Crysanja

in Dalinars visions we havent seen any human or if you like so parhendi like "monsters". when the odium spren can turn mud or stone to their use, what use is a larger waterbag? the mud or stone is more or less unfailable. fighting it with conventional weapons will be difficult. but now turn a perhendi, after all they are flesh and blood, thouse things fail rather quickly. they would need to turn into something very powerfull to be desireable over stone and mud. they would need to become something like a radiant, with plate, sword and magic. if they would turn in something like that, the parhsendi would have lots of shardblades now. but we only know from a very few.

from the reading we assume that prashendi bond with spren to change form. this would make the corpses of prashendi like a dead spren or a home of a spren. sly seems not that much distressed with usesing thouse so there is propably more to shards, which she dislikes a shard plate seems to be a much lesser form of a shard then a blade i would go as far as to say the shard plate is more like a halfshard then a blade. the blade seems more or less indestructable, but the plate will suffer with just a few blows.

dont forget radiants die too, their weapons can be lost for the radiants then. this happens in each desolation - so there are propably more shards. maybe each radiant only uses his own grown/made shards, this would mean there are even more. do radiants destory/recycle shards?

there is one thing that speaks strongly against the parshendi being voidbringers. the human nature. its not like there is just one desolation there were many. we can assume that several times the humans understood or learned that the parshendi can turn into voidbringers. so what are humans doing with most threats or things not understood? they erradicate them. like the european settlers at america or australia. we even bring animals to extinction because they pray on our farm animals. like bears, wolfs .... in europe. before the arguement comes that the humans were tricked into enslave the parshendi instead - if they were to turn into voidbringers, they would have been need to trick them after each desolation <- feels unlikely. so either bad spren can bound to lots of stuff to create evil creatures - Dalinars vision stone or mudd - or its not the pershendi.

uh i think the destruction will be the alethi way of life. this propably has to be destroyed, to forge some grather alliance to fight in the desolation. it has too many limitations too. i think a radiant or someone who wants to use thouse powers, needs the ability to read/write and teach thouse skills.

i think the first 5 books just setup the playing gournds for the desolation. idk how long a desolation is, but i guess its years. so i think the desolation will start slowly, and they might reintroduce the radiants to fight against the evil monsters. its propably about getting humanity together for the cause. an united front against the evils. i dont think there will be humans fighting for the evil side, maybe the prashman, or some of them. Dalinar made alot of problems in the first book, maybe causing a alethi civil war. or atleast putting house Kaholin in a very powerless position.

there are problems here. there is a huge status difference between lighteyes and darkeyes. i would go so far as to say, its proper for a lighteyes to ignore darkeyes, like servents. so what would happen when Dalinars household starts spending alot of spheres and work on thouse darkeyes? like thouse darkeyes are importand. Dalinar was allready in a difficult position with the high princes, before he did this "crazy" action to give away a shardblade. he didnt just give it away he gave it to his enemy/rival, and then for slaves! this will put Dalinar and his house into an even more difficult position. his high prince of war buisness and honorable behavior for everyone will not help at all. now you all suggest special crafting/inventing of weapons for darkeye(slaves)? if the research of Jasnah gets known in the warcamps, its not going to help at all either. researching voidbringers? "like a crazy person" fairytailes! how much can all thouse high-princes take before Dalinar has nothing left? you might just say that the desolation might be the only thing, that can save Dalinar position within the camp.

i wanted to throw in a few questions. 1.is there a limited number of flame spren in the world? 2.are spren creatures which eat, age, grow, give birth and die? 3.does a fire create flame spren, or is it just attracting them. 4.maybe there is a plain spren(mostly invisible), which turns into a flame spren when it gets near a fire? and turns back, when the fire is out? 5.can spren bound to animals or objects? 6.what do spren get out of the bond? <- they seem to get memory/ies and intelligence sorry i guess some of thouse have answers, but i think they are key to this topic too. edit: thanks to Gloom this makes things more clear.

i think thouse things are about the useage of the by-products of gem cutting. as long as it can hold stormlight it is a sliver. if its larger its going to be a higher denomination. just take a cookie, hit it hard. the smallest parts are the things we speak about. btw its very difficult to see the sliver in a dull sphere, thats why you want infused ones.

uh i wouldnt say rithmatic-magic is weak compared to others. we havent seen a calkling attack a person yet and dont know how long a drawn calkling can be effective. a rithmatist could just draw some lines of forbiddens and is more or less protected from any mistling.

they can only make thouse halve-shards which are broken after a few hits. its not known how difficult it is to transfere this to other items. darkeye weapons seem not realy importand to make special weapons for. so there is alot of research needed, and a request from Dalinar.

dont forget Dalinar is under the effect of the old magic, i dont know what it changed for him, but maybe it prevents the bounding of spren.

the question would be if you need to keep things in mind to trigger them properly, or you have just to think that it wilil go up in x mins when you draw it, and forget. i think you need to think about things, until they are done. do you need to touch calk to activate it? atleast with the calk pice you draw with? at a side note, this could mean that Joel is a rithmatist, but cant draw, because he does not belive it.

somehow we could have known this allready. think about calklings. they are drawn and then orders added. we never heared about something to activate them. why wouldnt they run away when the first move order is drawn? because they are not finished.

he allready killed a shardbarer with just his basic weapons. about better weapons i think two things are going to happen -first they are currently not allowed for the common ppl. only lighteyes are allowed to carry swords - maybe this means most of metal weapons too. -when the highprinces/king? realise that there is a desolation going, and see the foes, fight them, they might want to change the rules. dalinar could also try to change the rules, but who knows

it propably was glory spren, with the back and forth with kaladin in the book its kind of takes some time to find it, i dont want to spend =)

im not sure, but i think there was a scene in the book - on Kaladins army times - were a lighteyes attracted multiple honor spren. so they might merge, but there can be more then one too.

ok i think there is some combat training/skill neccessary to become a radiant back then. what about the ppl with bonds which cant fight? if they are too -old (to learn combat/be effection combatons) -sick -handicapped -weak they are all killed/put into prison/forced to become a radiant? we can be sure there was magic use, of thouse ppl which were not part of the raidants. they were not evil or bad ppl because of it. we are just focused on the radiants, because we need a powerfull group of ppl able to fight back. there were propably other non radiant organisations too, maybe with the same powers, maybe with different ones.

i think if Kaladin would have taken the shard, he would have been a bright-lord, propably higher in rank then amaram. im not even sure he would need to stay with this army at all. about the dieing bridge crews. Kaladin sees alot more ppl dieing without proper training in his service before beeing a slave. i would even go as far as to say, there were more dieing then at the bridge crews by shattered plains. dont think he would desert over this either, he would have been much more focused on his own squad anyways, because its his life to keep them alive. we never saw him care about other squads, just about some new recruits. he was allways trying to make things better for his ppl, not the ppl.

maybe they use only honor spren, i mean the knights radiant are creating powerfull weapons. you want to safeguard the use of thouse weapons, and honor spren maybe would require you to stay true to the knight radiants or doing good stuff. this staying true to the cause could be in connection to the laying down of the shards too, which dalinar saw in a vision. so there could be ppl using spren for magic, but not be part of the knights radiant in a large number. hehe funny! all i read was the powers of spren in connection with the knights radiant, but why should everyone with spren bonds want to be a radiant?

first i would like to say, we dont know much about rithmatics. but we saw a few odd things in the book, which do not realy fit into the current understanding of rithmatics at all. first is melodys calklings, doing things without orders, things no orders are known for. here are 3 options. Melody is not a rithmatist, but something else like the 2 (evil?) creatures, Harding and Nalizar. Melody is creating something like wild calklings >the idear of calklings in general is wrong - or limiting without reason. the next odd thing are thouse two new lines, line of revocation and the sign of silence. the supringing thing here is, you need to know what they do. drawing them "perfectly" is not doing anything alone. >the understanding of a line is more importand then its perfection. >only a small part of rithmatics is understood, there might be lots and lots of things unknown. calk creatures dont like the mesurement of time, gears, (mathematics?) i think thouse things are a bit about perfection. perfection is usualy a good thing, until youre facing it. like drawing something with a pattern, and comparing it to youre freehand, youre imperfection. we even masure rithmatics with this, is youre circle, line perfect? why would thouse creatures dislike perfection? i think they dont like it, because we are naturally comparing it to our work. we do good/bad depending on the comparison. could it be all wrong? and it is not about perfection but youre perception about the things you draw? when you belief in youre calk/drawing it is strong? if it is about willpower not drawing skill? the drawing skill is just away to belief in youre drawing? an imperfect way. i have two more examples that the perfection of things cant be the way or so importand as its shown. in combat Harding uses a pice of calk on top of his gun. -> drawing with this would be a very bad idear, because it would make it so much more difficult to draw perfect. but dont forget Harding is controlled by a calk creature. it does not belive in our perfection system - why? it was never about perfection. another calk creature, Nalizar shows us again that perfection cant be the target. hes drawing with a pice of calk on the top of his shoe. this is again no way to draw perfect. lets have a look at calklings. they seem to lack everything about mesurement, math and symetrie. none of thouse are a factor in theire strength. we only know that good drawings are stronger, but where is the math in Melodys Unicorns? its like this is a compleatly different magic system, as all thouse lines and forms. its not fitting together. now we should look at calklings and humans made into claklings. the usual calkling can be destroyed with acid, but the humans turned into calklings can only be stoped, they regenerate. i would say there is little drawing skill used, by creating human calklings at all. but beliefing in a living thing, which has its own willpower is much stronger then beliefing in a drawing. so the human calkling is the strongest. rithmatics is about the perception of the drawings, by its creator. when the creator has a better understanding/belief of the drawings they will be stronger and do more and better stuff(Melody). rithmatics is taught in a bad way, with tools to mesure up to and constand critisism about the drawings. technical perfection is wanted, so you allways put youreselfe in a bad position. maybe perfection is a part of rithmatics which can make things stronger, but it seems the larger, more importand part is youre mindset, the perception.

we dont know much at all about Elhokar. more or less hes afraid of assasins. can fight with sword+plate (powerless) king easy to manipulate not much about things he does, or did in his youth.

its not like he could have done anything, without being demoted or dead. this could repeat itselfe, until he cant do anything at all

maybe Szeth attacked them on a gem-heart hunt, their he would only fight soldieres, it pained him to kill civiliance before. here he would have lots of combat advantages too. Kaladin can not realy fight him at all, not haveing any shards, so it would make sence to carry the gem-heart away from Szeth to weaken him. this would make several problems for Kaladin, because ppl would think hes running away from his bodyguarding job.

i thought they were going into the sunlight, to accumulate heat like raptiles. atleast there were a few senctences which sounded like this.