pulls from upstairs players. Don't really believe we're in a world where we know what mapgen it is without exploration though massclaims could be nice. YMMV due to role distros.

Edited September 16, 2024 by Kasimir

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

5 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

we don't know the mapgen, how are you confident making this claim? Fishy.

...

There is a ⅓ chance (give or take) that we're in a standard SE game. That standard SE game has the most elims. The elims in a standard SE game are weighted towards Basement explorers. Therefore, people who explored the basement are more likely to be Elim than anyone else.

By similar logic, people who explored the ground floor are least likely to be elims.

It's far from certain in all cases, but statistically relevant.

[Aeoryi she/her]

I normally operate when there is sufficient information in thread (very mysterious oooooo). 

TKN is right on some things: 

- People who explored the basement are more likely to be Elim than people who did not in the standard Elim game. This is not enough justification for executing someone, though.

- The standard Elim game has the highest number of elims.

From these two points, we can extrapolate to:

- The Elims have TMI about what type of game this is; if there are 2 Elims, they know it is a standard game. If there is one, they know it is a Kandra thingy game (I think?). Keep watching for that.

- It is unlikely that the game is exactly what we think it is. Knowing that TKN stayed ground floor, and at least more than a single person visited the basement, it would be unwise to assume only one Elim. However, the correct way to continue with this day is to go on as if the game is Standard Elim. This works 66% of the time. # statistic

 

Kinda curious where everyone went If you read this, please claim which area you explored. If you are village, you should have no problem claiming. Thanks in advance.

[Aeternum]

My version of less active and busy is more like "really should be doing stuff but instead is spending 10 hours a day playing mafia anyway" tbf.

I've noticed I'm often one of the first people reading new topics posted because I lurk so much, but rarely the first person to post (I always think I'll do something wrong if I post first for some reason lol, so I usually look at thread and leave). Has applied to a couple games now.

I have been trying to slow myself down in SE games because I'm usually very active and hyper, but a lot of people play at a calmer pace here and I think I overwhelm people sometimes with the playstyle I've picked up on MU.

Would you expect this of other people in this game, or is it more specific to us two?

And fwiw, I don't think it is something you should read people off of at all, in terms of looking at when people are online. Feels really angleshoot-y.

Kasimir

(Good luck with your presentations btw!)

Probs not a slip from TUO, or at least a very good explanation cover.

Edit:

Like I said earlier, I explored ground floor.

Edited September 16, 2024 by Aeternum

[Kasimir he/him]

8 hours ago, The Unknown Order said:

There is a ⅓ chance (give or take) that we're in a standard SE game. That standard SE game has the most elims. The elims in a standard SE game are weighted towards Basement explorers. Therefore, people who explored the basement are more likely to be Elim than anyone else.

With the base probability being 20%, the most extreme situation has a 60-20-20 split which is 3/5. Curious where your confidence of convergence or lack thereof emerges from. Using epistemic probability here is a model of our ignorance, not the situation, and is akin to knowing a die is loaded and insisting the probability the loaded die will give a particular number is 1/6 because our ignorance is the measure of the die.

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After the scenario is selected, the elims/Kandra/Gun are handed out per the specific scenario. For each choice, a coin flip determines whether the player is selected from the Floor Exploration pool, or from the entire player pool. For example, if only Araris explores the Ground Floor during N0 and Scenario 2 is selected, there is a 50% chance Araris receives the Smoking Gun, and a 50% chance that anyone gets it (Araris could also get it from this roll).

It's also not a raw weightage - it's a conditional probability. You are dishonestly concealing the fact it's conditional on the original probability distribution which is not independent of the basement player pool, and that you're not baking in the 1/2 chance either. When you add up all the conditional probabilities, I'll be surprised if you get something substantive, but go off.

6 hours ago, Aeternum said:

Would you expect this of other people in this game, or is it more specific to us two?

It is specific to the two of you because Elan hasn't been active in her recent games, Sart (not highly active most games with the QF being a notable outlier) and TUN (more OTOT) are not that sort of player, and I don't have profiles of most of the others. If Drake or Aman were playing, I'd probably draw conclusions of them. I don't have a strong activity view of Coffee, and neither did I see any of the other players all mentioned in the thread at the same time as I was. 

6 hours ago, Aeternum said:

And fwiw, I don't think it is something you should read people off of at all, in terms of looking at when people are online. Feels really angleshoot-y.

I don't 'look at when people are online.' I read the thread and saw both of you there. I checked back subsequently when ready to give the game some mental energy, expecting to crunch posts and saw nothing, and then decided this was weird based off memory of your proactive Village styles. Calling this angleshooting IMO dilutes the notion of angleshooting because I did not go to each of your profiles and log your activity times. I take this to be substantively similar to someone who essentially goes 'huh, X has been lurking in the thread all day, why don't you say something' and votes. My mental path was more 'huh you lurked and vanished and normally I remember you both are keen to get into the thick of it, it shouldn't have come down to the guy with a single brain cell left from everything.' If meta votes are going to be considered angleshooting, then I'll just shrug and say it's more reason I don't play on MU.

Still not comfortable with Aeo's thread opener, and feel TUN is being disingenuous in a way that feels opportunistic. I have my eye on Sart as well - he's not doing a thing E!him tends to do, but it's early yet. I acknowledge that TUN and Sart probably aren't teamed because Sart doesn't do distancing that way but I'll work it out some other time when I have mental energy. 

Lego voting and backing off also interesting. @Lego Mistborn, what's your thought process here? Have you played these before? (I don't think I can get back in the morning before rollover so I'm just gonna say it did feel a bit opportunistic then a sudden "ah damn I shouldn't." I'd probably be less willing to squint at this in a player I have a baseline for.)

I'm /shrug on Aet, and think Aet's explanation is reasonable.

Anyone who has not shown up deserves the ghost of Araris's grouch shaking his fist at them on the porch of this piece of damned real estate.

6 hours ago, Aeternum said:

(Good luck with your presentations btw!)

Ty, one down, more suffering to come. Idgaf about votes on me because I have a two day conference coming up after tomorrow so don't expect to have mental energy for whatever that cycle will be.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, Kasimir said:

With the base probability being 20%, the most extreme situation has a 60-20-20 split which is 3/5. Curious where your confidence of convergence or lack thereof emerges from. Using epistemic probability here is a model of our ignorance, not the situation, and is akin to knowing a die is loaded and insisting the probability the loaded die will give a particular number is 1/6 because our ignorance is the measure of the die.

It's also not a raw weightage - it's a conditional probability. You are dishonestly concealing the fact it's conditional on the original probability distribution which is not independent of the basement player pool, and that you're not baking in the 1/2 chance either. When you add up all the conditional probabilities, I'll be surprised if you get something substantive, but go off.

It is specific to the two of you because Elan hasn't been active in her recent games, Sart (not highly active most games with the QF being a notable outlier) and TUN (more OTOT) are not that sort of player, and I don't have profiles of most of the others. If Drake or Aman were playing, I'd probably draw conclusions of them. I don't have a strong activity view of Coffee, and neither did I see any of the other players all mentioned in the thread at the same time as I was. 

I don't 'look at when people are online.' I read the thread and saw both of you there. I checked back subsequently when ready to give the game some mental energy, expecting to crunch posts and saw nothing, and then decided this was weird based off memory of your proactive Village styles. Calling this angleshooting IMO dilutes the notion of angleshooting because I did not go to each of your profiles and log your activity times. I take this to be substantively similar to someone who essentially goes 'huh, X has been lurking in the thread all day, why don't you say something' and votes. My mental path was more 'huh you lurked and vanished and normally I remember you both are keen to get into the thick of it, it shouldn't have come down to the guy with a single brain cell left from everything.' If meta votes are going to be considered angleshooting, then I'll just shrug and say it's more reason I don't play on MU.

Still not comfortable with Aeo's thread opener, and feel TUN is being disingenuous in a way that feels opportunistic. I have my eye on Sart as well - he's not doing a thing E!him tends to do, but it's early yet. I acknowledge that TUN and Sart probably aren't teamed because Sart doesn't do distancing that way but I'll work it out some other time when I have mental energy. 

Lego voting and backing off also interesting. @Lego Mistborn, what's your thought process here? Have you played these before? (I don't think I can get back in the morning before rollover so I'm just gonna say it did feel a bit opportunistic then a sudden "ah damn I shouldn't." I'd probably be less willing to squint at this in a player I have a baseline for.)

I'm /shrug on Aet, and think Aet's explanation is reasonable.

Anyone who has not shown up deserves the ghost of Araris's grouch shaking his fist at them on the porch of this piece of damned real estate.

Ty, one down, more suffering to come. Idgaf about votes on me because I have a two day conference coming up after tomorrow so don't expect to have mental energy for whatever that cycle will be.

I think it's important to recall the context where I first mentioned this. I wasn't (and am not) extolling it. I put it forward as a method that certain people (I was referencing you cause I wasn't sure on your logic for voting Aeo, I figured it was along those lines) might use. I don’t know how it's supposed to be opportunistic when I'm not using the opportunities that viewpoint would give me.

[Lord Spirit he/him]

This is more complicated than I thought... (first time playing)

I explored upstairs and didn't find anything. 

I guess I'll vote Keissier, as asking who wants to die is weird, although it's also not really something a guilty person would say.

I'm open to advice or help.

[Aeternum]

Tbf this is not exactly a good first game with how complicated everything is. This is also an incredibly slow game. Kas is putting in 90% of the work and he is supposed to be one of the least active people this game. I'd just give thoughts on posts or something just to put some game content out there, idk. You don't have to vote, and I'm kind of considering sleeping the elimination could work (if that's a thing? For people to vote for no elimination?).

And no, meta is not angleshooting and that's not what I meant. I'm a chronic meta reader, it is allowed there, etc. Moving on.

I tend to write posts in notes, so I'm not quoting things, and it's also been one page of gameplay. I'm playing this like it is a standard game until everyone yells at me that it's not, for my sanity.

Aeo is underwhelming between her first three posts, she's looking very yeetable. Probably pro-town at least to be asking everyone to claim where they explored, since the elims would already know. Not super concerned with her right now, could probably go into meta on her being less active as elim sometimes, but like meh.

TUO's post that everyone seems to dislike about asking who wants to die was a RP post, so I think it is a lot different than if TUO, out of RP, said that line. Overall, I like TUO's explanation of why we should be assuming worst (I suppose) scenario. Fine with him.

Lego Mistborn doubling up on that TUO vote is probably not that indicative, at least given that it is early game, but Sart/Lego Mistborn probs unpaired. Elims generally do tend to like to jump on wagons early etc etc, but it is easily just a town vote. Especially given how fast he backed off and the reason he gave. Not really concerning.

Coffecat's one post is worthy of getting sniped, but alas I can't do that, and Coffee is one of those players I tend to always read as wolfy, from experience, so it's probably more town indicative.

Lord Spirit gets a pass because I'm sometimes nice to new players, although both times I have given a newbie a pass, they were elims

Kas is fine.

On the flipside of people I would yeet.

Elandera hasn't posted anything AI.

Sart's TUO vote is RVS (random voting stage for Lord Spirit's sake, when people just vote to poke for reactions). Otherwise, nothing there and can join the like, half the game that I would yeet today because I'm setting the bar so low.

And anyone not mentioned may as well not exist.

Shooting blindly in a not very active game doesn't really get anywhere, so yeah, fun times that everyone who posted something mildly AI gets a pass.

[Throw TheLiving Silverware he/him/il/lui]

I checked who explored where. If everyone was truthful in thread, we have:

Basement: Kasimir, Silvereye, TUO 

Hallway: Lego, Aeternum, Aeoryi 

Upstairs: Spirit, Elandera 

Did not want to tell : Sart

Missed the night: Coffee Cat

 

So more or less equal distribution between the roles; Sart's choice would only change the probabilities by a small margin. We can't really use that data to guess the scenario IMHO.

I mostly agree that we should assume a worst case scenario of 2 or even 3 standard elims, at least until we get more clues from exploring. That said, trying to guess who the elims are by looking at the probabilities in the multiple elims scenario, as TUO is trying to do, is uuuh dubious (see Kasimir's post, which I pretty much entirely agree with).

To stay on TUO: he has so far made a RP post where his character smiles like a maniac while saying "who wants do die today", then spent an entire page saying that we should be suspicious of people who explored the basement after exploring the basement himself. If he is an elim, then that is an interesting strategy. So I'm tempted to put him as slight village. But evil TUO could very well be hoping to trigger that reaction.

Sart's only post where he votes TUO for his RP could indeed be a bait for other players to vote TUO. But it also feels too evident, so I won't vote for him rn.

Kas does feel somewhat villagey.

Nothing really useful on the others. Well technically yes but stuff like "Aeternum feels off in some way but also genuine in some way so in conclusion I don't know" is useful without being useful. (I'm talking about Aet, but this applies to basically everyone.)

 

I'll RP later (in N1), not the energy tonight. Also, just need to mention that rollover is at 5AM my time, so dont expect me in the last hours of cycles lol.

 

VC:

Aeoryi: Kasimir (1)

TUO: Sart, Spirit (2)

Edited September 16, 2024 by Just a Silvereye
Added last paragraph

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Can just make it clear that, one (1), I did not, am not, and will not advocate for exing or even being suspicious of those who explored the basement. I said some people might think that, and why thinking that isn’t completely stupid, but not that I agreed. And two (2), I explicitly stated that where Keißer explored has no relevance to where I explored (if you know me well, you could probably guess where, but I actually messed up and said the wrong location so who knows).

[Aeoryi she/her]

33 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

Can just make it clear that, one (1), I did not, am not, and will not advocate for exing or even being suspicious of those who explored the basement. I said some people might think that, and why thinking that isn’t completely stupid, but not that I agreed. And two (2), I explicitly stated that where Keißer explored has no relevance to where I explored (if you know me well, you could probably guess where, but I actually messed up and said the wrong location so who knows).

I sort of painted that misconception myself; but my point was not that you thought it was suspicious; my point was that it was insufficient. Probably some Elim activity there pushing things in bad faith (sideyeing Kas) hmmm.....

[Lego Mistborn he/him]

8 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Lego voting and backing off also interesting. @Lego Mistborn, what's your thought process here? Have you played these before? (I don't think I can get back in the morning before rollover so I'm just gonna say it did feel a bit opportunistic then a sudden "ah damn I shouldn't." I'd probably be less willing to squint at this in a player I have a baseline for.)

I'm very new (second game of SE). I also just didn't have great reason to vote how I did, hearing other people's suspicions made me hesitant enough to watch things play out more.

P.S. Happy Birthday Aeoryi

Edited September 16, 2024 by Lego Mistborn

[Sart he/him]

Father Rhinehardt examined the too quiet crowd. No one wanted to address what needed to be done. Someone had clearly trapped them in here, but everyone was hesitant to accuse one another. This would not do. If everyone stayed quiet, they would not be able to discern who was against them. But how to drive discussion? Rhinehardt decided to make a bold proclamation, in order to spur disagreement.

"From Day 2 and onward, it is best to kill those who went to the basement."

That was the cold, hard truth. However, Rhinehardt was a man of faith, not a man of science. Just because something was technically true, did not make it right. This idea of killing someone based on the smallest of choices was distasteful. Still, it gave them a frame of reference, a way to color the discussion. He would first defend his bold claim. Then he would argue why they should not religiously follow it.

"By divine insight we know of three possible scenarios in which we may be trapped. I will go through each of them."

"In the first scenario, there is a group of vagabonds set out against us. There would be at least two of them. We know that they would be concentrated in the basement, to do their dark rights. It would be a coin flip whether they explored down there, or ventured above, to blend in with the others. With two of them, it would be highly likely that at least one would be in the basement. By his reckoning, there was at least an 80% chance of one being down there, if this scenario was picked. This is the best reason for hunting the basement."

"However, detractors would say that that is only one scenario. Therefore, we must consider other possibilities. Let us consider the second scenario." The worst scenario, he mentally added. "In this, we are trapped here in a state of madness. It would be every man for himself. A bloodbath." He did not like to consider it, but it could happen. "In this scenario, who should we target? Simple. Anyone who has an advantage over the rest of us. And who would that be? Simple. Anyone who explored the basement. They would be the one with roles and special gifts. Is this a good justification for killing someone? Not particularly, but in this scenario, we won't really need one."

"Now, let us address the final scenario. In this one, a shapeshifter would be puppeteering our corpses. A dreadful prospect, but that gives us clues as to his identity. Where would this serial killer leap to? It would essentially be random. But here's the kicker. What would cause this scenario? A preponderance of people heading to the basement. Therefore, if the kill truly was random, to play the odds, we would kill those in the basement. This is the weakest argument though. The kandra would be smart, and by me announcing this strategy out loud, it creates an I know you know situation. In addition, the distribution of who explored what appears to be relatively even, so this is not foolproof. To be clear, it is a weak argument, but an argument none the less."

"So, in all three scenarios, there are reasonable arguments for executing someone in the basement. However, I am loathe to surrender to a god of probability. We cannot rely on mere luck to survive this. We must have faith! We must examine our fellows, and determine if they are possessed by some evil spirit. That is why communication is critical. I am disappointed by the lack of talk. I know I have been guilty of this, but I hope this can make a discussion more fruitful."

"As for my vote, I am content for where it is. That man was clearly crazed leaving the basement, and nothing he has said since has made me trust him more. He has backpedaled on his claims, floating the idea of killing those in the basement, but not following up on it. With this little of information to go on, I gladly vote for him."

[Aeoryi she/her]

A lot of talk for not a lot of words

 

Regardless, Spare Sart.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

That's actually decent logic Father, (Sart).

@Sart care to reveal where you have ventured?

[Elandera she/her]

I really shouldn't have slept the entire night.

Leander took out her notebook and started jotting down things that stuck out to her. Whatever was happening could be entirely random. Statistical anomalies were rare, but was it so unheard of when dealing with a mansion that popped back into existence overnight? Leander knew better than most that the Gods of Luck and Chance could be fickle.

There were clues somewhere, hidden among the lavish trappings of the home and in the flower words of the others. 

22 minutes ago, Sart said:

"From Day 2 and onward, it is best to kill those who went to the basement."

An odd proclamation when there was little to base it on. And even more unnerving when considering the implications. Honesty would not be easily gained through threats.

18 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

If you are village, you should have no problem claiming.

Another odd proclamation. There was plenty of reason to not be honest, not the least of which were the threats already abound. Leander thought that alone was reason enough to not tie any assumption of innocence - or guilt - to a declaration of exploration.

They all needed more information if they were to figure out who could be to blame for the butler's death.

The house was playing tricks.

Leander suppressed another smile. The house was playing tricks. Incredible! This was more than she ever could have asked for with her first investigation.

[Sart he/him]

26 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

A lot of talk for not a lot of words

 

Regardless, Spare Sart.

It got people talking, so I'd consider it a success. Any chance of a vote?

11 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

That's actually decent logic Father, (Sart).

@Sart care to reveal where you have ventured?

Thank you, but I'd like to decline. In every scenario, it's a disadvantage for me to reveal it. If there's an elim, whether a group of serial killer, it would reveal if I'm likely to have an item. If it's a free for all, I don't want anyone knowing what I have. Given that everyone claims to have distributed themselves fairly evenly, it doesn't impact the probability all that much. Who do you vote for? Last I checked, you're the one on the chopping block.

8 minutes ago, Elandera said:

I really shouldn't have slept the entire night.

Leander took out her notebook and started jotting down things that stuck out to her. Whatever was happening could be entirely random. Statistical anomalies were rare, but was it so unheard of when dealing with a mansion that popped back into existence overnight? Leander knew better than most that the Gods of Luck and Chance could be fickle.

There were clues somewhere, hidden among the lavish trappings of the home and in the flower words of the others. 

An odd proclamation when there was little to base it on. And even more unnerving when considering the implications. Honesty would not be easily gained through threats.

Another odd proclamation. There was plenty of reason to not be honest, not the least of which were the threats already abound. Leander thought that alone was reason enough to not tie any assumption of innocence - or guilt - to a declaration of exploration.

They all needed more information if they were to figure out who could be to blame for the butler's death.

The house was playing tricks.

Leander suppressed another smile. The house was playing tricks. Incredible! This was more than she ever could have asked for with her first investigation.

At least it roused you. I knew it would be a controversial statement, but I needed to kick start the conversation. It's essentially killing based on role distribution, which is a path that leads to madness. I think we're all going mad in here though, so I might as well bring it up. Any vote?

[Aeternum]

38 minutes ago, Elandera said:

I really shouldn't have slept the entire night.

Leander took out her notebook and started jotting down things that stuck out to her. Whatever was happening could be entirely random. Statistical anomalies were rare, but was it so unheard of when dealing with a mansion that popped back into existence overnight? Leander knew better than most that the Gods of Luck and Chance could be fickle.

There were clues somewhere, hidden among the lavish trappings of the home and in the flower words of the others. 

An odd proclamation when there was little to base it on. And even more unnerving when considering the implications. Honesty would not be easily gained through threats.

Another odd proclamation. There was plenty of reason to not be honest, not the least of which were the threats already abound. Leander thought that alone was reason enough to not tie any assumption of innocence - or guilt - to a declaration of exploration.

They all needed more information if they were to figure out who could be to blame for the butler's death.

The house was playing tricks.

Leander suppressed another smile. The house was playing tricks. Incredible! This was more than she ever could have asked for with her first investigation.

Scumtell spotted? What is your stance on both statements?

Elandera I'd be willing to CFD someone or consolidate my vote onto someone else.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

21 minutes ago, Sart said:

Who do you vote for?

No preference. I don’t normally vote d1 and this d1 is less certain than most. I'll probably self press on a Basement dweller if given the choice.