ShrubSeph Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Experience said: -_-I don't know. I have a slight elim gut from this post. I agree, a double lynch is not wanted, but do we really need to kill one of the most active players day 1, especially if you have no reasoning? Couldn't we choose someone else? Someone else would be preferable, but I don't want to leave the possibility of a double lynch by an elim switching votes. I am open to other suggestions, though. (also, it took me way too long to realize XP was referring to you, I thought it was just an example player like "If player X votes Y and player Y votes X, they both die") 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Reading Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 15 hours ago, Illwei said: This...is also...not... Okay, So, Hey guys. Remember when I said that: "I want to see a lot of people die" ? I take it back. I- I take it back now. Lots of people dying won't be good. no. Opinion flip 1. I'd be willing to let it go if you changed your mind once but.. 15 hours ago, Illwei said: No. I refuse. this is Elimmy. no. I will make sure that this never happens. Honestly, reading XP vil for this. Why, if saying that this is elimmy are you reading XP villager? 15 hours ago, Illwei said: Yes, Exactly. as I said before. the elims can vote on eachother, then take it back last minute (elim instant win, maybe one even moves to XP) EDIT: no, wait wait... Yes let's do it lettuce do it lettuce try And you changed your mind again. I'd be willing to excuse you if you flipped once but I don't like how many times you changed your mind. Illwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrubSeph Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said: Opinion flip 1. I'd be willing to let it go if you changed your mind once but.. Why, if saying that this is elimmy are you reading XP villager? And you changed your mind again. I'd be willing to excuse you if you flipped once but I don't like how many times you changed your mind. Illwei Experience I'll vote Illwei, as long as enough other people do. @Elkanah what's the vote count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Experience said: Meh. I don't have much, and I'll I've done is push for the kill all thing, so I understand. I do know that that probably won't work, and I'll try to be more helpful. Not quite sure if this is a poke. I don't think it is, but if it is consider me thoroughly poked. No, it wasn't a poke. But I don't think it was from your push, either. At least not consciously. 5 hours ago, JesterLavorre said: Alright, so here are my thoughts so far: Matrim: Not much either way. Was on the Illwei train but backed off when Illwei explained. Condensation: Was the first to call out Illwei, but otherwise seems fine, and that callout was deserved, with no vote attached. Somebody: Was the first one to vote for Illwei and was the most persistent at wanting Illwei to explain themselves (though, again, this is somewhat justified). Also this reads mild elim to me, not sure why: Illwei: Had an unexplained vote at the start and took multiple posts to explain it. Also went back and forth on XP's "vote for everyone but me" idea in its various form. Mild Elim read. Gears: Gut read mild Elim, but no real reasoning other than I mildly disagree with some of his analysis. XP: Their idea for tie voting would not work out, but I don't think that makes them an elim. I'm actually reading them more toward village. Turtle, King's_Way, Lotus, Alvron, and Reading: No opinion. Not enough to go on. I'm not sure if I'm going to have time to post again this round, so I'm going to vote Somebody for now, and maybe change later if I have time. Hmm, interesting. I agree his change to XP was sort of strange, and maybe has me worried a bit about the train. If XP ends up flipping village I might look more at Somebody even if he is a new player. 1 hour ago, JesterLavorre said: Oh, OK. I might change my vote, then. Most of what I found sus could just be new-player syndrome. Somebody 1 hour ago, Experience said: Ok. They honestly feel like a new village then. Don't know though. No I got nothing. Somebody (or anyone) want to PM me? 1 hour ago, Kings_way said: I don't have any substantial suspicions, so for me it's either Somebody or Experience, to prevent a double lynch D1. I will give in to the all powerful now-player pity The fact that all three of you switched to Somebody and then switched off Somebody within like an hour almost gives me the feel that it was orchestrated, at least part way. Maybe that's just from it all happening while I was asleep, but it still seems too simultaneous. Even if he is a new player. 26 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said: Opinion flip 1. I'd be willing to let it go if you changed your mind once but.. Why, if saying that this is elimmy are you reading XP villager? And you changed your mind again. I'd be willing to excuse you if you flipped once but I don't like how many times you changed your mind. Illwei And this... I do agree the amount of flipping is strange, but I don't like this vote. I'd almost say changing your mind a lot is a village thing, because elims are more inclined to stick to one thing and go for it because a flipping and flopping choice pattern looks sort of suspicious so they want to avoid that. The second point there about Illwei's read on XP is a good one, though. EDIT: Forgot to mention that Kings' most recent switch sets off some alarm bells too, in accordance with his involvement in the short Somebody train. Edited October 30, 2020 by Matrim's Dice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Reading Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: And this... I do agree the amount of flipping is strange, but I don't like this vote. I'd almost say changing your mind a lot is a village thing, because elims are more inclined to stick to one thing and go for it because a flipping and flopping choice pattern looks sort of suspicious so they want to avoid that. The second point there about Illwei's read on XP is a good one, though. The amount of times Illwei flipped on and off the "let's kill everyone" idea was weird. (especially given how easily that proposal could have backfired.) It made me feel like there was something going on that I don't know about and also, though I have not played many games with him this seems really out of character. Also that read on XP just set off alarm bells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Shard of Reading said: The amount of times Illwei flipped on and off the "let's kill everyone" idea was weird. (especially given how easily that proposal could have backfired.) It made me feel like there was something going on that I don't know about and also, though I have not played many games with him this seems really out of character. Also that read on XP just set off alarm bells. Eh, I'd say it's probably more in character for Illwei than not, even... The flip-flopping I mean, not the XP read. I agree that is kinda a stark contradiction. I'll second the request for a vote count, @Elkanah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Reading Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Well, I haven't played with Illwei a lot, and from what I've seen (small as it is) it seemed out of character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Shard ate my post... Alvron For claiming roles can be indicative of alignment. I absolutely disagree, because I’ve been mis-lynched by elims using this argument many times. Illwei is the next best lynch option in my opinion. Due mainly to there suspicious flipping on their opinion of Experiences proposition. EDIT: Also, @Alvron, pretty sure we’ve played a game together before. Edited October 30, 2020 by Ventyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShrubSeph Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 I'll vote Illwei (I've already explained, I just hadn't fully decided) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Reading Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ventyl said: Shard ate my post... Alvron For claiming roles can be indicative of alignment. I absolutely disagree, because I’ve been mis-lynched by elims using this argument many times. Illwei is the next best lynch option in my opinion. Due mainly to there suspicious flipping on their opinion of Experiences proposition. EDIT: Also, @Alvron, pretty sure we’ve played a game together before. If you think that Illwei is the best lynch option, then why are you voting Alvron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said: If you think that Illwei is the best lynch option, then why are you voting Alvron? Sorry, in my original post I worded it correctly... I mean that Illwei is the next best lynch option. EDIT; Though, I’m pretty sure I said it in the post I made... Edited October 30, 2020 by Ventyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Reading Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ventyl said: Sorry, in my original post I worded it correctly... I mean that Illwei is the next best lynch option. EDIT; Though, I’m pretty sure I said it in the post I made... Oh, yeah you did. I mis-read you what you wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkanah Posted October 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Sorry for the Delay Vote Count: Experience (2): Matrim's Dice, Somebody from Sel Illwei (1): Kings Way Turtle (1): Illwei Gears (1): Alvron Alvron (1): Ventyl Also, Don't forget to submit your actions in your GM PM. There is one hour left until the cycle ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 Oh wow that's a lot more spread out than I thought... that's dangerous. (Imagine if I switched off Experience right before rollover xD I wonder how many elims we'd hit) (Yes I know it's not worth it. No I'm not gonna do that.) I'll be active for probably twelve more minutes, vanish for another twelve, and be here for the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) [OOC: More players need to have RP names. When I play through RP, using actual names is weird.] The general populace is incredibly talkative. To aid determining people's sides, I shall analyse every statement ever spoken. Sidenote, it is truly surprising exactly how much discussion is fluff and nonsense. In addition, I would like to dispute the value of a poke vote [defined as putting a vote on someone who has not yet spoken and retracting it when they speak]. People say it incentivises discussion, but if someone is truly asleep, they won't speak no matter how many poke votes are laid against them. In addition, it is considered poor form to kill a sleeping person, so a poke vote will never lead to a lynch. All it does is fill up the minutes. X: I poke Y! Y: I exist! X: I retract Y! 3 statements that do nothing. 1 Dark: Skill analysis. I will admit, some of this analysis may be invalid, as I continually assume that everyone thinks as I do. This is a poor habit of mine that I shall attempt to rectify, should I survive this encounter. 2 Turtle: Pokes Kriti. 3 Illwei: Thought the meeting began later. 4 Rinala: Quite busy. 5 Daziron: Pokes Reading. 6 Lotus: May be busy. 7 Kriti: Exists. Newbie. 8 Rinala: Is actually new. 9 Turtle: Retracts Kriti. 10 Reading: Pokes Banana. 11 Daziron: Retracts Reading. 12 Faleast: Busy. Why hide vote? 13 Reading: Seems derivative. 14 Connie: New. Exists 15 Illwei: Newbie poking done by newbie. Make vote easily visible. Confused by time. 16 Reading: Okay. 17 Turtle: It began early. 18 Daziron: Leave the newbies alone. 19 Illwei: Newness is in the eye of the beholder. 20 Glorious Leader: Time is confusing. 21 Connie: Likes conversation. 22 Turtle: Can talk. 23 Connie: Talk. 24 Somebody: Chats. Pokes Faleast 25 Lotus: How to vote. 26 Illwei: How to vote. 27 Turtle: Chats. 28 Reading: Should probably lynch. 29 Somebody: Thanks. 30 Turtle: Pokes Reading (Do they know how poke votes work?) 31 Somebody: How many Diagrammists are there? (For reference, a standard number is between 20-25%.) 32 Lotus: How long is each round of discussion? 33 Somebody: Timer works! 34 Reading: Answers questions. 35 Somebody: Chats. 36 Turtle: Chats 37 Somebody: Chats 38 Connie: Chats 39 Somebody: Chats 40 Connie: Chats 41 Turtle: Chats 42 Somebody: Chats 43 Faleast: Exists. 44 Connie: Chats. 45 Illwei: Votes Lotus without explanation. (I know they do this a lot, but I don't like it very much. Please provide explanations for your votes.) 46 Somebody: Retracts Faleast incorrectly. 47 Banana: Exists. Pokes Lord Silberfarben. 48 Connie: Illwei, explain yourself! 49 Turtle: Chats. Illwei, explain yourself! 50 Somebody: Votes Illwei until explanation provided. 51 Connie: Chats. 52 Turtle: Chats 53 Somebody: Chats 54 Reading: Retracts Banana. 55 Banana: Chats. 56 Connie: Chats 57 Turtle: Chats 58 Connie: Chats 59 Somebody: Chats. 60 Connie: Chats 61 Somebody: Chats. 62 Connie: Chats 63 Turtle: Chats 64 Daziron: Retract votes correctly. Illwei, explain yourself. 65 Somebody: Chats. 66 Somebody: Aqua = green. 67 Connie: Chats. 68 Turtle: Chats 69 Banana: Chats about chatting. 70 Somebody: Chats. 71 Connie: Chats 72 Somebody: Chats. 73 Turtle: Chats. Retracts Reading. 74 Daziron: Obey Glorious Leader 75 Connie: Chats 76 Somebody: Retracts Faleast correctly. 77 Banana: Illwei, explain yourself. 78 Somebody: Illwei, explain yourself 79 Lotus: Illwei explain yourself. 80 Somebody: Illwei, explain yourself or you die. 81 Reading: Double post (that has hence been rectified) 82 Daziron: Mostly just chatting. 83 Somebody: No more double post. 84 Banana: Don't double post. 85 Somebody: Illwei has a vote on them. 86 Daziron: Too early for reasons. 87 Dark: Everyone's an idiot. 88 Yazadan: Criticises analysis. Votes Dark for Diagrammist claim. 89 Reading: Dark is a pathological liar. 90 Daziron: Dark is a pathological liar. 91 Illwei: Vote out lots of people. Bloodshed! 92 Daziron: Too many kills too early is good for the Diagrammists. 93 Connie: Siblings are suspicious (and they aren't even here.) 94 Rinala: Siblings? 95 Illwei: Glorious Leader, if everyone dies, who wins? 96 Connie: Jokes. 97 Glorious Leader: Diagrammists would win. 98 Illwei: But why not the Ghostbloods? 99 Rinala: Family... What a concept. 100 Daziron: Illwei, explain yourself. 101 Illwei: Had family. 102 Rinala: Family = bad. 103 Yazadan: Family? 104 Lotus: Family? 105 Illwei: Family. 106 Rinala: Family 107 Glorious Leader: Ghostbloods lose if they all die. 108 Yazadan: Family. 109 Connie: Family. 110 Banana: Votes Illwei to explain themself. 111 Experience: Exists. 112 Daziron: Votes Illwei to explain themself. 113 Illwei: Votes Turtle for seeing a standard behavior as suspicious. 114 Connie: Confused. 115 Experience: Kill everyone but them (possibly as a joke?) 116 Connie: No. 117 Illwei: Lots of votes. 118 Daziron: Retracts Illwei for explaining. 119 Experience: If everyone dies but a known Ghostblood, they will win! 120 Connie: Didn't vote Illwei. 121 Illwei: Confusion. 122 Connie: Explains. 123 Experience: How to confirm village... 124 Illwei: Jokingly suggests things. Awful idea. 125 Connie: Scanner? 126 Experience: Maybe kill half? 127 Glorious Leader: Go ahead and slaughter each other. Bloodshed! 128 Experience: Disaster is fun. 129 Illwei: No. Bad. Stop. 130 Experience: Aim for the sun! 131 Rinala: But Diagrammists have to go along with it. 132 Illwei: No. Bad. Stop. Experience = vil for being so stupid. 133 Connie: No. Bad. Stop. 134 Illwei; No. Bad. Stop. Actually, sure. Go. KILL! 135 Experience: Would be amazing. KILL! 136 Connie: Getting help from spies. 137 Illwei: Connie, don't depend on them. 138 Connie: Okay. 139 Experience: Connie = strange. 140 Connie: Quite true. 141 Illwei: Do what you want. 142 Connie: Okay. 143 Dark: Everyone's an idiot. 144 Turtle: Reasoning. Must go. 145 Faleast: Everyone's an idiot. 146 Daziron: So many contradictions. 147 Experience; Also Convincing Diagrammists. 148 Illwei: You're ruining my strategy. 149 Daziron: Must depart. Vote count? 150 Jesereth: Exists. 151 Yazadan: Speculation. 152 Rinala: Quotations? 153 Daziron: Votes Experience. 154 Experience. Okay. 155 Illwei: Retracts Lotus, 156 Somebody: Retracts Illwei and votes Experience. 157 Jesereth: Reads. Votes Somebody. 158 Experience: Confusion. Votes Somebody. 159 Banana; Votes Somebody. 160 Experience: Trains. 161 Banana: Yes. 162 Jesereth: Departing for sweet slumber. 163 Reading: Somebody is new. 164 Jesereth: Retracts Somebody. 165 Experience: Retracts Somebody. 166 Banana: Retracts Somebody and votes Experience. 167 Experience: Doesn't want to die. 168 Banana: Doesn't want double lynch. 169 Reading: Illwei changes mind too much. 170 Banana: Retracts Experience and is willing to vote Illwei. 171 Daziron: The Somebody vote train is strange. 172 Reading: Illwei flips. 173 Daziron: Illwei is very hesitant. 174 Reading: Seems strange. 175 Vilt: Votes Alvron for thinking roles == alignment. 176 Banana: Votes Illwei. 177 Reading: Mishears Vilt. 178 Vilt: Informs. 179 Reading: Acknowledges. 180 Glorious Leader: Vote count. 181 Daziron: Very spread out. Death? No. Conclusion: I would hope Experience and Illwei would be better Diagrammists than this, but as of now, their bloodthirst and Illwei's constant hesitation ping alarm bells. The train on and subsequently off of Somebody is also alarming. I am tempted to vote Illwei just to kill both of them, but for now, I will vote Experience, because I suspect both of them are Ghostbloods. Edited October 30, 2020 by Gears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gears said: Conclusion: I would hope Experience and Illwei would be better elims than this, but as of now, their bloodthirst and Illwei's constant hesitation ping alarm bells. The train on and subsequently off of Somebody is also alarming. I am tempted to vote Illwei just to kill both of them, but for now, I will vote Experience, because I suspect both of them are village. Bold mine... is this a typo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghanderflaffle Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) I will also vote Experience . I don’t trust their words and their changing. Just so you know, I won’t be able to be on for the rest of the cycle so if XP proves themself you will have to drown out my vote. Edited October 30, 2020 by Ghanderflaffle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: Bold mine... is this a typo? [OOC: Yes. However, I meant the faction names, not the other faction.] Since I think they are both Ghostbloods, I choose to put Experience further in the lead to prevent a tie and thus deaths of many Ghostbloods. If an adequate suspicion reveals itself in the next few minutes, I would be more than happy to consider a transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shard of Reading Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 @Elkanah I voted for Illwei. You missed my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkanah Posted October 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said: @Elkanah I voted for Illwei. You missed my vote. Thank you for that Updated Vote Count Experience (4): Matrim's Dice, Somebody from Sel, Gears, Ghanderflaffle Illwei (2): Kings Way, Shard of Reading Turtle (1): Illwei Gears (1): Alvron Alvron (1): Ventyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condensation Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 I'll... just not vote. That work? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkanah Posted October 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) The Cycle is ended. The new thread will be up soon. Please refrain from sending PMs until the new cycle is posted Edited October 30, 2020 by Elkanah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkanah Posted October 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) Hour 2 Accusations Quick Fix 48 "A suicide pact? Really?" The ghostblood looked like he couldn't believe what he had just heard. "Get over here! What's your name kid?" Experience thought about it for a second and said "Well, I was hoping to come up with a newer better name once I got into the ghostbloods." "It was a clever idea to get yourself to be the sole survivor, but it seems you lacked the persuasiveness to make it happen. What do you all think? Ghostblood or Diagrammist?" The assembled group didn't reply at first. Finally a few said "diagrammist." The ghostblood nodded, swiftly chopping the back of Experience's neck. He collapsed to the ground lifeless. "The answer was neither." Faleast felt a twinge of pain in his back. Then it twisted quickly doing what usually would have been irreparable damage. "Ah right. I've been killed." he thought. He'd hoped to stick around for a bit and learn more from the ghostbloods, but he'd died before and he'd need to make this look good or they'd resort to methods that could actually hurt him. Faleast fell to the ground allowing blood to drain from the wound. Hoping it wouldn't take too long for the ghostbloods to finish up or cart him away. Experience (4): Matrim's Dice, Somebody from Sel, Gears, Ghanderflaffle Illwei (2): Kings Way, Shard of Reading Turtle (1): Illwei Gears (1): Alvron Alvron (1): Ventyl Experience was lynched! He was a Loyal Convincing Recruit Ashbringer was killed! He was a Loyal Recommended Recruit Player List Spoiler 1. Lord Silberfarben - First of the players 2. Matrim's Dice - Daziron the Fused 3. Gears - Fourth of the Dark (looking to trap... something) 4. Ghanderflaffle - Kriti the Death Averse 5. Lotus - Lotus of the Reshi 6. Condensation - Connie the great guesser 7. Kings Way - Banana the Symmetrical 8. Somebody From Sel - Somebody F. Mysterious 9. JesterLavorre - Jesereth with a discerning eye 10. Quinn0928 - Rinala master of sounds 11. Illwei - the merciless scholar 12. Alvron - Yazadan the Bloodthirsty 13. Turtle - the Planner 14. Ashbringer - Faleast the Rogue (Loyal Recommended) 15. Shard of reading - The Ameliorate 16. Windrunner Supreme - seven letters for paranoia fun 17. Ventyl - Lafay Vilt the twinborn Sandalloy Compoundster 18. Experience - Toby the Deiter-Mind (Loyal Convincing) The cycle will end at 10 AM MDT 10/31/2020 Please Bold your votes so they are easy for me to pick up as I scan the thread. https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=220&iso=20201031T10&year=2020&month=10&day=31&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&msg=Hour Two Edited October 31, 2020 by Elkanah 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 @Elkanah, can you put the vote count in the OP? When that happens, I'm going to look at the later XP voters. And Somebody from Sel. Connie abstaining from voting could be a point in her favor, though it also could just be a way to dodge any reads from a vote. Ashbringer is an interesting choice for a kill, I'd guess the elims probably just thought it would give us the least information. I probably will go through his posts too, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessential Posted October 30, 2020 Report Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) I went back through Ashbringer's posts as well after I saw he'd been killed; the only posts he had of substance were the one where he announced his presence and the one where he explained exactly why the suicide pact wouldn't work. Neither of those seem like reasons to make him a target (since other people had *already* pointed out flaws in the suicide pact), so I would guess that Matrim's Dice is right that the elims were just killing him to avoid giving away information. Unless he had PMs with anyone, and let slip that he knew something? Edit: I phrased that poorly; I meant "let slip what his role was" Edited October 30, 2020 by Quinn0928 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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