Sart

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Sart   This is the type of post you attach a poke vote to. You didn't. That's weird. 

Fair. It's just that I feel like I've fallen into a holding pattern with this game in general. I'll make one or two tentative votes, then retract them after getting basically any push back. I usually end up on poke votes as a safe option. Then when I do swing for the fences, I usually make such a wild claim that it's immediately read as nonsensical. I'm just tired of it.

So, what the hell, I'll just go where my gut's telling me. Xino. TJ. I really didn't like his vote on Ash. If he's more suspicious of me than Ash, why vote Ash and not me? That's an easy enough train to get going, since Kasimir, who is being very active, had already voted for me. It wasn't even halfway through the cycle. I just feel like the vote was too opportunistic. Plus, it lets him pivot onto my execution for the next cycle in a village Ash world.

Having just made this post, I feel really weird about it. I already know it's going to get attacked from two different angles. One, it's way too retaliatory. I get my first vote and I'm already defending myself? That's not a good look. And two, this is a tacit defense of Ash yet again. I'm sure Kas is going to read it as he and I being on the same team. I'm not sure what alignment he is, but I've now voted on two separate counter trains. Fun times. It's difficult to draw anything from I'm busy right now. It's why we have the Contribution Crusade in the first place, so I understand why the train is happening. I'm half tempted to join it myself. Still, I feel like it's better to raise a suspicion now, rather than wait and let it fester. The gut wants what the gut wants.

As an aside, where the heck is @Devotary of Spontaneity? They were on the shard 8 hours ago, but they haven't said anything yet. I'm not sure it's alignment indicative, but I just want to hear from them.

Well, this is awkward. I could swear I played a game with Xino where he was super active, and it turned out he was evil. Then after that he was always a more low activity player, and he always seemed to flip good. I have no evidence for this though, and quite frankly, I don't feel like trawling through my excessive history with this site. Did I hop into a parallel universe? Possibly. Was I mistaken? Too early to say for certain, but the evidence isn't exactly conclusive.

Now I have to go back to the drawing board and actually do tone analysis. Ugh. I was so excited thinking that I had found a tell that I could easily bust open.

4 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

That's backwards from what the evidence says. Kas put together a fancy diagram and everything.

Really? Does anyone have a link to this diagram? I'd like to be proven wrong here.

Yeah, I'm just going to throw a vote on xinoehp512.  He always spikes in activity when he's evil, which makes him way too easy too read. If it turns out you're innocent, at least I can revise my overall impression of you, and not be so judgemental.

Why not? I'll sign up as Star Guy.

3 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

No.

Dang it. Back to the drawing board.

Alright, I think I've cracked it.

I am making an accusation! I accuse Archer of being the Assassin. I think he used a Stone to commit the murder, and left behind a Black Sphere.

@Araris Valerian

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

How would Invested fit into that?

The way I'm reading the clue, the Piece of Evidence must be Invested. When we were both evil last game, this clue was really helpful determining what Evidence was left behind. I suppose it's possible the Murder was committed using an Invested Weapon, but in that case, why not use supernatural as the cause of death? Thus, we're looking for a Murder that can happen in the wilderness, which left behind a piece of Invested evidence.

I think I have to abandon my theory on Wild Animals being out of play. The evidence left behind, which presumably means Evidence and not murder, can't be tied to both Wilderness and Invested, at least as far as I can see. Given that the category is fairly specific, I must conclude that the Method of Murder is something you would only find in the Wilderness, so I'm leaning way more towards animal attack.

11 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I would argue this is significant since as Jasnah points out, the Parshendi sing when they kill.

Suppose we take Partial to be corpse condition and Slave to rule out a bunch of Evidence on the grounds a Slave wouldn't have, say, Hallendren dyes?

Why I didn't spend my guess on it.

Partial isn't describing the corpse, it's describing where a hint on the corpse is. To me, that implies more information about the Evidence, rather than Cause of Death.

3 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Considering [Wiz, pistol, pet lizard]

Cuz wilderness —> evidence of a pet lizard or pet monkey etc 

Sudden sound —> pistol 

[JNV, bow and arrow, hog] also fit the bill cuz sudden sound is the best descriptor of a bow and arrow method of murder out of the options plus it fits both the descriptions of a severe but partial wound. Same with the pistol in Wiz’s case 

How does this factor in the victim being a slave? That's the thing that's sticking out at me. There was an option for a None rank, but instead the Almighty chose the Slave option, which is definitely an extreme.

What I'm leaning towards is Archer, Parshendi, and Claw Marks. The Parhsendi are generic enough that they wouldn't fit any other category. They are Slaves. The Wilderness location is meant to point us to the Claw Marks as evidence. The Hint on the Corpse points to Claw Marks as that's not an item that would appear on one particular part of the body. The victim being Elderly might be referencing the age of the Parshendi? Main thing that doesn't fit is the Sudden Noise. If this were the Parshendi, they should be singing all the time, and thus have a Prolonged noise. Not sure what's going on there, which is why I'm not comfortable submitting this.

1 minute ago, TheAlpha929 said:

I said crossbow because maybe it was like hunting trip, and someone said “hey, there’s that guy, I don’t like that guy, let’s kill him” I don’t know man. You do have a good point 

Personally, I like this thought process. We know that the murder took place in the wilderness, but also that it was not an accident. If this was truly a wild animal attack, why not choose Accident. This contradiction, along with the sudden noise being heard at the crime scene, makes me think we're looking at a projectile weapon, like a gun.

Yes! I'm good this time around. Now I can actually attempt to solve the crime, rather than going, "yeah, well, maybe, but idk" a bunch.

Wait do I need to sign up again? Joining as Aesop.

What's immediately jumping out at me is the Piece of Evidence column. We know that it isn't Natural, that it isn't Invested, that it isn't Artistic, and that it's not Written. That should narrow down our search a fair amount. To be honest, I'm having trouble finding anything that fits.

9 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

[OOC: That and to be fair, the Witness issue. Since we know the Witness is in the game, reminder to anyone who is Village that it is crucial we muddy the waters as far as possible. Think Winzik/Reform Spy/Tineye/Merlin mechanic all over again - if we guess right but the Elims find the Witness, we're kinda screwed anyway.]

Wait, how do we know the Witness is in the game? Doesn't it depend on the distribution?

Jeez...

Join as Jerome.

I'd like to put my name on the QF GM list. Specifically, this would be a re-run of QF24.

I don't feel good about this game. I realized early on that role claiming was becoming increasingly effective in thread, because we hadn't jumped on early enough with fake claims. When it became apparent that I was the only one who hadn't claimed, I panicked. We were getting role analyzed hard on Day 3, which was causing me no shortage of grief. The issue wasn't the people inside of the Tie Guy result. The issue was actually the people outside of it. If the thread had assumed that there were 5 elims to start with (an underestimation), they would then assume that there would be 2 elims outside the pool. With a majority of the confirmed roles being outside the pool, the only people left were myself, Bip, and JNV, but JNV had a somewhat decent claim. That was causing issues, and I still hadn't come up with a good claim. I debated back and forth on Day 4 trying to bus Bip, by doing a bold claim of analyst. However, I started panicing, especially since another Tie Guy was on the table. At the very end of Day 4, I decided to say to hell with it, and just straight up open-wolfed to break what I thought was a tie. That didn't work, although Bip was saved. I went dead silent in the thread, because I knew my role was more valuable than Bips.

However, I don't want to use inactivity as a strategy. It encourages a bad meta, and was making my stomach hurt. That's why near the end of Day 5, I backtracked my bus claim, and went with a yolo play to really distract the thread from Steel, another one of my teammates. It was obviously super sus, and frustrated my teammates as well. I even got the role name wrong. It wasn't a surprise when I got killed, although I wasn't expecting the runner up to die as well. I suppose I should have just open wolfed at that point, but I was frustrated with my play, and ended up just ghosting the thread. Still not happy about the way it turned out.

This especially sucked because I love heavy role analysis games. It was just really bad for my team in this scenario, so I had to argue that revealing wasn't a good thing, when it clearly was. So frustrating, but it was fun trying to argue the other side.

If I had any problems with the mechanics, it was actually one ruling that I think tipped this game to the village. Double trolling should have negated itself. Because we got a trusted troll early on, plus the addition of other potential trolls, it became too easy to trust scan results. As long as Aman trolled a scanner, their results would be one hundred percent incorrect, which is very easy to logically negate. That's why I blocked Aman twice (Sorry about that). We couldn't instill enough doubt in the chain of claims, and that spelt our doom. If instead trolling canceled itself out, we could've played with a lot more doubt. Even though our distro didn't have a troll in it, it would've greatly expanded the claim space, and would've led to less mechanical clearing.

In conclusion, this game was still a lot of fun, especially in the early game. I'm disappointed in myself for how I acted though, and will try to rectify that in future games. Maybe I should've signed up for the Mid-Range game to redeem myself, but I needed to take a breather from this. I'll happily participate in the next one though.

Just now, Ashbringer said:

This should be it?

Don’t really like a sudden Fadran push.

Agreed.

I've been trying for the better part of the cycle to try and justify my last minute vote retraction, but I can't. I panicked, and let an elim off the hook.

I'm a Vote Analyst. Biplet is a Bot. Araris and Aman are clear.

Bip

What the... Bip

9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Theoretically, you and I could move to Sart, if we really wanted... 

*notices Sart viewing thread*

Yeah Yeah. I just got on, and was doing a read through. So, we need a tie vote? Fine by me. Biplet. I don't love the whole I haven't been paying attention defense. It's too easy for Elims to hide with that excuse. Let the Contribution Crusade ride again!

Crap. I forgot about Striker's claim. Just wanted to get discussion going on someone else, since I wasn't enthused about the Dannex train.