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It's better, but it really has to be a circle in a circle type thing. *Everything* has a Spiritweb. Almost everything has a cognitive presence, even if it's basically microscopic. Most things have a physical presence. The Physical is the only realm that isn't necessary to existence in the Cosmere. Even a planet or asteroid in space that no one knows about should have some sort of cognitive presence, even if it's just a tiny little patch that you can't see with the naked eye. At most, I would have the Physical that's apart from the Cognitive be just a little sliver.

Brandon has said that's up to the reader--whether the CS is the actual person's mind, that has been strengthened enough to stick around, or just an imprint made of investiture.

I don't know if that will work without some retconning. Because there was a big deal about the one-Breath Lifeless, and they are arguably more complex than Awakening objects. If objects need a Breath a week in order to keep going, then Lifeless should too. They're a lot closer to the Returned than Awakened objects are. Used up, with no particular time frame, would make more sense with little retconning. There's already some establishment for it, with the annotation on why Jewels was stitching up Clod.

Because Nale and the others are bugnuts.

Sorry. Even rocks and dirt and water have Spiritual aspects. Almost everything we see has ties to all three realms, with just a few exceptions, such as cognitive shadows. A rock's spiritweb, I'm sure, is just as strong as a human's. It's just different. Many types of spren have physical aspects, sapient or not. Dead sprenblades are weird. Ico's father is a deadeye that he keeps in his hold. He says that he would go wandering off to find the person holding his corpse. But why doesn't his father disappear when the Blade is summoned? Does he disappear and reappear in the same place? Or not disappear at all? It's weird, anyway. But deadeyes still have a very obvious cognitive presence, they just aren't sapient any longer. They also still have a spiritweb and a physical body, as we can see. I don't think we know enough about the Realms and the dwellers therein to really chart them out yet.

Very interesting. But again, Roshone has a known lineage, has cousins who are Alethi nobility, and had a son. All signs that point to him not being a Herald. Also, the Heralds' surgebinding abilities are tied to their Honorblades. No Honorblade, no stormlight. So unless he's a budding Radiant, his eyes wouldn't have been glowing.

Maybe because they require an Oathed Radiant to work them.

Small correction: they were not allowed to transfer people from Shadesmar to the Physical realm. They were still able to transfer people between two locations in the Physical Realm (in this case, Urithiru and Thaylen City), as we see them doing this during the battle. The epigraphs and hints we have so far appear to indicate that Urithiru was a giant fabrial, but one that protected from Odium and the influences of the Unmade, rather than a trap for Odium. Honor himself made the Oathgates and bound the spren to work them, so it seems unlikely that using them would free Odium in some way. Odium does use the Oathgates. The Fused attacked through the Kholinar Oathgate as a distraction from Urithiru sending help to Thaylen City. I think the similarity between "Oathpact" and "Oathgates" is just because Honor likes oaths.

Yes, that's it exactly.

Sorry, no. I think I'm explaining this badly. It's late, I'm sick, and my brain is fuzzy So Kaladin and the others weren't CS. They had transitioned their physical bodies into the CR, so they were living people with physical aspects, who had slipped into the CR. CS are sapient beings who have died. And their consciousness, or self, have not gone Beyond, thanks to Investiture. Kelsier was a CS. Kaladin & Co would appear normally to a CS because they were fully in the CR, even though they still had physical bodies. I was using them as a contrast to the appearance of normal flames of minds. I didn't mean to imply they were CS, just that they looked like normal people in the CR. While in bodies, the Heralds would look pretty much like every other mind to someone in the CR. A flame. They *might* have a bit more of a cognitive presence, so maybe a larger flame, or a flame shaped like a person? Unknown. But they HAVE died, and so their tie to a physical body is artificial, created by an infusion of investiture. They have some more limitations, such as Kelsier had when trying to use Preservation's power, trying to get too far from the main body of the investiture that powers them, etc. If their connection to the physical were severed, they would then appear again in the CR as cognitive shadows. They wouldn't be threatened by the Beyond, because they're already invested enough to remain. That's basically what I'm trying to say.

Right, so on Scadrial, people who are also physical appear as dim, misty versions of themselves. When they're fully in the CR, as CS or whatever, they are full-color, normal versions of themselves. So on Roshar, people who are also physical appear as flames. Cognitive Shadows would be like Kaladin&Co while they were in the CR, or like the Fused, except not corrupted: Because they're stapled into a body, as the phrase goes, they appear like other people, but their tie to the PR is artificial. And also https://wob.coppermind.net/events/312-orem-signing/#e8942 That scene with Kaladin was killing a spren in the physical realm, not killing a cognitive shadow

Have you read Secret History? Also, yes https://wob.coppermind.net/events/312-orem-signing/#e8942

Nightblood would pretty much eat anything.

Yeah that. Sorry, long days.

I think it has to do with the speed that the stormlight is drawn out. Soulcasting (and regrowing Plate) seem to use the stormlight very rapidly, whereas "breathing" it in takes slightly more time. An abrupt change like that could be what causes the gem to crack.

Ah thanks. But that would involve harming the physical self, so I don't think Hoid could do it. Personally, anyway.

Sorry, I'm tired. I don't quite understand the relevance to this thread?

He'll have to learn to be a lot more persuasive

Why would he want Syl to die instead of living on and bonding another person?

I like to call a distinction between Cognitive Shadows (a sapient being that has died and its consciousness has remained behind due to investiture), and spren/Splinters (bits of investiture that have gained sapience). They're both investiture in the end, but having once been a being with strong ties to all 3 Realms makes a difference. For instance, CS can go Beyond, if they want. It doesn't appear like spren can.

Well a Cognitive Shadow is the consciousness of a person (or imprint thereof). So while they're in bodies, they're tied to the Physical aspect. If Hoid can harm a Cognitive Shadow while it's in a body, he would be able to hurt the Cognitive self of any being, it seems.

Yeah the character is built first. The name of the character has very little relevance to the character's personality or arc. It's a name that really could be interchangeable. Kaladin used to be named Merin, and Vasher and Hoid have lots of pseudonyms.

I don't think he could destroy them while they were in physical bodies. If they were floating around in the CR, yeah he could definitely do some things.