Aleksiel

Where did he call the visions desperate ploy? He called the champion plot the best advice he could give: From WoR, emphasis mine. It doesn't sound like what you suggest, but more of an attempt to refound the KR and unite them which the Listeners weren't per WoB. How could a Herald or Odium modify the visions and without the Stormfather even noticing anything? What is the evidence in support of that?

If that is so, how do you explain that Tanavast didn't even mention the Listeners?

@Weltall Renarin and Dalinar had both nahel bond and Blade bond, so I don't read Brandon's reply as necessarily saying multiple nahel bonds are possible - he RAFO-ed that question from last year, so it remains unanswered.

The guy who asked used 'spren', Brandon started to point out Blades are dead spren and then simply used spren, too. Here's unmistakably worded question: So I can't say we have confirmed multiple nahel bonds, but it's fun to speculate.

Thanks! However the context is bonding more than one Shardblade, so I do not see it as meaning it's possible to have several nahel bonds.

Parshendi are highly intelligent, though. Shallan said if you left a parshmen in the wilderness s/he would just sit there, scholars apparently had done at least some level of research. Parshmen were treated like domesticated animals and they wouldn't have made it on their own before the everstorm restored their cognitive abilities. I don't blame present day humans.

No worries. The trick I found is to press enter to create a new row and keep my cursor there, then I go to what I want to quote, which creates an empty row followed by a quote. I hope you can make sense of my explanation. Reading Shallan and Adolin's interactions in OB is delightful. I don't think she'll be mad Adolin didn't tell her about killing Sadeas because and she likely wouldn't judge him too harshly or even at all based on Surprisingly after these chapters I no longer think Shallan finding out about Sadeas murder would be a huge issue between them. It could even motivate Shallan to share with Adolin something about her past, may be her father's murder.

The Sunmaker was mentioned again and in the context of uniting, which Dalinar is trying to achieve. Perhaps he'll end up having Navani read him a book written by his predecessor - the Sunmaker.

Kaladin saw something similar during the highstorm in the chasms and Shallan noticed something lived inside the stormwall in the balcony during her date with Adolin. I hope we'll learn more soon.

Are you, too, in need of an explanation for the moral quip Shallan made? Because I sure am

Sunmaker remains one of the likeliest candidates for the author of in-world OB, he was mentioned again.

Ialai probably wouldn't want to reveal herself to Shallan, thus I doubt she would have agreed to have Mraize there if she was part of GB. I agree he might be part of her network of spies, but only to the amount GB have allow it and use it for their benefit.

Everybody go home, the Desolation has been held until a more convenient time for Sebarial Obviously the least Shallan can do since she inconvenienced you with this whole Desolation, Seb.

@SLNC The same way I could have started arguing Adolin isn't fit for the popular guy trope, because the alethi court was antagonists to his house and no one stood by him. Just because there isn't a 140% match doesn't mean it doesn't fit.

@Dreamstorm I spend some time researching what other people consider cliches nowadays (any trope can become a cliche or stop being one when it falls out of use) and among the most commonly mentioned were: female protagonists doesn't know how hot she is and most male protagonists fall for her two characters of the opposite sex start as hating each other only to become lovers love triangle That is obviously personal opinion (mine is focused on the last one), however since those were so often mentioned I'm inclined to think it is representative of a significant (without claiming it's a majority) group of readers, thus Shalladin would be a combination of all three of some of the most commonly mentioned as undesirable tropes. What comes close to the popular guy trope you mentioned was slightly different - a popular guy suddenly falling for a bland girl for no reason, which I can't say applies to Shadolin because Shallan is a very interesting character. Another thing is the lack of friendships between character of the opposite sex who aren't relatives. I'm hesitant to point this out, because it makes sense in-world - vorinism seems to favor gender segregation and bridgecrews had no women. Still, it would be nice to see one develop. This is the most compelling pro-reading the Bible argument I've ever encountered You convinced me

Wait, where is it said surgebinder could have more than one spren? I remember reading something along the lines one could attract more than one, but it didn't sound like you could bond all attract, I interpreted it the surgebinder simply had two possible roads to go. About Elsecallin Brandon said it's imprecise even when you know what you're doing, so I imagine while you could elsecall to a city you wouldn't be able to pick a preferred building floor, but we'll see soon enough.

What do you think - are death rattles glimpses into a possible or inevitable future? I didn't find a WoB that we'll see all death rattles happen, just that they would make a lot more sense in the first five SA books, so it makes me wonder if Roshar (and may be the Cosmere) is more predetermined than not.

@PlanetReelo I wouldn't use trope and cliche interchangeably. Yes, those tropes I mentioned have been overdone is different fantasy subgenres and readers are more aware and tired of them - not all, yet a significant enough proportion to have both those tropes mentioned in various videos and articles on the subject. The arranged marriage working out is something Brandon has done in Warbreaker, but it's a trope that has fallen out of fashion in our century, so I wouldn't call it a cliche currently. They were several in Song of Ice and Fire, but 'working out' isn't something that applies Subtle and debatable difference when a trope is a cliche... But I'm yet to see anyone outside Shalladin threads complain about all those successful arranged marriages writers are selling us. I'd say two love triangles would take too much attention on one type of romance trope in a non-romantic novel. We have one - Dalinar, Navani, Gavilar - that we'll probably see more of in this book, so from outline perspective (yes, I know some people hate this argument) I doubt Brandon will insert another one. I think it would do great disservice of Kaladin's character to get tangled in a love triangle - he wouldn't fool around with a girl that's currently in a relationship, that would undermine his arc of being the person who does what's right. The Tarah venue sounds very interesting to explore - he remembered her in both books and we know for certain there's a flashback indicating it's highly probable they are in close proximity again, so I wouldn't write off a meeting between them.

Shadolin wasn't part of what you quoted, so there was no reason to make a reply about it. I clarified above what I meant, may be that will help clear out your confusion If your intention was to start a productive debate around types of tropes, you could have picked a post where those were discussed or expressed your view without focusing on any post in particular instead of singling a sentence from a chain. Your decision to engage me by using 'Relax' as your first word didn't help improve my impression, it's a poor way of starting a conversation, especially when jumping into the middle of an already finished one. Regardless, apologies accepted. I don't agree cliches are prevalent throughout the WoK and WoR, but if you insist on that, then I want to know what all too similar books you've read, so I can read them too

Yes, that's the one I meant, sorry if it wasn't clear. It is as if both Odium and Vargo are gathering intelligence through the death rattles.

@Nebty In the above post I shared how I felt when I wrote that referenced post. There were some people saying if Brandon writes X, it will be amazing and I am someone who never found X amazing, which might have influenced my interpretation. May be you didn't mean it that way, it's a days dead discussion and we moved on to talking on other points. Nothing productive will come from singling out an emotionally colored out of context sentence like the person I was responding to above did. Please don't consider my post an accusation, but take it as the expressed feeling in a already passed moment, which it was. I simply prefer to share those, because written communication lacks some important elements, especially when people don't know each other

It's an interesting idea. If true, I'd imagine when it functioned correctly it could target the guilty radiant or at least her/his Order instead of these seemingly random murders.

You completely missed the context of the post you quoted. First, it's not a Shadolin post, so why are you turning your response into an attack on that ship? Second it was in regards of me being told I would like it if Brandon wrote it even after I stated it's something I dislike; that's borderline shaming and if you take the same approach and apply it on another topic you may see how it came off to me and actually understand what I meant. Don't take a single sentence out the whole discussion, of course it changes nuance that way.

Here's a WoB I find relevant: So I doubt it's the Heralds or anyone's Cognitive Shadow speaking through the dying. You could be on to something, but for now I find the in-world explanation satisfactory and I think even that death rattle seemingly befitting Taln will eventually make sense as a future event.

@Calderis it could be argued it was due to the amount of stormlight combined with its improved efficiency now that he has sworn two oaths. Lopen's arm didn't heal from one sphere, it grew back just a little and he's only a squire. It's not a perfect comparison and I'm more inclined to think it's connected to whatever special abilities Bondsmiths have that in-world WoR hinted to, but that has its problems, too. The easiest explanation I see is the Nightwatcher lifted the curse/boon for some reason. There is the unexplained vision of his childhood with warm light that Dalinar felt and then the same warm light again on another occasion if I recall correctly, so somebody other than the SF was reaching to him. .