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I have a theory that I am polishing that can give us a good framework to predict what future oaths will be like, and the truth is I think that only the Elsecallers should worry (And even so, just as he said, the probability of danger is reduced by the incorporation of spren morale) I think this might be the one you're looking for.

Regarding this topic, I don't like to spam other threads that don't belong, but to avoid repeating myself, you could take a look at my first publication in the theory thread about books 6 to 10. If an authoritarian government system were to exist in Roshar it could well be that. G.I.Joe movie, I remember that they are extremely imprecise if they are not located in low orbit. I feel like the answer will simply be Honor put restrictions in place, and they are still active for everyone except the Bondsmiths (Since they are the key to the system). But if you want, we also have a slight evidence that the reactions of the objects manifested by soulcast have slightly attenuated chemical reactions. As one of the WoB posted by @alder24 says. I believe that eventually we will have an entire physics book published on the laws in the cosmere.

Talking to some friends about this publication, we only came to one conclusion: Sanderson will surprise us and break our hearts in some way. But as far as fine points go, he was also almost unanimous about something he shouldn't do by the end of Archive: He shouldn't merge Shards. If he were to do that, it would be a very predictable solution. In case you need it, in case the final plan of the entire Cosmere is to revive Adonalsium, at least outside this saga. As for what I could do to give an ending to this style without the need to merge, it could be that, for example, Kaladin ascends to Honor, Adolin to Cultivation and Shallan to Odium (not for anything in particular, they are just examples) and that Those who change are the Bondsmith Sprens: The Stormfather begins to control both storms or ends up merging them into a single storm that provides Warlight The Nightwacher will also give the other hybrid light. And Sibling remains the same. Thus having a Godspren and his Radiant as a bridge between each god.

This is one of the few things where I think Brandon has played dumb. As Roshar is configured now, we know that it is unstable, the moons change their axis 180° per day, and in addition to that the planet has no volcanic activity, which means that in principle it should not have a magnetosphere (therefore everyone should die from radiation). One proposal I have is that although the planet does not have a magnetic field, perhaps the moons do and the interaction between these fields is what causes the highstorm. In this case, all Odium had to do was invest enough in Roshar to include a third field on the unoccupied moon (Salas).

I would also like to point out that the coloration of the lights on Roshar may not be due so much to the Shards that occupy the system, but rather to the moons.

Honestly, for some time now, I have considered that the way Roshar is configured in times of peace would be the ideal aristocracy. The Windrunners would be a competent parliament, where each town in the kingdom, if it has a Windrunner, can send it to represent its interests. Maybe if you have two in a town, you can rotate them each month to maintain contact with the community. The Skybreakers wouldn't have to explain much; they would be the perfect police, and the 5th ideals could be selected to be judges. If we have to put the Dustbringers within the government, they would be public works, more specifically quality control. The Edgedancers, beyond being the health system and possibly being involved in the creation of food, could be those in charge of delivering information on the problems of the day to the Windrunners in parliament. Entering the next section, we enter something more cultural and may be better outside the government. The Truthwachers would be scientists and philosophers; they would simply do the work they already did before the betrayal. The Lightweavers would simply do their own thing. As for the Elsecallers... as seen in their recent presentation video, they are very heterogeneous; they could do specific things depending on the direction in which they have oriented their oaths. Returning to the government. It seems to me that the Willshapers would look good as the constitutional parliament and, in certain cases, as defense lawyers (it may be better that only those of the 4th ideal are allowed to be one). Stoneward… Standing army. And finally, the Bondsmiths could form a triumvirate in which one is in charge of the purest administration (Sibling), the other is a general ambassador (Nightwacher) and the last has power over emergency decisions (Stormfather). It is literally a system of government governed by almost unbreakable physical laws, where the freedom to make decisions by government officials would be restricted by the number of ideals they expressed. Fun note: Plato thought that democracy (rule by the people) was one of the worst forms of government and believed that aristocracy (rule by the best) was the ideal. And since the origin of the idea of the Spren was precisely the Platonic forms.

Knight Radiant Order: Nomads of the unexplored Surges: Division True Spren: Autonomyspren Plate Spren: Does not have Resonance: - Ideal Theme: Be self-sufficient Oaths: First Ideal: LBD/SBW/JBD Second Ideal: I will find my way Third Ideal: I will adapt Fourth Ideal: I accept that others want to follow me Fifth Ideal: I am myself Although it sounds simple, it has more background, it is designed to be something similar to Sexto's life experience. I also realize that I have a clear idea of what the Sprens look like both physically and cognitively, but I better make a list when I finish all the orders.

Yes, that's a good explanation too. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the Elantrines we've seen outside of Sel that don't have an investiture fountain nearby look duller. I think I explained myself wrong, if you understood that. I do not mean that they are clones or standard copies; I mean that their Spiritual Ideal would be what was copied; this clearly would not include their identity (the identity of the vessel). Obviously, the Iriali would be biologically different from each other, if anything those who would be the same could have been their "inhuman ancestors" but precisely for there to be any difference between them and the modern Iriali at some point they had to mix with humans. I would appreciate it, after all these theories need to be updated over time.

I think the name of that Shard will end up being something very similar to "Vigilance". I am basing this on what was seen in Adamant, and that Valor ended up being canonized as a Shard. Yes, that was also one of the possibilities that I contemplated, but I always wanted to work in a framework where its religious logic was true, or at least it was true with the obvious modifications that something like that would have over the millennia. The truth is that it is speculation on my part, but it is a logical result after all; at first, he said categorically no. But then he changed his mind and said that the relationship was slight. If they had a very close relationship with a Shard, they would have a slight relationship with all the others (such as nephews and uncles). The other option to make sense of this change of opinion was that Taldain or some of the planets where there is an avatar of Autonomy, were included in the Long Trail. Precisely with Yumi we have an example that this rule is not always fulfilled, she is in fact much more invested than a Returned or even an Elantrine and does not generate such effects around her. In addition, we know that her life expectancy is equivalent to normal because she considers it that way. I would also like to remember that the Iriali are mentioned as golden people, a description strangely similar to that of the Elantrian (silver people). The Elantrian are mechanically immortal because they are connected to the Dor, but are they still just as immortal outside of Sel? Assuming that we applied the same logic to the Iriali, with the largest volume of static investiture being in the Utol system and most likely their innate investiture being used to maintain the "copying system", would the Iriali still be immortal? Here we return to the paradox of the ship of Theseus. I think it is unnecessary to repeat it, assuming that, for example, You change bodies with your neighbor and then, while in his body, you hit your head and have amnesia, an event that happens to you in a traveled where you are alone. Are you 100% sure that you would act the same way? Can you be considered the same person? It's mostly context for the next part, referencing an artistic part of their culture that is not taken into account much and serves me for this connection: Honestly, thank you, I didn't know this theory already existed. This arose naturally by associating them with the missing Hion line. In that context, they should be 1/3 of Virtuosity's investiture at most. If you want to add a 4th line of Hion it would be 1/4 of it but I am not convinced by that possibility given the properties of the investiture and the reason within color theory why black is added to the ink cartridges.

Caution: There may be spoilers for Yumi, Tress and, to a lesser extent, the Emperor's Soul. Ok to start I would like to provide a summary of who the Iriali are according to Coppermind: The Iriali have metallic golden-blond skin and hair that breeds true. They mostly have yellow eyes. They have had what most would consider to be inhuman ancestry, depending on what is considered human. The Iriali worship a god they call "One". According to this belief, the One knew everything but had experienced nothing. And so the One became Many in order to experience all things. As each experience is different, it brings completeness to the One. Eventually, all will be gathered back in when the sum of land is attained and they will once again become One. Every person is a different mind of a single being experiencing different lives. The philosophy behind the One is that the Spiritual Realm and the Beyond are the same thing and that, when a person dies, their soul goes with their Investiture to the Spiritual Realm. Most cosmere philosophers disagree with this belief. Seeing this summary, I got to wondering what if, like other things in the Cosmere, they are right to a certain extent? I started looking for answers in the WoB's and I found 3 very interesting ones: Sanderson has been asked if his beliefs are inspired by the fragmentation of Adonalsium and he said slightly but that there are events involved (in the timeline) that would be more influential. [ref] They have asked him if they are related to Autonomy, and he answered no. Then he thought and said that there is a slight relationship, but that it does not imply anything. [ref] And finally, Sanderson has stated that his situation shares some similarities with what happens in Threnody. [ref] From these 3 WoB's we can conclude that the Iriali town has a relationship with a Shard (that would explain the slight but insubstantial relationship; they would be related to another Shard that is not Autonomy), Their religion is based on events after the Shattering of Adonalsium and shares similarities with what happened on Threnody. Of all the Shards, the one that has the most similar shattering to Ambition is precisely Virtuosity; the only difference is that the latter was voluntary and with an unknown purpose. So I started looking for WoB's about Virtuosity and I found this very interesting one: It should be noted that in the WoB it is Asmodeus who assumes that Virtuosity was Splintered 1700 years ago, but if I am not wrong, what happened at that time was that the Shroud was created, and before its creation, were already splinters of that Virtuosity in the system. Ok, so starting from this base, I thought, what if Virtuosity splintered itself voluntarily (or by influence of the intent of his shard) to create a group of splinters that would travel through the cosmere experiencing everything possible and thus have a better perspective of... everything, and thus have better inspiration for art? And after a prearranged journey, all the souls (or copies of the Vessel's soul) that were sent to the spiritual realm would be reunited to rebuild Virtuosity. Here also comes a round of circumstantial evidence: The men often wear only waist wraps on warmer days. They are also known to paint their skin with colors and patterns. [Coppermind]. On Lumar, and likely other planets on their Path, they developed a written script that was written vertically, from top to bottom. [ref] (This is important for later.) Most of the things associated with them seem to have to do with yellow... just the Hion line we're missing. In summary: The Iriali may descend from the splinters created from a 1/3 of Virtuosity which by voluntarily splintering, manifested a group with a physical body and arranged them so that after a certain time their souls and those of their descendants would be collected in the spiritual realm. and they would put it back together with all that accumulated experience. Other considerations I would also like to include another theory here. And the Grand would also be descendants left behind by the Iriali (Logistically they cannot take all of them), that would explain their hair color, their eye color and their size, which could well be comparable to that of a Rosharian. In conjunction with this theory, it would explain their deep-seated fear of Forgery, since it would be an aberration for them to alter the soul of the One with false experiences. In addition, they are the perfect connection between the appearance of the Iriali and the Asian aesthetics of the Utol system. (At this point we can also include the topic of writing.) Additionally, it also opens up several interesting possibilities. For example, the culture of the Grands has more importance than we think. Could it be that 80 suns are the total number of suns in the cosmere star cluster? Or that the Long Trail is explicitly passing through planets with entities highly invested and culturally influenced by them. I mean, where you can find more artistic inspiration than in cultures that are more crowded with metaphysical influence. Finally, if you ask me, the order of the Long Trail would be the following:

I think I didn't understand myself correctly when I wrote the first time. I didn't mean that with oaths, you can alter the intent of the Shard; I wanted to say that it would serve to help in the fight against it. As @Treamayne says in the comment next, if what you are looking for is a specific framework of actions that you know the Shard wants to do and that doesn't seem bad to you, with oaths you can direct it there and avoid the aspects of the intention that you don't want to follow. I wouldn't be surprised if we're later told that the reason Ati and Leras decided to create Scadrial in the first place was to keep Ruin's intent at bay with an oath that "as long as I am allowed to cyclically destroy this planet, I will not destroy others" or something like that. In any case, the intention of a Shard according to which point of view can be considered a command: I bring this WoB up because if you ask me to change Odium to Passion, I think that in addition to the vessel being appropriate and the power wanting it, something else is needed, such as a Dawnshard (specifically, it should be the Rysn).

@Argenti Basically, yes, it's everything I imagined during the preview. It is also what I imagine of an Endowment Spren, I still have more details about how it works, and it differentiates them a little more, but not much. With those that follow, I will continue with my usual pattern.

Unlike the previous ones, where Ishar mixed Sprens to emulate the essence of other Shards, the following is a Nalthian experiment to replicate Sprens, it went relatively well.

In the first oaths, that's right, they start out being more than anything a nuisance, but in their last oaths, they can very easily convert the entire static investiture nearby into its anti-version. I honestly think this is a skill that Lightweavers and Truthwachers should be able to exercise normally; they just haven't realized it's possible. I say, after all, Illumination is the Surge of light and waves.

With the recent Elsecallers video, this is better understood; they are practical, actually too practical. They seek to be the best version of themselves, but I think that at least until the 4th ideal, they have no brakes. It doesn't matter if you want to be the best King, Slave Driver, Clown, Plumber or Chull Breeder, what matters is that you want to be the best. She must see democracy simply as a promising system for technological and economic development; therefore, eliminating the monarchy is a logical step. Additionally, we have the WoB, which says that Machiavelli would be easily accepted by them. And also about Jasnah we have the one that says that she would be a good Odium. Regarding my unpopular opinions: If Adolin were to gain powers, he would be an ordinary radiant. Dalinar is right to try to instill humanity in the Stormfather. Dalinar's redemption arc is more justified than Moash's one (at least so far). Dark One is a good comic.

Knight Radiant Order: Surges: Ilimination + Abrasion Surge Combo: This order normally uses Abrasion, but Illumination usually uses it to produce anti-tones. They attack on both a physical and spiritual level. True Spren: Ruinspren Plate Spren: Anti-spren (It is not a Spren made of anti-investiture, it represents the concept of "everything anti that explodes") Resonance: Override nearby resonances. Ideal Theme: Destroy Oaths: First Ideal: LBD/SBW/JBD Second Ideal: I will destroy everything to its foundations. Third Ideal: There will not even be a memory of what I destroyed. Fourth Ideal: I'll be patient if I can't destroy something all at once. Fifth Ideal:… DESTROY THE EVIL.

Exactly. In addition, this gives us the advantage that even if it is not Gavilar, it would allow us to create based on him (or anyone, really) a "person" perfectly designed to be able to bond the Unmade. You know, nine shadows …Although such a creature may not be stable.

I think I can put a twist on this. What if he is a clone of Gavilar? Let me explain: the general plot of another cosmere book revolves around replicating the soul (I know the book I am referring to may be obvious, but I don't put it because it is not the general thread), so a Shard could not grab and create an entity based on all the information left in the spiritual realm about that person who has already gone to the beyond (something like a carbon copy)

Any name suggestions are welcome. In other threads, it has already happened to me, but it doesn't hurt to say it: English is not my native language.

Knight Radiant Order: Conservative of circumstances Surges: Tension + Gravitacion Surge Combo: You can freeze an area in space (imagine it as the, never demonstrated, freezing of the space sector by the union of a green lantern and a stellar sapphire). True Spren: Preservationspren Plate Spren: Cubispren Resonance: Everyone close to him needs less investment to use the surges. Ideal Theme: Keep things as they are. Oaths: First Ideal: LBD/SBW/JBD Second Ideal: I will keep this [select something] Third Ideal: I will keep this [select something] Fourth Ideal: I will keep this [select something] Fifth Ideal: I will keep this [select something] If they wonder why the ideal is repeated, it is because, given the nature of the order, it is difficult for them to change even to maintain more things

Knight Radiant Order: Devotees Surges: Transformation + Progresion Surge Combo: Basically these surgebinders can modify their anatomy more than a Magnified One, we could almost reach the level of a Kandra True Spren: Dovotionspren Plate Spren: Concentrationspren Resonance: Know what you want from them Ideal Theme: Be devout to something (although it is usually the person bonding with Dominionspren a couple of the Devotionspren) Oaths: First Ideal: LBD/SBW/JBD Second Ideal: I must follow ...[Insert name] Third Ideal: I must be what [insert name] whatever it is. Fourth Ideal: To be useful, I must keep some individuality Fifth Ideal: My mind is not mine, my body is not mine and my soul will always follow you.

Knight Radiant Order: Will Disruptors Surges: Adhesion + Cohesion Apart from the normal access to these surges, they can also access their spiritual version; this allows them to begin to reform a person's soul from its cracks and, over time, "reform" it to their convenience. True Spren: Dominionspren Plate Spren: Captivityspren Resonance: The ability to sense how to approach a situation so that it is beneficial to you. Ideal Theme: Dominating everything you can about your environment and your relationships. Oaths: First Ideal: LBD/SBW/JBD Second Ideal: I will dominate my environment Third Ideal: I will dominate my acquaintances Fourth Ideal: I will dominate myself Fifth Ideal: I am what I've dominated As a curious note, Dominionspren are always accompanied by a Devotionspren, the latter usually bonded to the only squire who usually has these surgebinders.

I have ideas of how radiant orders could be those that imitate other Shards, but these would be irregular and not a good example to follow, as I see in the orders that are in the next 8 pages of this thread.

I slightly disagree; spikes seem to have the tendency to store the identity of their recipients as residue; if I'm not mistaken, it is in Handerwym's notes on the Koloss society in Arcanum Unlimited. Precisely, I always thought that was the mechanism; the hemalurgic spikes without identity would serve as a kind of valve to release the repressed personality of the mistwraiths, precisely for the same reason they are so reticent to anyone touching them, whether it is unfounded or they cannot think that the spikes would become contaminated.

I have always speculated that the Kandra spikes are the same as the Koloss spikes (soul fragments removed through hemalurgy) but the difference would be in the "donor" of the attributes. I think it is plausible that the Kandra spikes are the hemalurgic version of the unsealed metalminds, where the donor did not have or had his identity taken away from him.