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You can have a god who is an atheist. That was Lightsong's whole character arc in Warbreaker. Jasnah would be an interesting Goddess.

The cliffhanger was an effective hook, I guess. If Sanderson killed Jasnah in chapter 6 of WoR that would leave a lot hanging with her character. Great opportunities would be lost by Jasnah dying. After Kaladin, Jasnah is my favorite character, so I admit I'm a bit biased. Still, I think objectively killing Jasnah would be a mistake at this point. Even GRRM didn't kill characters that were still useful to the story. Jasnah getting kidnapped on the other hand might work. However, how would her attackers make it off the ship without being turned into crystal? Another matter, as powerful as Jasnah is, if she dies hopefully it would be in a blaze of glory.

Jasnah is a mentor, but the is only one facet of her character. I think Sanderson can do more with her. Her and Kaladin interacting will be very interesting. I'm okay with character death, but only if it will help the story. I think killing Jasnah would be detrimental at this point. Also being a mentor does not always mean death. Sazed from Mistborn was kind of a mentor and he didn't die. If Sanderson did kill off Jasnah, I'm sure he would do it in the best way possible. But I don't think she is doomed just yet.

There seems to be one more Kaladin chapter than the current draft, but otherwise it is spot on. Thanks for sharing. So Adolin gets a chapter in part 2. I wonder if he and Dalinar will switch off parts. Dalinar gets chapters in part 1 and 3. Adolin chapters are in part 2 and 4 and so on. Maybe not. We shall have to see. I bet the cliffhanger of part one is Kaladin seeing Amaram again.

Kill them all isn't necessary. Maybe send them all away?

A few theories based on the chapters. - I wonder why there were no Navani quotes at the beginning of chapters 8 and 9. Maybe there are quotes for those chapters in the book, but they have too many spoilers. - Chapter 7 is a Shallan Flashback chapter and Shallan is waking up to an accidental lightweaving of her past at the end of chapter 6. - If Dalinar wrote the words on the wall, something is controlling him. Maybe he will "destroy" Roshar at the end of WoR. Destroy meaning bringing on the Desolation somehow. Jasnah description of what happened to humanity in the past sound pretty destroyed to me. -Amaram is coming. I think Kaladin is going to consider sharing his powers with Dalinar, until he sees Dalinar's old friend. That will put a wedge between them for sometime in the book. -Kaladin will become enough of a KR to open the path to Urithiru before the book ends. Likely, he will learn the rest of his oaths before the end. -I don't think we saw all of Chapter Nine or Chapter Ten is the Sigzil testing Kaladin chapter. Of course this is all speculation.

50% of the Heralds were women as well. And each got a big old blade to fight with.

You have a point about the jam. If she did make the soulcaster out of air, I still hope it is explained how. Much of what people assume Jasnah can do is still speculation. Brandon tends to always make his magic more costly than a mere waving of the hands and what you wish for appears. What was the cost to make that soulcaster? How long did it take her to learn how to make it? And, most importantly, how did she practice and hide her powers without it?

Okay, but could she shape the soulcaster into the correct shape from thin air? A room is a box, easy to imagine. I have doubts that a soulcaster would be as simple. If she can then I hope this is explained in WoR or a later book.

I think a gold chain from a craftwoman in one city and a frame from a goldsmith in another city would not lead anyone to believe Jasnah was making a soulcaster, especially because the skill to make them was lost. It just bugs me that people assume soulcasting means you can make things out of thin air. I don't think that is how it works. Something is made from something. May she whittled wood into the proper shape and soulcast it. That would be consistent with the text. If it is never clearly stated in text where Jasnah got the fake, we might have to ask Brandon.

I agree that the majority of women would not be ideal for infantry, but there could be some women who could handle it. I doubt a woman would ever be the strongest in the army, but the are some that can handle a rifle or pistol with enough skill for combat. Also shardplate and surgebinding powers are a great equalizers. Jasnah was able to kill four attackers with only one hand. I'd like to avoid this discussion becoming an argument about equal rights. I'll just say there are no absolutes. If someone is able to do something they should be allowed to do so. If they aren't then they should not be given allowances regardless of gender. Roshar however will have a different situation because magic is involved.

True. Personally I think something is wrong with the modern plate and blade of the story. I don't think any surgebinder could use them. However, I admit this is speculation. Maybe a nahel bond would allow you to use plate. But even if Dalinar is a surgebinder, he still does not have a nahel bond at this point. The rules the apply to Szeth most likely apply to him as well.

It says in Szeth's prologue that he could not use plate because his power would interfere with the gemstones that power the plate. I think Dalinar's plate would have given out before he affected Elhokar's plate.

As you all know, her soulcaster is fake. She could have gone to several jewelry makers to have the parts commissioned, and then put the thing together herself. It didn't need to be perfect because it's fake. Now does anyone know that she has the ability to soulcast without a fabrial. I doubt it. I think the only person on Roshar that knows that it Shallan Still, the fact that Jasnah can soulcast is well known. That was the main focus of Shallan's story in book one. Everyone is just assuming Jasnah found a rare artifact but didn't give it to the proper authorities.

Indeed. Are the Alethi within there rights to defend themselves from harm, including killing their king? Yes. However their war is not for defense. It is for revenge. Revenge is harder to justify, though it makes sense. The desire to punish someone who harmed you or the ones you loved in someway is understandable. None the less, when Jack Ruby shot and killed Lee Harvey Oswald for killing John F. Kennedy, he was still not justified for that action and was put on trial for murder. I think people defend the Alethi's choice to go to war because they like Dalinar so much. A good man can make a bad mistake, a mistake that even Dalinar admits to. You're talking to a Libertarian, so politically I would prefer if government took as little action as possible, but that's the ideal not real life. Governments more often than not take action when it is necessary and usually justified. Sadly, however, governments will take action for reasons that are not justified, such as greed or vengeance. I was using the Radiants as the ideal for justified war. They may not fit that ideal. So you're right, I should not have used them as the example. Indeed. May yours as well.

I withdraw my point about what the KR would do, admitting we don't know enough yet for them to be an example. Still, even by your examples, the Alethi war is not completely justified. I don't think it was supposed to be shown as justified in The Way of Kings, but perhaps Words of Radiance will shed more light on the issue.

Saint Augustine's War Doctrine. All of this four conditions must be met for a war to be justified. 1. the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain; Well killing Gavilar upset things, but if the Alethi hadn't gone to war Dalinar and Elhokar might have been able to stabilize things. So the damage may not have been lasting, or grave. So the Alethi are not justified by this point. 2.all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective; Dalinar said in chap 58 : "I would send more envoys and scholars to find out why the Parshendi killed Gavilar. We gave up on that too easily... If rebels weren't the cause of the assassination, I'd keep asking until I learned why they did it. I'd demand repayment--perhaps their own king, delivered to us for execution in turn--in exchange for granting peace..." The Alethi did not try all other means of putting an end to the conflict. They are not justified by the second point. 3.there must be serious prospects of success; Okay so the Alethi might have this point in their favor. 4.the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. Sadeas bridge crews alone make it impossible for the Alethi to meet this condition. Also there is the fact that the Alethi war ethic is worse than the Parshendi. So according the Saint Augustine's Just War Theory, the Alethi war isn't justified. Does that make the Alethi evil? No. But as Kaladin said speaking of his enemy and his army: "They aren't innocent, but neither are we. Not by a faint breeze or a stormwind." However, I think the Parshendi would have still killed Gavilar to prevent the horrible thing that they thought he was going to do even if the Knight's Radient were still around. I'm not sure the Knights Radiant would make a preemptive attack on mostly innocent people. I don't think most of the Parshendi fighting this war had anything to do with how Gavilar died. Because of their codes, the Knight's Radiant would not kill the innocent to punish the few guilty among them. However, I admit that I don't know enough about Roshar, the Knight Radiant, or the Parshendi to know what they would do if the Knight's Radiant of the old days were still around. However, I don't think they would go to war for the same reasons the Alethi did.

Being evil and not being justified are two different things. And, sadly, American has done great evil in its past. That doesn't make it an evil nation, but it's not a paragon of perfection either. I never said the Alethi were evil. I merely said their war wasn't justified. Do you think the KR would have started this war?

The Alethi didn't explore other options. They just went right to kill them all and take their land. The whole principle behind the war is wrong. The Vengeance Pact wasn't about protecting Alethkar from a possible threat of uncultured savages wielding shardblades. It was about saving face. They could have dealt with the possible threat other ways. Chap 58 TWoKs: They didn't need to go to war right away. There were other options, but they were so mad they ignored them. If someone from Canada killed the President of the United States, would the U.S. be justified in nuking Canada? The Parshendi handled the situation badly, as far as we know. Maybe they didn't believe an explanation was possible. That does not justify the Alethi going to war.

Something just seems wrong that the death of one man is justification to slaughter thousands on both sides. The Parshendi should have explained themselves, but vengeance isn't a logical reason to do anything. They when to war for vengeance because the Parshendi had insulted them not because they thought the Parshendi was a real threat. They went to war for the same reason Sadeas would have hunted down the bridgemen if they had escaped, to save face. If the Parshendi were more of the threat to the Alethi I think the war would be more acceptable, but these people are not threat as a whole. They when to war to save face and to steal the Parshendi lands.. As I read over TWoKs again, more and more every character who wants to embody the ideals of the KR is coming to see the War, even in it's start as ridiculous. If Dalinar were the same man he is at the end of TWoKs, I don't think he would have sought vengeance this way. In chapter 58 Dalinar had several really good ideas that would not have cost so many lives. If Jah Kaved had killed the king, war would have made far more since, because Jah Kaved may have been a threat to all of Alethkar, but the Parshendi were nothing. That's my problem with them going to war. Now could Dalinar and Eloikar been able to seek vengeance without war? No, the other Highprinces would have demanded it, but that doesn't justify it.

This professional Narrator only works with the Kindle Fire. The standard Kindle does not have this option. "Mrs." actually, though I can admit my mistake. Michael must have improved since 1996.

Not the the version I was given. Only a man narrated it and he sounded different, older than Michael. There was no female narrator. Or maybe Michael improved since then and I became bored and quit before I got to Kate's part. Oh Well, I lost that book on CD, so I can't be sure. At least I enjoy listening to Michael when he read "The Way of Kings," "Mistborn," and "Alloy of Law."

I loved Kate's narration on "The Way of Kings." Michael's reading was good too, but Kate's stood out more to me. I'm happy they are doing the narration again on "Words of Radiance." A bad reader can destroy an audiobook. The guy who read for "The Eye of the World" audiobook put me to sleep.

The war is a human reaction, but that doesn't justify it. Kaladin summed up the war well this way. I don't think the KR would fight this war.

I find it odd so many want to defend the Alethi's choice to go to war. It makes sense why they did so, but that does not mean it was the right thing to do. Several passages in "The Way of Kings" suggest the war is foolish. I think Kaladin would agree with many of Moogle's arguments.