Blue-phoenix186 Posted September 2, 2022 Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) can Knights radiance dual wield they can willingly change the shape of their shard blade so maybe they can split it into two different things like a sword and shield or two short swords thoughts ? I think it could be possible Edited September 2, 2022 by Blue-phoenix186 Spell corral
FlowerGirl she/her Posted September 2, 2022 Posted September 2, 2022 Yes, they can. In an early draft of one of the stormlight novels Brandon actually had a character wielding two shardblades. He said that two shardblades with dead spren would have to be summoned separately. However a night radiant with a spren as a shardblade could summon two daggers or such easily. It really depends on what the user needs since the shardblades respond to that. 2
Chaos he/him Posted September 2, 2022 Posted September 2, 2022 Hi, the 17th Shard Discussion board is for discussing website-related issues. You want the book discussion boards. I have moved this to the Stormlight board. 1
Blue-phoenix186 Posted September 2, 2022 Author Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Chaos said: Hi, the 17th Shard Discussion board is for discussing website-related issues. You want the book discussion boards. I have moved this to the Stormlight board. Oh sorry for the mistake I’ll remember that next
Luckspren she/her Posted September 4, 2022 Posted September 4, 2022 On 9/1/2022 at 11:09 PM, FlowerGirl said: Yes, they can. In an early draft of one of the stormlight novels Brandon actually had a character wielding two shardblades. He said that two shardblades with dead spren would have to be summoned separately. However a night radiant with a spren as a shardblade could summon two daggers or such easily. It really depends on what the user needs since the shardblades respond to that. Do you have a WoB for that? Early draft doesn't mean canon now.
Treamayne Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 On 9/1/2022 at 9:55 PM, Blue-phoenix186 said: can Knights radiance dual wield they can willingly change the shape of their shard blade so maybe they can split it into two different things like a sword and shield or two short swords thoughts ? I think it could be possible If you mean two normal Shardblades, then we see Amaram do this in Oathbriinger. If you mean one Radiant Spren becoming two different items at the same time, then I would say it is doubtful. I don't know if any conclusive references for or against; but I feel that Kaladin, fighting Szath at the end of WoR, would have done a Shield and Spear if Syl could have managed it (since that is his preferred style) but she becomes the shield or spear as-needed, but not both at once. 1
Rg2045 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 Maybe a sword/spear and a cord/rope attached to a shield all one piece, and maybe possible all that’s needed is Intent
Little_Dagger she/her Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 I don't think it is possible (or at least, not easy), since it would then be possible to create multiple living shardblades and equip multiple people with them (like Shallan did when she gave Pattern to Kaladin in the chasms in WoR). That would be a huge advantage in a battle, so I think we would see it used, were it feasible.
SpinningSky he/him Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 10 hours ago, Treamayne said: If you mean one Radiant Spren becoming two different items at the same time, then I would say it is doubtful. I don't know if any conclusive references for or against; but I feel that Kaladin, fighting Szath at the end of WoR, would have done a Shield and Spear if Syl could have managed it (since that is his preferred style) but she becomes the shield or spear as-needed, but not both at once. This line of reasoning doesn't really work for me, we know that what spren can do can easily be limited by what the radiants think they can do 6 hours ago, Rg2045 said: Maybe a sword/spear and a cord/rope attached to a shield all one piece, and maybe possible all that’s needed is Intent This seems like it would be a "legal" way to dual wield without beinding anything we know so far, makes sense to me that it'd work. Though now I just can't wait to see a radiant wielding nunchucks now 1
Rg2045 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, SpinningSky said: This line of reasoning doesn't really work for me, we know that what spren can do can easily be limited by what the radiants think they can do This seems like it would be a "legal" way to dual wield without beinding anything we know so far, makes sense to me that it'd work. Though now I just can't wait to see a radiant wielding nunchucks now Kinda like those rope ones that are for practice and twirling
Treamayne Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Rg2045 said: Maybe a sword/spear and a cord/rope attached to a shield all one piece, and maybe possible all that’s needed is Intent 2 hours ago, SpinningSky said: Though now I just can't wait to see a radiant wielding nunchucks now I don't know that a braided metal rope would be feasible (or just extremely difficult), I found the relevant Words of Brandon: Spoiler Quote Questioner Is there a limit to what the spren can become, like we've seen them become a blade or a spear or a shield, can they become, like-- I've heard hints of a bow and arrow. Can they become a sword and a shield or just one main thing? Brandon Sanderson Um, it is more expansive than people guess it is, but it is limited. Quote Questioner *inaudible* with the spren, like, with the *inaudible* would it have infinite ink? Brandon Sanderson The way it works in my head canon right now, which I haven't written it so if it changes, no. The other thing is getting complex systems is going to be harder for a lot of Spren. There are legends that reference that they were able to do bows in the past, which includes a string. Everyone is like "but they're not metal, how does that work." Complex structures, even the mechanics of a pen is not something that we have proof that they could even do. If they did do it, they wouldn't have infinite ink, you would fill them up with ink. Footnote: The question was likely about if Shardpens could exist It's also possible that the range and versatility are tied to the number of oaths the Radiant has sworn. Edited September 5, 2022 by Treamayne 2
NameIess Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 A Shardblade can’t be split in half without the spren’s soul being split in half: Spoiler Questioner On the nature of shardblades, to an extent, can a live blade be split without harming it's source, so to speak? Brandon Sanderson Can a live blade split? What do you mean, split? Questioner Make itself into two weapons. Brandon Sanderson Oh, can a blade be forged into two weapons. A shardblade. Questioner Does it absolutely need a connection, or can it become two? Brandon Sanderson So, shardblades becoming two shardblades would require slicing in half a soul, which would not be very fun for the spren. Okay? Questioner So it's possible. *laughter* Brandon Sanderson So it's technically possible to take hydrogen and to turn it into plutonium with our current technology. It would cost more money than, like, the budget of NASA to do it for, y'know, one atom. So there are things that are possible, but-- Yes it is possible. This is not something that would be easy or very useful to do. Arcanum Unbounded San Francisco signing (Nov. 30, 2016) 3
Rg2045 Posted September 5, 2022 Posted September 5, 2022 Even if you could do shardbows you would think the spren would be better as the arrow. Or the bullet instead of the gun, I mean unbreakable gun is awesome, but it’s just a well maintained gun instead of an unstoppable projectile
Humble_Knight Posted September 6, 2022 Posted September 6, 2022 Soulcasters are loops of chain, and are also spren. I think the spren must be a single object, but it does not have to be continuous. To avoid spoilers, I won't say more, but there is more evidence than just soulcasters
Treamayne Posted September 6, 2022 Posted September 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Humble_Knight said: Soulcasters are loops of chain, and are also spren. I think the spren must be a single object, but it does not have to be continuous. To avoid spoilers, I won't say more, but there is more evidence than just soulcasters Possibly, but that makes some assumptions: Spoiler Do we know that the chain is part of the spren that makes the Soulcaster? It could easily be an after-affectation like the gemstones added to dead Shardblades.
SpinningSky he/him Posted September 6, 2022 Posted September 6, 2022 7 hours ago, Humble_Knight said: Soulcasters are loops of chain, and are also spren. I think the spren must be a single object, but it does not have to be continuous. To avoid spoilers, I won't say more, but there is more evidence than just soulcasters Can you write that evidence with a spoiler tag? I'm curious what you're talking about
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