Long Game 95: The Fire of Ado's Light

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, _Stick_ said:

Oh no, @|TJ| @Szeth_Pancakes your turn 

Edit:

And yes that ninja looks pretty neat 

I'm still village, technically. 

I assume I'm using my Shardic to Intent Convert so that the Village doesn't auto win? Then I'll use my VAction to go to Silverlight. 

S

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

hi drake

bye drake

oh and also: E

edit: WHY THE STORMS ARE WE GOING FOR A JOINT WIN OVER A CLEAN VILLAGE WIN???!! DRAKE CLEARLY HAS SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE. THIS IS NOT HELPING

Edited July 2, 2023 by Szeth_Pancakes

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

3 minutes ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

hi drake

bye drake

oh and also: E

edit: WHY THE STORMS ARE WE GOING FOR A JOINT WIN OVER A CLEAN VILLAGE WIN???!! DRAKE CLEARLY HAS SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE. THIS IS NOT HELPING

Because if you go for a Village win, we kill you. 

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

1 minute ago, The Known Novel said:

Because if you go for a Village win, we kill you. 

Oh.

i think I missed something

[JNV]

Listen if you guys want to tear apart the victory alliance thats your prerogative Ive got my wincon Ive started putting Ruin away its not my fight anymore

[Stick. she/her]

3 hours ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

hi drake

bye drake

oh and also: E

edit: WHY THE STORMS ARE WE GOING FOR A JOINT WIN OVER A CLEAN VILLAGE WIN???!! DRAKE CLEARLY HAS SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE. THIS IS NOT HELPING

Uhh yeah our options rn are looking like: lose, lose, or joint victory  

If you or TJ have any vote manip charges, today’s the day to use them. I’ll be burning a devotion charge. 

2 hours ago, JNV said:

Listen if you guys want to tear apart the victory alliance thats your prerogative Ive got my wincon Ive started putting Ruin away its not my fight anymore

Thank you  

edit:

@Szeth_Pancakes @|TJ| tagging you so you don’t forget - burn any vote manip charges you’ve got. We don’t have to burn those preemptively so I can still burn the devotion charge I obtained just last night and have it be effective on this same turn. I’ll use it on  Drake. We’ll have to…guess which avatars are made to vote today if either of you has devotion charges. If you have mercy charges, burn that instead

Edited July 2, 2023 by _Stick_

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Well Rusts.

Why did you guys just decide to go after us? We were perfectly willing to go for a joint victory. I killed my own step-child for this.

[Stick. she/her]

1 minute ago, The Known Novel said:

Well Rusts.

Why did you guys just decide to go after us? We were perfectly willing to go for a joint victory. I killed my own step-child for this.

Wdym? Killing drake is still part of the joint victory plan

Youll intent convert this turn and the game won’t end, if im understanding this correctly 

Also as of this moment, ‘us’ should mean village, good sir  You said it yourself:

4 hours ago, The Known Novel said:

I'm still village, technically. 

Eh
I do think we messed up D8 pretty bad. A tie would’ve been great there, or a no-yeet. Or a Walin yeet. In hindsight I should just revealed I had a vessel shield that cycle, which is why I tried to convince araris to make me the counter wagon instead of TJ but I was kinda scared I’d get killed during the night which is why I hesitated on outright saying it if there was a chance we’d get a tie and it wouldn’t be needed. Seemed like the safer route. But. Lol. 

Drake

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

3 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Wdym? Killing drake is still part of the joint victory plan

Youll intent convert this turn and the game won’t end, if im understanding this correctly 

Also as of this moment, ‘us’ should mean village, good sir  You said it yourself:

Eh
I do think we messed up D8 pretty bad. A tie would’ve been great there, or a no-yeet. Or a Walin yeet. In hindsight I should just revealed I had a vessel shield that cycle, which is why I tried to convince araris to make me the counter wagon instead of TJ but I was kinda scared I’d get killed during the night which is why I hesitated on outright saying it if there was a chance we’d get a tie and it wouldn’t be needed. Seemed like the safer route. But. Lol. 

Drake

I think at this point, without help from JNV, it is impossible for us to win together. If Drake dies, the village wins. If I Intent Convert, whether or not Drake dies, Autonomous wins. 

It is currently 

5 v 5

If Drake dies, it becomes 

5 v 4

If I don't Intent Convert, the village completes it's primary wincon. If I do Intent Convert, it becomes

4 v 5

Autonomous completes it's primary wincon. 

So the only move now is to hit me, JNV, or cause a tie. Which will place it at 

5 v 5, when JNV can return Ruin

Then we need to hit a VShield or tie again while I start putting Autonomy away, then it will be 

5 v 5

And then I use my VAction to convert and put Autonomy away at the same time.

If anyone dies today, you lose. Simple as that.

[Stick. she/her]

Blegh you’re right 

TKN ?

This can work then 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Just now, _Stick_ said:

Blegh you’re right 

TKN ?

This can work then 

JNV would be better, so that I can be hit tomorrow after JNV has contained Ruin. That way we don't have to rely on a tie.

[Stick. she/her]

@JNV what do you think?

[JNV]

3 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

@JNV what do you think?

The issue with Novels plan is Drake does need to die for the village sudden death con to happen so honestly what I think needs to happen is I need to kill Drake in the night turn while Odium kills a villager to keep equal numbers the voting stuff can still happen as in Novels plan and then every Shard goes back in containment C10 and even then we need to check with @Ashbringer to see their final ruling on whether wincon preventing intent conversion can happen cause they said they were in favor but thats not a definite yes

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 minute ago, JNV said:

The issue with Novels plan is Drake does need to die for the village sudden death con to happen so honestly what I think needs to happen is I need to kill Drake in the night turn while Odium kills a villager to keep equal numbers the voting stuff can still happen as in Novels plan and then every Shard goes back in containment C10 and even then we need to check with @Ashbringer to see their final ruling on whether wincon preventing intent conversion can happen cause they said they were in favor but thats not a definite yes

I think what might need to happen is for you to wait to replace Ruin until the final night, then VAction to put Ruin away while you kill Odium.

[Stick. she/her]

6 minutes ago, JNV said:

The issue with Novels plan is Drake does need to die for the village sudden death con to happen so honestly what I think needs to happen is I need to kill Drake in the night turn while Odium kills a villager to keep equal numbers the voting stuff can still happen as in Novels plan and then every Shard goes back in containment C10 and even then we need to check with @Ashbringer to see their final ruling on whether wincon preventing intent conversion can happen cause they said they were in favor but thats not a definite yes

D9 5v5 - no exe, no intent conversion

N9 5v5 - Ruin kills drake, odium kills a villager, no intent conversion 

D10 4v4 - intent conversion during the day, shard recontainment 

Does that make sense?

[JNV]

Just now, _Stick_ said:

D10 4v4 - intent conversion during the day, shard recontainment 

Shard recontainment takes two turns so itd be no one does anything in the day and those things happen at night or Novels plan also works if its easier to coordinate without getting Odium to do things um well has Odium been passed whos Odium 

[Stick. she/her]

3 minutes ago, JNV said:

Shard recontainment takes two turns so itd be no one does anything in the day and those things happen at night or Novels plan also works if its easier to coordinate without getting Odium to do things um well has Odium been passed whos Odium 

Uhh true so

Quote

D9 5v5 - no exe, no intent conversion

N9 5v5 - Ruin kills drake, odium kills a villager, no intent conversion 

D10 4v4 - no intent conversion, shard recontainment step 1, aim for tie

N10 4v4 - intention conversion, shard recontainment step 2 

Who has odium? I’m assuming it’s with drake 

6 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

If Drake dies on a turn before I Intent Convert, the village auto wins. Drake cannot die until I Intent Convert, and I cannot Intent Convert until it's time to outnumber.

Here's my current plan:

D9 I go to Silverlight 

We hit JNV’s VShield

N9 We hang out, nobody does anything game relevant, except maybe Drake contains Odium

D10 I start containing Autonomy, JNV starts containing Ruin

N10 I VAction to contain Autonomy and Intent Convert, JNV VActions to contain Ruin and kill Drake.

Mutual victory.

[Stick. she/her]

9 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

If Drake dies on a turn before I Intent Convert, the village auto wins. Drake cannot die until I Intent Convert, and I cannot Intent Convert until it's time to outnumber.

Here's my current plan:

D9 I go to Silverlight 

We hit JNV’s VShield

N9 We hang out, nobody does anything game relevant, except maybe Drake contains Odium

D10 I start containing Autonomy, JNV starts containing Ruin

N10 I VAction to contain Autonomy and Intent Convert, JNV VActions to contain Ruin and kill Drake.

Mutual victory.

Recontainment comes before intent conversion in the OoA though, so how will N10 play out exactly

[Stick. she/her]

aight my head hurts and im just going to preemptively Drake because I need to go to bed, current order is devotion charge and IIRC szeth should have some vote manip too

i will emphasise that i would prefer a mutual victory if possible, so ill check in before rollover so see where everyone's at

[Ashbringer he/him]

2 hours ago, JNV said:

The issue with Novels plan is Drake does need to die for the village sudden death con to happen so honestly what I think needs to happen is I need to kill Drake in the night turn while Odium kills a villager to keep equal numbers the voting stuff can still happen as in Novels plan and then every Shard goes back in containment C10 and even then we need to check with @Ashbringer to see their final ruling on whether wincon preventing intent conversion can happen cause they said they were in favor but thats not a definite yes

Final ruling is that Win Cons are checked at the very end of the OoA, after Intent Conversion.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Hmmm.

Do I win with the village?

Or do I win with Autonomous?

[JNV]

We basically have two ways to joint win and in all of them we lead off voting one of the two vessels with vessel shield which is me or Novel so I hereby select me to get voted JNV and like we could engineer ties but this feels safer to me personally

Either I kill Drake and Odium kills a villager tonight followed by last second Novel Intent Conversion just as all the Shards go back or I hold off and kill Drake at the last second N10 along with Novels intent Conversion and with either of those Odium just puts it back either now as Drake or later as whoever inherits after I shoot or when Drake passes it so pick one cause if I shoot Drake and Drake doesnt shoot someone else then its a problem or vice versa you know

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Okay

1. I fully believe a joint victory is possible. I fully believe I could come up with a workable plan for one. I don't think you guys currently have a plan for one, and I think you'd have better luck if you realized that there's no quick way to do this.

2. None of that matters overly much unless we both actually want a joint victory.

3. To spell things out further. You have 3 voting options.

• Executing me creates a village-only victory, ending the game.
• Executing any other player creates an Autonomy-only victory, ending the game.
• Executing an Avatar leaves the option open for a joint win, continuing the game.

It's really that simple smh guys.

4. I'm offering you guys a game!!! A game decide the fate of the game. I'm trying to give you guys a fair chance, make the finale of the game actually interesting here.

• If you win, I surrender. I am at your disposal. Execute me or whatever, I won't fight back. Ask me for a plan for a joint victory, I'll give you one, although I will silently judge you for not having the spine to execute me. The game is really truly yours to do as you please with.
• If you lose, you forfeit. I decide what happens next, and my decision will be to close the curtains on this game: pursuing a joint victory doesn't really feel like a game to me anymore, and I no longer have any commitments staying my hand. It sure doesn't sound like you have the slightest intentions of submitting to this result if and when it comes around, which tbhhh is only further evidence that the village is unworthy, but even if you try to rescind on the stakes of this game I'm not sure you really have the power to prevail by such dishonorable brute force.

If you for some reason weren't already clear on what the stakes of this game were, and you don't agree to those stakes, then stop playing.

5. I'm sorry JNV quokka friend. I wanted to be peaceful and such but it seems I'm really not cut out for it

 

Alright now that all that table-setting is out of the way, the moment you've really been waiting for!!! HANGMAN!!!

7 hours ago, The Known Novel said:

S

 

6 hours ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

E

It's the Sanderson Elimination letters!!!

Did you guys do that on purpose?

Very nice.

Spoiler

 

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

3 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Executing me creates a village-only victory, ending the game.

What is our incentive not to do this.