Cultivations Real Name?!

[grinachu]

So this is my first Topic, so be gentle please. I found this very telling passage in Words of Radiance  

 

"The sun hadn't quite set, but in the darkening sky, stars had begun to appear around Talns Scar. The Tear hung just above the horizon, a star much brighter than the others, named for the single tear Reya was said to have shed." (Kindle Edition, pg. 362 of 1080) 

 

Since we know the names of all the Heralds, I can only surmise Reya is Cultivation's real name and that the tear she shed was when Tanavast died. 

 

Thoughts?

[lonelymagician]

I think it warrants further looking-in-to.  But I like it.

[Argent he/him]

It's possible. We don't usually see the Shards' names go down in history, but Roshar is more cosmere-aware than the other Shardworlds, so it's possible that Cultivation's name has become a part of some cultures' lore. 

 

I will tentatively agree, and maybe see if I can get an answer from Brandon.

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Hm.

I'll buy it.

[Armless writer he/him]

Could that tear have turned into a sliver ie. a powerful god spren maybe night watcher.

[Balefire]

Could that tear have turned into a sliver ie. a powerful god spren maybe night watcher.

I just assumed that the Nightwatcher WAS cultivation, considering she's still alive. 

[Argent he/him]

But doesn't have to be. Nightwatcher, I mean, not alive. It's possible that Cultivation just dumped a ton of her power - for some reason (as a part of the Oathpact?) into a single spren and stepped away from the action. The main argument for believing that the Nighwatcher is Cultivation is Wyndle's reference to her as "mother" - but now that we know Syl calls the Stormfather "father," I am more in favor of the idea that the Nightwatcher is the Stormfather's equivalent from Cultivation's side of things. Or, as close to an equivalent as we can get.

[b4dave he/him]

I can't remember this specific passage, but do we know what context it was in? Was it viewed by someone native to Roshar, or from the vantage point of someone possibly from off world? When I read the above quote, my mind went immediately to the Tears of Edgli…I'm probably wrong though, I'll have to go back and see if I can find it. 

[PeterAhlstrom he/him]

Reya is somebody female and important.

[Argent he/him]

Gee, Peter, try not to be too helpful all the time...

[grinachu]

So say I'm wrong: it's not Cultivation. Who else could it be?

 

My backup theory is that she was the person responsible for turning the Parshendi/Voidbringers into Parshmen. In a way she would be a parallel to Nohadon as a Non-Herald Radiant figure of importance. 

[Seerow]

Gee, Peter, try not to be too helpful all the time...

 

No kidding. 

[lonelymagician]

Well it seems like it would either be cultivation, or some other "important and female" character that we don't know yet.

[PorridgeBrick he/him]

But doesn't have to be. Nightwatcher, I mean, not alive. It's possible that Cultivation just dumped a ton of her power - for some reason (as a part of the Oathpact?) into a single spren and stepped away from the action. The main argument for believing that the Nighwatcher is Cultivation is Wyndle's reference to her as "mother" - but now that we know Syl calls the Stormfather "father," I am more in favor of the idea that the Nightwatcher is the Stormfather's equivalent from Cultivation's side of things. Or, as close to an equivalent as we can get.

 

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 281018368 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 352016688 bytes) in Unknown on line 0It's not just that he calls her Mother- but actually that he implies she has become despondent from Honor's death. That's the main evidence behind her being Cultivation.

[Argent he/him]

Hmm, there's that too. I wonder if becoming a long-term Sliver of a Shard has similar personality- / memory-overwriting effects as the one present when a person becomes a Shardholder...

[skaa he/him]

It's not just that he calls her Mother- but actually that he implies she has become despondent from Honor's death. That's the main evidence behind her being Cultivation.

Assuming that the Nightwatcher is a Splinter of Cultivation, I can understand her reaction to Honor's death, since it's the source of her own mother's grief.

Edit: The Tear reminds me of the Tears of Edgli in Nalthis. If we ever find that Edgli is the holder of Endowment then I'll wholeheartedly support the Reya=Cultivation theory. It would be a weak justification, but that's just how my mind works.

Edited March 8, 2014 by skaa

[Zmann966 he/him]

Makes perfect sense, 
Phonetically, it's everywhere in the books.

 

Knights Reyadiant

 

 

 

 

No?
Alright, I'll take my cheap pun and sit in the shame-corner, XD

[Andrew C]

If Reya turns out to be Dalinar's wife's name, I will be very annoyed at Peter.

[xbauks he/him]

If Reya turns out to be Dalinar's wife's name, I will be very annoyed at Peter.

Unlikely. We have yet to see an exact name given to 2 different people. Vorin tradition seems to be to base the name of a person on something but the name itself will be different. I don't see Dalinar's wife being named the same thing as a star.

[Cayden]

Maybe Dalinar married cultivation? then she had to fake her own death because of the oncoming Everstorm? Okay I know this isnt the case but if Dalinar reminded her of Tanavast?

[Quazar87]

It's possible. We don't usually see the Shards' names go down in history, but Roshar is more cosmere-aware than the other Shardworlds, so it's possible that Cultivation's name has become a part of some cultures' lore. 

 

I will tentatively agree, and maybe see if I can get an answer from Brandon.

The old songs name damnation Braize, and their Heralds are non-Rosharan, so yeah. I like this find.

[Galavantes]

I still suspect that Cultivation's name is Rysha.

[grinachu]

One more Cultivation related speculation to share, I think. Cultivation may be off-world as well  on one of the moons or another planet on the Rosharian system (see WOK ch. 75)

 

- "This isn't just about you either," the figure said, raising his hand into the air. A light winked out in the sky, one that Dalinar hadn't realized was there. Then another winked out as well. The sun seemed to be growing dimmer. "

 

This is a vision of the future, so the light winking out could be Cultivation leaving the Rosharian system. Or the light could be Reya's tear- the planet or moon, dying once the last ember of Honor is extinguished. The second light could be Odium destroying Braize and coming to Roshar. I don't know, but I think Cultivation may well be off-world rather than hunkered down in Shinovar. 

[Kurkistan he/him]

I read that as the lights being Shards. The two that wink out are the death of Aon and Skai/Devotion and Dominion, then.

[the_archduke]

I asked this exact question at the Phoenix signing and got RAFO