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I honestly disagree... I think I've posted this before, but for me, Honor's problem is that he was the god of oaths, but he never bothered to have a defined ideological framework. If you look at the narrative in WaT, he only makes two oaths, and both are circumstantial (without foreseeing the consequences). I think things would have turned out very differently if, for example, Tanavast had just begun to carry the Shard and professed the ideals of Windrunner or Bondsmith. Or even further, and those of Elsecaller swore to Divinity.

I'm back on the forum and I find this post. I've been meaning to comment for a while now that the Trigger system is something I think would fit very well in the Cosmere, perhaps as an Invested Art manifested through Invention? Between that and some possible mecha, I'm fine with Era 4/5.

Sorry, I put Cilice instead of Silicon. It's basically one of the theories of extraterrestrial life, life forms based on silicon, due to the chemical similarities between silicon and carbon. Silicon can replace it in many cases. Therefore, it's also one of the candidates to explain the strangeness of fainlife. But if that were the case, the existence of humans capable of living within that ecosystem would be even more complicated to explain. Example:

I think I saw this statement in a WoB, but couldn't find it again. Yes, aesthetically, Fainlife is very reminiscent of the wastelands associated with the Eldrazi in Magic, with grey and whitish tones. Another thing I wanted to mention, but didn't know how to put it in the original post is that: If they are chiral organisms, then it also explains (or rather, the possibility) of the existence of human beings immune to fainlife (as Hoid would be during his time in Yolen (hence the white hair)). Unlike the other theory that was being considered, that they were life forms based on Silicon.

Well, to start, it is good to be clear about the concepts. What is Fain ecology? The Fain ecology is one of the two types of ecologies existing on Yolen. It includes the Sho-Del (occupying the same ecological niche as humans) and the dragons. The other ecology is the Trune, which we would call the normal ecology. What is Chiral? Chirality is a property of certain molecules and objects that means they cannot be superimposed on their mirror images. Example: Your left hand and your right hand are mirror images of each other, but no matter how you twist or turn them, they will never be exactly the same. In chemistry, many organic molecules are chiral. This property is very important because chiral molecules can interact differently with other chiral molecules. They can be classified into 2: Levogyros: They deflect polarized light to the left Dextrogyros: They deflect polarized light to the right In Earth chemistry there is a trend, amino acids are almost exclusively levogyros and sugars and DNA (and RNA) are dextrogyros. Okay, now that we've got the concepts out of the way, let's get to the heart of the matter. Why do I think Fain ecology is a chiral ecology? Or rather, why do I think it's an ecology with a chirality opposite to normal? To begin with, the reason I made the connection in my mind was because the potential effects of the proliferation of inverted chirality organisms in our world are very similar to the situation we know existed on Yolen. Anyone who came into contact with such life forms risked dying from a kind of poisoning. It's very similar to what a chiral molecule could do to organisms by "derailing" protein processes and other biological functions. This may be relevant considering that Sanderson studied biochemistry at university before devoting himself full-time to writing. This resolves many doubts: This is why fainlife is deadly to trunelife (conventional ecology) The reverse should also be the same. Why is it considered something so different, after all even the Kandra and the Singers are not something so different from what we could find in our ecology.

Hybrid Shards can still manifest properties of their components, for example: Harmony can manifest Lerasium and Atium if he so chooses.

Wiki. I didn't insinuate that. I understand that, that's why I also used examples from Strixhaven. Yes, it is a better approach and supports much of my point regarding the Shards which Sanderson himself has defined. Indeed, that is my point. Many times when I read opinions of how Dominion should have been, I find myself with the perspective of being a cartoon Tyrant seeking raw and direct dominance (something more mono-Black or Black/Red). And not so much the calculating and methodical entity that I think it could have been. Also, the Shards not only like to exercise their intent, but for other beings to exercise it, not only do they like to dominate, but for others to dominate in turn. And that fits with something more structured like White/Black.

Introduction I know very well that this topic goes far beyond the general story and enters more into meta-narrative speculations. But I still believe that it is a very useful tool to interpret Sanderson's own opinion regarding the behavior of his characters. Now for some context. Sanderson was asked a while back how he would categorize the shards according to the colors of the MtG game. There are 5 colors and each one has a series of ideas traditionally associated with it: White: Peace Law Structure Selflessness Equality Blue: Knowledge Deceit Caution Deliberation Perfection Black: Power Self-interest Death Sacrifice Uninhibitedness Red: Freedom Emotion Action Impulse Destruction Green: Nature Wildlife Connection Spirituality Tradition Through these descriptions and combinations of them we can speculate a lot about the behavior of the Shards or at worst how Sanderson expects them to behave (in case we as readers interpret it differently). Over the years Sanderson has given his opinion on a few: 2018 [ref1]: Ruin: Black. Odium: Red. Honor: White. Preservation: White. Cultivation: Green. Devotion: Red/Green. Dominion: White/Black. Autonomy:"It's complicated". Ambition: Black. Endowment: Green (probably). Looking at this first comparison and comparing it with our current information, we find several curious coincidences such as defining Devotion as an entity associated with emotions, information recently awarded in WaT. Taking into consideration the previous point, I would like to point out the definition of Dominion as White/Black, which in MtG is linked to groups like the 'Orzhov' or the 'Silverquill', whose ways of acting are far from the fandom's conception of Dominion. 2022 [ref2]: Whimsy: Red. This fits very well with both the name of the Shard and the information we get from The Sunlit Man and Wind and Thruth. Caprice is a shard associated with self-satisfaction and the emotions linked to it. Now, as you may have noticed, none of the aforementioned shards are Blue (something Sanderson himself notes in [ref1]), this is important since said color is Sanderson's favorite [ref3]. So… What hypothesis can we come up with with this? A considerable portion of the remaining Shards should include the Blue color as an interpretation to define them. Sanderson's views on his characters, at least on a macro level, ultimately fit with his descriptions of colors: Categorizing Shallan as Blue/Red [ref 4]. Which is in line with his artistic predilection and would fit with what has been seen in characters such as the members of the 'Prismary' college in Strixheaven. And Szeth as White/Black [ref 4]. [Hypothesis] Fitting the remaining Shards into these categories Ok, first of all this will be a creative exercise since the ideal would be for Sanderson himself to define them and then we would speculate based on that. But as I imagine he considers that this could be a very big Spoiler for the intents of the Shards and that is why he has not responded again how he would classify them [ref2], this is still a good exercise in speculation. We have the following remaining Shards: Reason The first is the most recently revealed, Reason, which I believe would be mono-Blue. There is no other that fits that color so ideally. Invention For a long time I also considered Invention as a mono-Blue but seeing that the last Shard revealed also fits that color individually, I began to consider that it could be a pair, in this case Green/Blue. This fits a lot with what I've seen in the characters of the 'Simic Combine' guild and the 'Quandrix' college. Virtosity The Virtuosity case is quite simple, really, since its intent reflects both the technical aspect of the ability to create art, as well as the emotions that said art generates, then it is most likely Blue/Red. This is for the same reasons I put in the Shallan section. Valor My gut tells me Red/White, but the actions of said Shard contradict that. That's a more general question that's already been addressed, though. Mercy I honestly don't know what to think of Mercy, I'm at the point of thinking she's mono-White or mono-Black, it all depends on how Sanderson plans to approach the definition of his intent. Maybe we have another Autonomy case with a "It's complicated" Without anything else to add, I hope you enjoyed this post, I will be reading your comments.

The Sunlit Man Minor Spoilers:

My personal theory is that the god metal atoms are atoms that are not made of: Electrons Neutrons (down {2}, up {1}) Protons (down {1}, up {2}) Instead they are made of: Muons "Neutrons" (strange {2}, charm {1}) "Protons" (strange {1}, charm {2}) And that harmonium is precisely the equivalent of Cesium but with this change.

I've mentioned this in other posts, but I'm particularly interested in the symbolic implications that would arise for Kaladin if he were to swear the Bondsmith Oaths. Counting his original oaths, the herald oath, and these theoretical 4 additional oaths, that would be a total of 10 oaths. It would be very curious if because of this the power of Honor felt inclined to Kaladin as the power of Odium feels inclined to Ba-Ado-Mishram.

Godspren of Virtuosity. Personal theory.

As a slight side note, this is not the first time Shallan has done this, in Oathbringer:

The problem with this is that there is less time to carry out effective therapy. It feels like a "get well quick, while we're here years of war have passed"

Based on the groupings you made (according to Physical, Cognitive and Spiritual) I was able to do another of the most recurrent mental exercises when grouping Shards, grouping them according to the allomantically viable metals. And I think that this result is the one that has convinced me the most of all my attempts: Iron『Dominion』 Steel『Autonomy』 Tin『Invention』 Pewter『Valor』 Zinc『Ambition』 Brass『Reason』 Copper『Whimsy』 Bronze『Virtuosity』 Cadmium『Preservation』 Bendaleum『Ruin』 Gold『Honor』 Electro『Odium』 Chromium『Mercy』 Nicrosil『Devotion』 Aluminum『Endowment』 Duralumin『Cultivation』

Since I read this information in Wind and Truth, I feel that I old hypothesis that the true number of Preservation is 4, and I based it on the following WoB:

A couple of things before we start. Part of this post will be based on my guess that Honor fits as a shard influenced by a hypothetical Dawnshard named『Act』(way of acting, behavior, demeanor). But still the conclusions are the same even if you ignore that part. While I'll focus on the Tanavast/Honor case, this applies to the other Shards as well. Well I think we can all agree that Tanavast made many mistakes as a vessel of Honor. Starting with the central axis of the test that Honor (power) instructed Stormfather to perform, a test that had to conclude with the most important words a man can say (I understand you). Given what we saw in the 5th book, Honor is a splinter whose intent is defined by oaths, not by honorability, integrity or nobility. Only and exclusively by oaths and pacts. This would put Honor's way of acting on a scale closer to the Skybreaker's and not so much to the Windrunner's or Bondsmith's. Now, one characteristic of the Skybreaker's and Elsecaller's oaths is that they are the most intentionally malleable oaths: With this in mind, let's return to Tavanast's particular situation. Before ascending, he made an oath not to meet with other Shard vessels, an oath that he breaks and receives a slight scolding from Honor (Power), but since the oath was made before the ascension, this was nothing more. From here on we have... nothing. Tanavast does not make a direct oath from here on in regards to his way of acting as a deity, which leaves him vulnerable to the base nature of the shard. Although we also have the OATH in between, this is what encourages the belligerent tendency of Honor (Power) and causes that in the case of a clash of Shard's the destruction of the planet is assured. Let's step back from this case and look at another one to put it into perspective. Bajerden's projection tells Dalinar that the confrontation between Shards has happened before without the consequence of the destruction of the worlds they were on, but, that required that at least one of the Shards (Power) wanted to preserve. Here a possibility comes into play, what would happen if instead of Dalinar the one who opted for Honor was Kaladin or Lopen...? What would happen if it were a Windrunner? Here the entire paradigm would change since in the first instance Honor (Power) would feel the same discontent that he felt when he met with Cultivation, if the recipient analyzes that feeling and understands the mechanics he would simply have to reaffirm his oaths so that in the collision the damage be minimized. (Which by the way, was also a solution to the final situation of the book) To sum up my guess: Tanavast's mistake was not understanding his Shard and not having an oath framework ready to deal with Honor in the long term. Note: In reality Tanavast made many more mistakes, such as limiting the Radiants excessively and not giving them importance despite being its main social and military force. Not counting all the other things seen in the book. But in my opinion this mistake was the one that originated the chain of events that we all know.

Sure, but taking into account what is shown in this book, this arose spontaneously, I mean it is a very easy train of thought to form. -What is the name of the evil god who wants us dead? -His name is Rayse -Okay, and why did you say he doesn't kill us instantly? -Because he is locked in the next planet/world -Ah, do we have a name for that planet? -No -Let's call him Braize, I think it's a good name. It seems to me to be a very plausible conversation that took place.

From my point of view, Braize's core is made of Tanavastium. Let's look at the characteristics: Let Tanavast be attracted to it. Reinforce the oath. And attract cognitive entities (It seems to me more like a magnet than a conductor). Now, Brandon can still surprise us with a new type of metal, let's say a dawn-metal, aligned with the hypothetical macrointention of 4 shard's. That would be a big surprise.

Aligning the tendencies of the orders themselves (and the requirements to maintain their powers) with the functions to be performed as a public official. https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/184087-the-ideal-aristocracy-on-roshar/

I would attribute this to the fact that even with that flashback we do not have the exact process for the creation of the True Sprens. If they were indeed created by mutating existing Sprens, then the Cultivationspren's would be created based on the Lifespren's (100% Cultivation), while the Honorspren's would be created based on Windspren's (of which we do not know how they aligned after the fragmentation). However, as it is written it somewhat ruins the idea that Honor (power) likes symmetry, since if she did I would not be happy with the imbalance that this would entail.

There are at least 2 conjectures. Another shard is taking hold on Roshar (Possibly it is Valor) and the Unoathed's are their approach to the Cultivation equation, the color they are manifesting would be the color of said shard. Cons: The glow of Notum's shardplate continues to shine blue. That is a particular case of Adolin and Yanagawn's shardplate, this can occur if Adolin's armor is composed of Flamespren's or Bindspren's. The Stoneward's shardplates are orange and the Dustbringer's are red. Note: The most likely reason for this is that it is a Dustbringer shardplate, mainly due to the multiple references to flames in this book. It should also be noted that Adolin's shardplate has already been related to a Dustbringer shardplate during Dalinar's visions. Although I personally tend to think that it is a Stoneward armor given the behavior of the sprens that compose it. Mainly because of the "Sir" part. Note: The shardplates are the color of the order from which they originate, not of the spren that make it up, the Creationspren are silver but the Lightwaver's armor is scarlet and the Bindspren's are blue but the Stoneward's shardplate is orange.

Yes, and we can continue adding symbolism in the case that Kaladin has to pronounce the oaths of the Bondsmiths. Since in that case he would have pronounced 10 (1 Radiant + 4 Windrunner + 1 Herald + 4 Bondsmith). Being a Herald with access to X surges doesn't exclude the possibility of becoming a Radiant of a different order. Ash's possible joining the Dustbringers has long been theorized.

It may be a bit premature but… What if we can adjust this version to the Aethers?