Quick Fix 64: Spies in Starsight

[Mat he/him]

I just played with e!Hael and I have no clue if this is that lol

Tbh I’ve checked out, not in the way where I’m not reading stuff but just in the way that the calculus of the team comp theories and all of the details are beyond what I’ve comprehended  I still feel Stick is the most likely busser. That thing Hael found is kind of weird though.

TUN works with everyone in [Kas, Stick, Hael], right? Maybe we should take an easy out and save the hard part for later :3

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

32 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

This game is hard.

d'aww thx

[Stick. she/her]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I just played with e!Hael and I have no clue if this is that lol

Tbh I’ve checked out, not in the way where I’m not reading stuff but just in the way that the calculus of the team comp theories and all of the details are beyond what I’ve comprehended  I still feel Stick is the most likely busser. That thing Hael found is kind of weird though.

TUN works with everyone in [Kas, Stick, Hael], right? Maybe we should take an easy out and save the hard part for later :3

What is the thing that Hael found? 

[Amanuensis he/him]

8 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I just played with e!Hael and I have no clue if this is that lol

Tbh I’ve checked out, not in the way where I’m not reading stuff but just in the way that the calculus of the team comp theories and all of the details are beyond what I’ve comprehended  I still feel Stick is the most likely busser. That thing Hael found is kind of weird though.

TUN works with everyone in [Kas, Stick, Hael], right? Maybe we should take an easy out and save the hard part for later :3

inb4 Silver/Hael/Mat team

I'm not exactly opposed to TUN, especially given I'm more-or-less 99% at v!Kas, I just don't think a Silver/TUN team solves our current predicament. Does TUN make these kills on a Silver/Nerdy team, or a team without a big active contributor? Idk.

Am lost. Send halp.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Amanuensis

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, Amanuensis said:

I'm not exactly opposed to TUN, especially given I'm more-or-less 99% at v!Kas, I just don't think a Silver/TUN team solves our current predicament. But does TUN make these kills on a Silver/Nerdy team, or a team without a big active contributor? Idk.

This is what keeps stopping me... :|

[Amanuensis he/him]

I kinda wish Wiznik had a secondary power to invite one more player into the Inner Circle of their choosing, but if that player was elim, bad stuff happens.

Cause honestly I want to know what's going on in the doc

[Stick. she/her]

If we exe TUN/Nerdy/wtv we still need to come back to this discussion regardless of their flip

Might as well do it now?

[Kasimir he/him]

11 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

What is the thing that Hael found? 

Presume it's the JNV Winzik thing?

21 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

My problem is I’m straight up reading his posts as village. But I’m reading the rest of the group more strongly village. So yeah, PoE. I haven’t played with E!Hael in probably like 3-4 years or something so I don’t entirely trust my own read of his posts.  

Is it possible to learn this power >>

'Cause ngl I genuinely dfgi how Bev'ika is still a null for me, minus good feels over the JNV Winzik thing and the Silver vote.

The other thing I'm struggling with is I'm not computing how much Hael is a gambit player as compared to a strat player. Anyone with a memory sound off but I felt he was the guy on the Sith team most inclined to play it straight unless I'm forgetting something. Gonna open the doc and check again after this.

Edited to add:

Rerun ideas @Szeth_Pancakes :eyes:

3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I kinda wish Wiznik had a secondary power to invite one more player into the Inner Circle of their choosing, but if that player was elim, bad stuff happens.

Cause honestly I want to know what's going on in the doc

Me signing up for this game:

Me: "It'll be fun right? We even have confirmed Villagers!"
Szeth: "There will be confirmed Villagers."
Me: "Excellent, I'll just ID them and-"
Szeth: "But you won't know who they are."
Me: D:???
Szeth: "In fact if they out themselves, you die and you lose."
Me: "What sort of cursed monkey's paw game is this D:"

#IncorrectSEQuotes j/k much love Szeth, as much as this is frustrating me.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Kasimir

[Amanuensis he/him]

VC anyone? Am eating and thinking

[Kasimir he/him]

I feel like there's an implied crossroads here tbqh.

I am thinking aloud here more than committing:

15 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

If we exe TUN/Nerdy/wtv we still need to come back to this discussion regardless of their flip

Might as well do it now?

If TUN flips red, we'd be explicitly looking for TUN partners, I think. I do feel TUN flipping red might defer this, insofar as we could actively confront and potentially falsify the hypothesis that there is an Elim in <Stick, me, Hael, Mat.>

Or let me rephrase this for everyone's benefit, I guess. Short of flipping everyone in me, Hael, Mat, what pieces of evidence would satisfy you that we are in an E!TUN world where E!TUN made that kill call? Because if TUN flips red and you still want to go back to the <Hael, Stick, me, Mat> set, then IDK if the TUN exe is really worth it.

The one world I want us to avoid, and the only reason I am actively asking this, is the world in which we are so hard-committed to the Set of Four that if Hael or I flip green, y'all continue trying to hunt in that Set and we lose.

If TUN flipping red/green explicitly confirms/disconfirms the Elim in Set hypothesis, then it might be worth doing.

Because I think the real question is where we should be looking for the Elims. Looking in the Set of Four is a whole different ballpark from say, a <TUN, Nerdy> set. If TUN flips green, then it absolutely has to be among us. If TUN flips red, it could be either. But I don't want to go for a TUN exe actively hoping he'll flip green just for clarity: that's twisted and not the way to play this.

Edited to add:

@Amanuensis VC as requested

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TUN (1): Mat
Hael (2): Kas, Stick
Nerdy (3): Bookwyrm, TUN, Nerdy

Is there a world in which we are just lacking Nerdy commitment?

But IDK I don't really E read him. SIgh.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Kasimir

[Stick. she/her]

Well, there is:

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v!xino world: <Silver, Nerdy, Almond, TUN/Hael?>

(From last cycle) 

I know that I had reasons to say Bookwyrm does not go in this team

Edit:

10 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

VC anyone? Am eating and thinking

Hael has two votes, and other people have some (Needy has three possibly). On mobile rn but that’s all I remember 

Edited December 22, 2022 by _Stick_

[Amanuensis he/him]

4 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Edited to add:

@Amanuensis VC as requested

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TUN (1): Mat
Hael (2): Kas, Stick
Nerdy (3): Bookwyrm, TUN, Nerdy

Is there a world in which we are just lacking Nerdy commitment?

But IDK I don't really E read him. SIgh.

TY

It's possible we're lacking Nerdy commitment yeah. I feel like I'm the only player that's been batting for them, so possible I'm just the problem keeping us from e!Nerdy. That would however imply that Nerdy's real partners don't care whether they live or die tho

[Mat he/him]

31 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

What is the thing that Hael found? 

The quote of you saying something like 'If you kill xino while I'm gone, pls reconsider Nerdy tomorrow' which now that I look back it was Aman who found that, not Hael.

It's kinda compelling in that, do you say that and then submit a xino kill? Idk. It kinda reeks of TMI on xino's flip, actually, so maybe it balances out.

27 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I'm not exactly opposed to TUN, especially given I'm more-or-less 99% at v!Kas, I just don't think a Silver/TUN team solves our current predicament. Does TUN make these kills on a Silver/Nerdy team, or a team without a big active contributor? Idk.

I know, I wasn't trying to rid us of our problem, I was trying to push it to the side for later because it's hard  Like, we need at least two more elims, let's say one in [Stick/Kas/Hael] and one in the lower actives. We're not having any breakthroughs on the former so might as well go for the latter since we need to get both anyway?

I realize how hypocritical this is because the opposite of that thought is what made me kill Fifth over xino but that just goes to show how much I'm being ran around in circles >>

Stick

So there

Edited December 22, 2022 by Matrim's Dice

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Amanuensis said:

That would however imply that Nerdy's real partners don't care whether they live or die tho

That's the other problem though.

But that being said, does it matter?

Sorry, again thinking aloud:

Lynch priority matters here only evidentially, right? Because the Elims don't win by outnumbering us, the only way they win is if:

-We accidentally lynch IC
-They kill IC

And the two points lead to no IC left.

Normally there'd be urgency to just go for the one we're fairly sure is Evil because we need to hold off lylo. But that dynamic doesn't obtain here minus Elim vote dominance worries. 

I'm still thinking about what Stick said, whether we have to come back to the her-Hael-me problem again.

I guess the Elim could screw with us more by withholding the kill, but is a world in which we flip TUN and the Elims make another kill (if it follows the pattern, in the <Insanity, Almond, Nerdy, Bookwyrm> pool) the worst for us? (You can replace Nerdy with TUN here, I'm not sure that changes the dynamic too much more.)

I guess the other world I can see: we flip Hael, and the Elims probably kill within <TUN, Insanity, Almond, Nerdy, Bookwyrm>. Feels like we won't get a noisy player flip from the NK.

...I don't know where I'm going anymore. I suppose the only thought I have is technically killing a player you are fairly sure is Evil is usually the right move but in this case, tactically, it doesn't really save us. Wrt the Mat-Stick conversation I guess.

[Exotic Almond he/him]

sorry for not posting I had the flu yesterday and was too sick to do much of anything. 

Edit: I'll vote for i don;t know

Edited December 22, 2022 by ExoticAlmond
My Vote

[Stick. she/her]

1 minute ago, ExoticAlmond said:

sorry for not posting I had the flu yesterday and was too sick to do much of anything. 

Omg hi

edit:

wait no

Edited December 22, 2022 by _Stick_

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, ExoticAlmond said:

sorry for not posting I had the flu yesterday and was too sick to do much of anything. 

Edit: I'll vote for Stick

1. Please don't edit votes in, some GMs don't count that.

2. You may want to red it properly and bold it...

I feel you though this flu is wild...

[Mat he/him]

Just now, ExoticAlmond said:

sorry for not posting I had the flu yesterday and was too sick to do much of anything. 

Edit: I'll vote for Stick

Currently that's a vote for no one

Can you explain why you'd like to vote Stick?

[Stick. she/her]

Idc Almond conf village, I’m sorry. 

@ExoticAlmond you may edit your posts to add content but we can’t change the content of it 

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, ExoticAlmond said:

sorry for not posting I had the flu yesterday and was too sick to do much of anything. 

Edit: I'll vote for i don;t know

Hope you feel better soon! Being sick is the worst

For future record, if you ED1T a vote into a post, you need to @Szeth_Pancakes so he sees it and can tally.

Generally just better to vote in a new post because of that.

ED1T:

Just now, _Stick_ said:

Idc Almond conf village, I’m sorry. 

@ExoticAlmond you may edit your posts to add content but we can’t change the content of it 

I've been either at v!Almond or a Stick/Almond team-up since C3.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Amanuensis

[Exotic Almond he/him]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Currently that's a vote for no one

Can you explain why you'd like to vote Stick?

not really I'm just a sheep and followed what I saw someone vote for

Here's my official vote: Stick

[Stick. she/her]

Just now, ExoticAlmond said:

not really I'm just a sheep and followed what I saw someone vote for

Here's my official vote: Stick

Can I convince you to sheep me or Kas?

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

For future record, if you ED1T a vote into a post, you need to @Szeth_Pancakes so he sees it and can tally.

Theoretically yes but the subforum mods yell as this is technically against the rules. Some don't care but due to I think...El yelling? And one other mod I don't recall who. I recall a recent GM (sorry brain is cooked rn) disqualifying an edited in vote...and I think it was @Araris Valerian in LG90 - D1 Silho's vote? - on those grounds. So recently I've started to drop reminders in my rulesets just so people don't get caught out in other games and lose their vote for no good reason.

[Amanuensis he/him]

My heart really wants to trust Stick tbh. My only big concern is some vague memories of her duping me in a past game. I think it might have been TJ's blackout (MR58?).

Idk, there's like at least a few instances every cycle that make me think v!Stick, v!Kas, and v!Mat, and I don't get those same reoccurring feelings with Hael. Disconnectedness in solving? He always offers something of value but it's usually refined. More thinking outside of thread than thinking while directly interacting in thread? Idk

[Amanuensis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Theoretically yes but the subforum mods yell as this is technically against the rules. Some don't care but due to I think...El yelling? And one other mod I don't recall who. I recall a recent GM (sorry brain is cooked rn) disqualifying an edited in vote...and I think it was @Araris Valerian in LG90 - D1 Silho's vote? - on those grounds. So recently I've started to drop reminders in my rulesets just so people don't get caught out in other games and lose their vote for no good reason.

Oh whoops. Sorry for the bad advice then, @ExoticAlmond

Also going to put my money where mouth is and vote Hael cause the only other options for me rn are TUN and Nerdy