+Oltux72 he/him Posted March 6, 2024 Posted March 6, 2024 2 hours ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said: *cough* TLM *cough* That was not a story set in the far future. 3 hours ago, Elegy said: Further information from the stream: It's not narrated by Hoid, it's the farthest in the Cosmere we've seen canonically, and it's something he'd wanted to write for a while. Allomancer Jak in the pits of Partinel A tineye and his trusty slugthrower revealing the secrets of the dastardly ShoDel.
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted March 6, 2024 Posted March 6, 2024 1 hour ago, Oltux72 said: That was not a story set in the far future. Ah, sorry. I just saw "highly connected" next to "complications," and made a jump.
AonEne he/him Posted March 7, 2024 Posted March 7, 2024 17 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Then why future Cosmere with many connections? That is most trouble in terms of spoilers and getting things coordinated. Not sure how that was relevant to what you were replying to? Dragons will presumably still be around in the space age. And yeah, if Brandon's writing something like this, I fully expect him to adhere to the timeline and things (though not to remember it himself lol). 1
Use the Falchion Posted March 7, 2024 Posted March 7, 2024 18 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Then why future Cosmere with many connections? That is most trouble in terms of spoilers and getting things coordinated. Because it takes place in the future...? I don't see why it having to do with Dragons has anything to do with it being nonindicative of a future Cosmere novel. Dragons were important in the past, yes, but they also still exist in the future. Writing future-era stuff is going to be complicated no matter what it is, so I don't know why dragons specifically have anything to do with it. If you're worried about it because dragons are incredibly long-lived and may have seen multiple cataclysmic events in the Cosmere, there are several solutions around this IMO, most of which Brandon already implemented with the Secret Projects: 1. Don't bring it up if it doesn't relate to our hero, or keep it vague. Nomad doesn't talk a lot about his past adventures and history, so we the readers don't know everything either. We can piece together a lot, but since not all of it has a set timeline, we're left guessing and Sanderson has wiggle room. 2. Write from the perspective of someone who wasn't present. Tress, Yumi, and Painter have no idea of the larger Cosmere. As such, it's easier to avoid Future Cosmere spoilers and timeline stuff. 3. Have it take place on a planet that isn't very connected. None of the Cosmere Secret Projects take place on influential planets in the Cosmere, and as such they avoid a lot of the intergalactic politicking. Setting the story on a planet like this means that you can reference the politics and have Cosmere connections without it being too spoilery. Or at least that's how I see it. Brandon may revisit one of these strategies or do something different. But regardless, none of this means that he can or can't use dragons. 18 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Aethers are preshattering and interesting stuff had already happened to them in Lost Metal. Why future? Because Aethers are still important and being examined, even in the future. And because Brandon likes them. Tress is all about Aethers and it's easily one of the farthest along of any currently released Cosmere novel. (Only Yumi and Sixth are likely to take place around the same time. Sunlit takes place earlier IMO, since space-travel is still relatively new to Nomad.) See, if you wanted to take down my point about Aethers, you should have mentioned that Brandon calls it a series in the 2023 SOTS, not that it's not relevant. Despite that, I think your logic of "it's relevant in the past so it can't be important in the future" is a flawed one. Brandon will write what he wants to write. If he wants Aethers (which were prominently featured in two separate books only three months apart at best, happening in two VASTLY different eras of the Cosmere) or Dragons or even Aviars to be important in the past and the future, then that will be the case. Yes, both Aethers and dragons predate the Shattering. They also survived the Shattering and are still around as of Tress. Who's to say that they aren't thriving in the wider Cosmere a little later down the line than Tress? 12 hours ago, alder24 said: I don't think it's The Grand Apparatus, or Kingmaker because we wouldn't really need a title reveal. I agree with Kingmaker, but I'm not sold on The Grand Apparatus. To me, the Grand Apparatus implied the name of a place, not necessarily a title. The two aren't mutually exclusive, as Elantris is a city and a title; but to me, naming the book The Grand Apparatus would be akin to naming the Stormlight Archive Roshar. But who knows. 12 hours ago, alder24 said: I think Mythos is a solid candidate. Not only the Backerkit description suggests that ("a mythic worldhopper adventure"), but I've also found a WoB about the name being a nickname and another one where Brandon said he wanted to write about it for a while now, which is the same thing he said about SP5 in the livestream. Both WoBs are from December 2022 and that's around when he started to write KoWT - so it would fit that Mythos appeared in WoBs when he started to develop it as a break from SA5. But other than that Mythos is a place/planet we know nothing about it, there are no WoBs about it. Oh, that's a great choice! I'd love to see what Sanderson has in mind for Mythos, and the purple/burgundy feels like it could fit that color scheme. 3
+Oltux72 he/him Posted March 7, 2024 Posted March 7, 2024 6 hours ago, AonEne said: Not sure how that was relevant to what you were replying to? Dragons will presumably still be around in the space age. And yeah, if Brandon's writing something like this, I fully expect him to adhere to the timeline and things (though not to remember it himself lol). Because it would mean that Brandon is causing himself extra work for no gain. 5 hours ago, Use the Falchion said: Writing future-era stuff is going to be complicated no matter what it is, so I don't know why dragons specifically have anything to do with it. That is exactly the point. Why go to that trouble to write about dragons?
AonEne he/him Posted March 7, 2024 Posted March 7, 2024 1 hour ago, Oltux72 said: Because it would mean that Brandon is causing himself extra work for no gain. That is exactly the point. Why go to that trouble to write about dragons? First - why would it mean that? The book is already high connectivity, whatever complication level it is is something Brandon chose. And I don't think he's shying away from things that have lots of moving pieces. Also, what does "gain" mean to you? Why wouldn't dragons be adding anything to the story (especially when we don't know how they'd be involved if they were)? Because he loves dragons. He's been talking about them a lot lately, but even before that, we knew he liked dragons and fully intended to write them into the cosmere more. Even if it was more trouble, I imagine he'd find it worth it because dragons. (Valid of him.) 3
+Oltux72 he/him Posted March 7, 2024 Posted March 7, 2024 2 minutes ago, AonEne said: First - why would it mean that? The book is already high connectivity, whatever complication level it is is something Brandon chose. And I don't think he's shying away from things that have lots of moving pieces. Also, what does "gain" mean to you? Why wouldn't dragons be adding anything to the story (especially when we don't know how they'd be involved if they were)? Because he loves dragons. He's been talking about them a lot lately, but even before that, we knew he liked dragons and fully intended to write them into the cosmere more. Even if it was more trouble, I imagine he'd find it worth it because dragons. (Valid of him.) Because SA#6 to SA#10 haven't been written. Neither have the next eras of Mistborn and countless other things. Whenever he writes something in the far future, he risks contradicting himself or having to abandon cool new ideas for those books, because they would contradict SP#5. He would avoid much of that trouble by writing a book roughly contemporary to SA#5 or TLM. In addition, whenever he writes something in the future Cosmere, he risks spoiling future books he will still write. (Sunlit Man) Spoiler Just like we now can be quite sure that Kaladin survives SA#5 to SA#10 And that a Dawnshard will feature in SA#5 If he wants to write about dragons, he can set a book at the same time as TLM and avoid those risks, respectively the work to minimize them, at no cost. Unless you want to propose that he wants to write specifically about dragons in space ships, which is very specific, hence unlikely (and without evidence), why, if he wants to write about dragons, not set the book in Silverlight at the time of TLM, just to give an example? 2 minutes ago, AonEne said: First - why would it mean that? The book is already high connectivity, whatever complication level it is is something Brandon chose. And I don't think he's shying away from things that have lots of moving pieces. Also, what does "gain" mean to you? Why wouldn't dragons be adding anything to the story (especially when we don't know how they'd be involved if they were)? Because he loves dragons. He's been talking about them a lot lately, but even before that, we knew he liked dragons and fully intended to write them into the cosmere more. Even if it was more trouble, I imagine he'd find it worth it because dragons. (Valid of him.) "Gain" in this context is an interesting story. Dragons are cool. Yet they are almost equally cool at any time. So why set a story into a time period that is harder to write about? I see no reason. Now, I would like to see a book about dragons. And you can find evidence that Brandon will write about dragons. It is just the combination of dragons and far future that makes less sense. Hence I would conclude that he wrote about something that has to be far future. For example, MeLaan rediscovering Yolen. It intrinsically has to be a future setting.
alder24 Posted March 7, 2024 Posted March 7, 2024 4 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Because it would mean that Brandon is causing himself extra work for no gain. That is exactly the point. Why go to that trouble to write about dragons? I really don't see your point with Aethers and dragons. Because dragons are cool, they own corporations, they have palaces in Silverlight, one of them Ascended, they are worshiped all across Cosmere, they are scientists (Xisis), they were already relevant in the space era of Cosmere (Xisis) so why can't they be more relevant in the same time period as Tress? Aethers are also really relevant to the future of Cosmere, from TLM we know Aethers are in need and are searching allies to fight the dark Aether - something that will happen in the future of Cosmere. Spoiler Brent Worthington At one point, I remember it being said that Roshar, Scadrial, and Sel are the three most important worlds in the cosmere, but I can't remember if that was ever canonized, much less if it's still the case. Brandon Sanderson I would say that they are the most important, yes. Depends on how you'd count Yolen, where it all started. But I would say those narratives, those book series, are the pillars of how I envisioned the Cosmere. But there's lots of worlds that are important, and there are plenty of them that we haven't gone to, yet. I often talk about the aethers, which are really relevant to the future of the cosmere, but I have not managed to get them in, a book about them, yet. It will happen. YouTube Livestream 35 (Sept. 9, 2021) 3 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Because SA#6 to SA#10 haven't been written. Neither have the next eras of Mistborn and countless other things. Whenever he writes something in the far future, he risks contradicting himself or having to abandon cool new ideas for those books, because they would contradict SP#5. He would avoid much of that trouble by writing a book roughly contemporary to SA#5 or TLM. In addition, whenever he writes something in the future Cosmere, he risks spoiling future books he will still write. By this logic Brandon should not write anything in the future because that risks spoiling present books. Yumi, Tress, Sunlit, SotD, or even TLN should not have been written because they contain spoilers to SA 5/10 and Mistborn Era 3/4. But they were written, they don't spoil books, they tease them with little facts that tell us nothing about how SA/Mistborn will progress. He can include dragons and Aethers in his story and don't spoil us present Cosmere - just like he did in Tress. Brandon wants to simply explore the future of Cosmere right now, without waiting 30 years for other series to catch up. He can clearly do it without spoiling anything important - as proven by all books set in the future and 3 Secret Projects he just wrote. High connectivity doesn't mean lots of spoilers for current books. 3 hours ago, Oltux72 said: (Sunlit Man) Hide contents Just like we now can be quite sure that Kaladin survives SA#5 to SA#10 And that a Dawnshard will feature in SA#5 Disagree on both points. 3 hours ago, Oltux72 said: "Gain" in this context is an interesting story. Dragons are cool. Yet they are almost equally cool at any time. So why set a story into a time period that is harder to write about? Because dragons running a corporation and using futuristic magic-tech is more interesting than dragons with swords. It's harder to write about a world overrun by crabs and about people with mental health problems, but that just makes a far better story - that's the reason to write it. 1
+Oltux72 he/him Posted March 7, 2024 Posted March 7, 2024 33 minutes ago, alder24 said: By this logic Brandon should not write anything in the future because that risks spoiling present books. Yumi, Tress, Sunlit, SotD, or even TLN should not have been written because they contain spoilers to SA 5/10 and Mistborn Era 3/4. But they were written, they don't spoil books, they tease them with little facts that tell us nothing about how SA/Mistborn will progress. He can include dragons and Aethers in his story and don't spoil us present Cosmere - just like he did in Tress. Brandon was forced to limit himself. The main protagonists were not cosmere aware (one exception of course). The far future stories were set on remote planets without permanent connections to other worlds. 33 minutes ago, alder24 said: Because dragons running a corporation and using futuristic magic-tech is more interesting than dragons with swords. It's harder to write about a world overrun by crabs and about people with mental health problems, but that just makes a far better story - that's the reason to write it. Will Honor be reforged? - A dragon or a core aether must know. Will Discord be defeated? - A dragon or a core aether must know. Will Odium be free of the Rosharan system? - A dragon or a core aether must know. Is Autonomy waging war? - A dragon or a core aether must know. It is the same issue as having Jasnah PoV chapters. If you have a dragon protagonist running a big corporation, they need to consider these things.
alder24 Posted March 7, 2024 Posted March 7, 2024 Just now, Oltux72 said: Brandon was forced to limit himself. The main protagonists were not cosmere aware (one exception of course). The far future stories were set on remote planets without permanent connections to other worlds. But the narrator was, in all three SP The same can be done with a new story about dragons and Aethers. I really see no difference. It's not important to their story so don't mention it. 1 minute ago, Oltux72 said: Will Honor be reforged? - A dragon or a core aether must know. Will Discord be defeated? - A dragon or a core aether must know. Will Odium be free of the Rosharan system? - A dragon or a core aether must know. Is Autonomy waging war? - A dragon or a core aether must know. No, they don't. Why would they mention it, if it's not relevant to their story? Sure, they will know, but it doesn't matter in their story. Did Xisis start ranting about Odium in Tress? TSM spoilers: Spoiler Did Nomad start monologuing about Odium or Autonomy? Did he start talking about Harmony? No, because despite the fact that he knew, it wasn't relevant to the story. 2 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: It is the same issue as having Jasnah PoV chapters. If you have a dragon protagonist running a big corporation, they need to consider these things. No, if the story is about preventing bankruptcy, or developing some new but dangerous product, or a rival dragon trying to do a hostile takeover. Not every story has to have stakes affecting the entire Cosmere. High connectivity doesn't mean everything has to be known, it means we will see multiple invested art, people from different worlds, names will be mentioned - all connecting to present books. But they don't have to know (or reveal) if Dalinar won the contest to use a fabrial from Roshar. TLM was highly connected and it didn't spoil the ending of KoWT. All of this simply doesn't matter to the story - Brandon decides what the story is about.
Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him Posted March 7, 2024 Posted March 7, 2024 17 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: Will Honor be reforged? - A dragon or a core aether must know. Will Discord be defeated? - A dragon or a core aether must know. Will Odium be free of the Rosharan system? - A dragon or a core aether must know. Is Autonomy waging war? - A dragon or a core aether must know. It is the same issue as having Jasnah PoV chapters. If you have a dragon protagonist running a big corporation, they need to consider these things. Yeah, they probably do, but here’s the thing. Brandon did something in TFE where Kelsier would avoid thinking about his plan. It worked! And if it is about dragons, it doesn’t need to have a dragon main character. And if it is one, it doesn’t have to be the leader of the big corporations. I doubt that all of the dragons are like Xisis and know all the things. And even if they do, why would they need to consider it in context of whatever story they are in? 1
SilverShard Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 It's going to be a flash forward to a planet we have already seen, but maybe only in a very short passing, and feature a heavy amount of history on Silver light and travelling the Cosmere. And Hoid will do something...
AonEne he/him Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 17 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Because SA#6 to SA#10 haven't been written. Neither have the next eras of Mistborn and countless other things. Whenever he writes something in the far future, he risks contradicting himself or having to abandon cool new ideas for those books, because they would contradict SP#5. He would avoid much of that trouble by writing a book roughly contemporary to SA#5 or TLM. In addition, whenever he writes something in the future Cosmere, he risks spoiling future books he will still write. (Sunlit Man) Hide contents Just like we now can be quite sure that Kaladin survives SA#5 to SA#10 And that a Dawnshard will feature in SA#5 If he wants to write about dragons, he can set a book at the same time as TLM and avoid those risks, respectively the work to minimize them, at no cost. Unless you want to propose that he wants to write specifically about dragons in space ships, which is very specific, hence unlikely (and without evidence), why, if he wants to write about dragons, not set the book in Silverlight at the time of TLM, just to give an example? "Gain" in this context is an interesting story. Dragons are cool. Yet they are almost equally cool at any time. So why set a story into a time period that is harder to write about? I see no reason. Now, I would like to see a book about dragons. And you can find evidence that Brandon will write about dragons. It is just the combination of dragons and far future that makes less sense. Hence I would conclude that he wrote about something that has to be far future. For example, MeLaan rediscovering Yolen. It intrinsically has to be a future setting. Yeah, I just don't follow that logic at all. We know for a fact it is far future cosmere. Regardless of whether or not it has dragons, these will be things Brandon considered. Dragons would only be one more element and not inherently more spoilery than anything else. If it was a discussion on whether or not the book is in the future or high connectivity, I could see this being a point, but it's not; we know it is those things. He already chose to write the "harder" story with more to think about. Dragons may or may not be involved, but their presence does not add complications that Brandon hasn't already accepted (maybe even been enthusiastic about) when writing the book. Sunlit Man Spoiler I absolutely don't think we can be remotely sure that Kaladin survives. Nomad saying his name in surprise and disbelief, seeing something that looks a bit like him, only means that Nomad has pattern recognition. Sigzil knew Kaladin and said his name, but that doesn't imply he thinks or knows Kaladin is alive - hence his shock in the moment. It could go either way. I do think Dawnshards are likely to feature (I mean, Rysn, if nothing else) considering that SA5 is Sigzil's backstory, but we don't know for sure. Brandon says TSM is a teaser for SA5. But we won't know for sure until Brandon confirms it or the book is out. I don't think Brandon went "I want to write about dragons, let's make this harder for myself". I think he went "I want to write this thing, and there are dragons in it". It could be that all the dragon talk is unrelated and he simply has them on the mind! But if they are in the secret project, I don't think that complicates it any more than he already inherently chose to deal with. He also has total control over what he writes. If he doesn't want to spoil something, he can find a million ways to do that. He can select the exact plot and characters he wants in order to release the information he wants to. 3
Forts Board Posted March 12, 2024 Posted March 12, 2024 I noticed he said that "secret project five is not a direct stormlight book." Is it an indirect one? Gimme some Kaladin!!
LopenCousin91 Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 On 3/5/2024 at 9:04 AM, LopenCousin91 said: Is it too pedestrian to guess it's the Sixth of the Dusk sequel he's done readings from? I'm counting this as calling it. May follow new characters, but it's Sixth of the Dusk world and set after that story. 1
kenod Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 Looking forwards to this one, just the sample chapters have so much juicy information and theory crafting potential.
Lord Spirit he/him Posted March 21, 2024 Posted March 21, 2024 He released a reading, my initial thoughts: Spoiler Dragons!!!! Yolen!!! Frost!! Dusk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nazh!!! He's dead :(!!!!! 1
Use the Falchion Posted March 22, 2024 Posted March 22, 2024 1 hour ago, Lord Spirit said: He released a reading, my initial thoughts: Reveal hidden contents Dragons!!!! Yolen!!! Frost!! Dusk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nazh!!! He's dead :(!!!!! My thoughts exactly!
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