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In fact we have WoB about it with its similarity to the tree of life

Oh, so they are absorbing liquid investiture. Interesting. Something I forgot to mention, regarding how I would interact with the metal arts; I like the idea that when you try to burn it it leaves you with a divine breath [Allomancy], and that it can store color [Feruchemy]. Now, what is strange is to think of a use of Endowment metal in hemalurgy. Although this pattern is not always met, since there are occasions in which hemalurgy imitates the effect of feruchemy, it could be that an Edglidium nail steals color (assuming, of course, that this is its effect to begin with). Another possibility, although more far-fetched, is that given their intent, if they have to take something from you, it is something you don't want, for example corrupt investiture.

Just out of curiosity, what books have you read from the cosmere apart from those from the Archive?

Sorry, I don't know if it's my translator but I don't understand how your question is worded. If you ask if you can create Titanium and Lithium with Soulcasting, the answer is yes, an amethyst is necessary instead of an emerald. If you ask if they can be used as material to be converted into something else, the answer is also yes, there should be no problem with the use of metals except, predictably, aluminum (and perhaps silver). And if you ask if they can be used as a "key" to do soulcating, well there the answer is no, at least in its Rosharian aspect.

The truth is that I have always thought that the intent of Cultivation has been misunderstood. If you look at all of her actions so far, they don't fit the image of a nature goddess in the popular sense of that definition; The Nightwacher is a Spren "designed" to never change, the allegory to pruning that she tells Dalinar during their meeting, granting Lift's wish (at least without any comment like the one she says to Dalinar.) And precisely the analogy to the Zen garden was one of my arguments when I discussed the topic on a Discord server. Cultivation is not a goddess of nature like you might see in D&D, but rather she is a goddess of agriculture like Demeter might be in Greek mythology. And let's think a little about the implications of the name "cultivation", it comes from the act of cultivating, that is, defining a plot of land for a fixed purpose. Maybe I may be a little biased but that is how I see the intent of Cultivation, as a farmer, a divine farmer but a farmer nonetheless. One that doesn't mind using insecticides of any kind since her goal is to get corn. Is there not enough nutrients in the soil? Well, I burn everything and there is already enough for the next plantation. The season has passed and I can't plant corn? Well, I plant something else in the meantime until I can plant corn again. That is why I cannot see Cultivation as a goddess of change, after all, going from hunting to cultivating is what changed us from a nomadic species to a sedentary one, for me Cultivation is the change necessary for everything to stay the same.

Speaking of Edglidium, I have always thought that in the vicinity of the places where Tears of Edgli grow, tiny traces of that metal must be present, which the flowers end up absorbing.

I don't really agree about Kaladin, he is basically the character most aligned with Honor according to the WoB's we have today.

Taking advantage of the topic, there are some things that could be interesting to consider: If it is already planned that the Kandra can reproduce with humans, it means that their organs are functional; therefore, their hair follicles should also be functional. It may be an ability that they have not discovered yet, or it may be that for the missions they carried out until now, it was an unnecessary waste of time to grow that hair. If a Kandra could reproduce everything based solely on genetics, without any additional information, it could very well become the ideal version of that body. (By ideal, I do not mean perfect, but rather the version with zero reminiscences of the environment, something like if it had developed in a gestation capsule.) In theory, you could get a lot of information from just the bones, since in real life, there is an entire branch of archeology dedicated to reconstructing facial and body characteristics based on the details of the bones. Taking advantage of the fact that it is the general forum, don't you think that the happiest Kandra of all would be a Radiant Kandra? After all, he could make the Causin Sprens form his bones and they could take any shape he wanted, almost without filing.

Because this way people are more inclined to write down the deficiencies in my theories, it helps me refine them.

I hadn't written down the part about them being more Smaller. Well, if there is still a possibility that the Starsprens could have similar properties to the Madras, it may be seen with the Tai-na. Although I am more inclined to have their "Souls" be radiant Sprens or failing that Sprens with large amounts of investiture, like Cusicesh

I was talking about it with some friends and an interesting comparison came up: Dalinar is Thor and Moash is Baldur (GoW 4 and 5). I think it's a pretty accurate analogy in several ways.

It's an interesting idea that came to me when reviewing my notes on the Larkins. The body structure of the Madras in the cognitive is very similar to that described for the Starsprens, the latter being much larger and much rarer to see.

Well I think I have to clarify this. I use the differentiation of emotional or natural spren, because it is an in-world classification as reflected in the coppermind. An emotional spren is any spren that represents an idea/thought that cannot be collected within the physical objects that surround us. (That's why Glorysprens, hungersprens and logicsprens fall into this category despite not being typical emotions)

This is one of the theories that has been on my mind recently, and thanks to the #SayTheWords videos I was able to finish building it (specifically the Skybreakers video) I also want to say that much of the initial foundation comes from another previous theory that was not my idea, but I could not find references to it in this or other cosmere forums that I follow. To start, I think we all know that there is something hidden within the graph and how it is organized. And according to Brandon himself, that something does exist, but it is not as momentous as a great revelation [ref] So we are looking for something more or less small. So the first question would be: What information do we have so far? The Sprens who belong to the top of the chart seem to identify more with Honor (an example of this is the rivalry that Honorspren and Highspren have over those who are most like him) The Spren at the bottom of the chart, on the other hand, seem to have more respect for Cultivation. Starting from the two previous points, the hypothesis could be postulated that the Sprens at the top of the chart were cultivated by Honor and those at the bottom by Cultivation. Note: I use the term "cultivated" because according to a WoB it is the most accurate term, at least from the ones that were told to Brandon during the question [Ref] But at the same time it seems that this was not enough, it seems that there was another secret. Well then, we can look at something else. Perhaps classifying the Sprens that make up each of the orders according to whether they are emotional or natural? Honorspren (Emotional) Hightspren (Natural) Ashspren (Natural) Cultivationspren (Natural) Mistspren (Natural) Cryptic (Natural) Inkspren (Natural) Ligthspren (Natural) Peakspren (Natural) Godspren (?) This doesn't seem to say much either, what if we also have the spren that make up the shardplate Windspren (Natural) Gravitationspren (Natural) ? Lifespren (Natural) ? Creationspren (Emotional) Logicspren (Emotional) ? ? ? Well, this leaves us with nothing either... unless we are interpreting them wrong. You see, this is the state my theory was in until the Skybreakers video came out and I realized one thing, Highspren are emotional type Sprens, not natural types: With this description I realized that this is exactly what the Highspren represent, they represent that feeling that everything must have a reason, the feeling of looking at the sky and feeling small in the world, of not having control and that a higher entity takes the reins. They are an emotional Spren, and also fits more with the theme of the order. Which moves us from this: To this: I think we are already seeing a pattern, we have a symmetry between the Sprens in the upper right corner, with those in the lower left corner. And continuing with the Vorinist maxim that symmetry is sacred, it can be proposed that Lightsprens and Peaksprens are not natural Sprens, but are instead emotional. And the truth is in the case of the Lightsprens we have something very curious to guide us by. Their insistence that they not be called Lightspren but instead be called Reachers. Could this be because they feel that the name Lightspren does not represent well what they represent? Given the context I am dealing with, Lightsprens may actually represent that feeling of satisfaction at having achieved a goal, or of getting out of a desperate situation. The light at the end of the tunnel so to speak. As for peaksprens, the concept seems simpler to me but it is difficult to explain (I literally have a meme that could summarize it but in honor of seriousness I will refrain from posting it). They would be the feeling of being alone and at a disadvantage in the face of adversity but at the same time believing that you can face and overcome it effectively (300 is a good reference for what I mean here). Having already explained the above, the scheme would look like this: So if you've gotten to this point you might be wondering, "ok exactly what do you want to tell me with all this?" Well, my proposal is the following: At the time of cultivating the Radiant Sprens, Cultivation and Honor took a group of 4 emotional sprens and 4 natural sprens and distributed them in half, equal parts so that they would be influenced by their intent. That is what I think the chart reflects, the creation and distribution of said Sprens, therefore if we continue along this line the causal sprens of the Lightsprens and the Peakspren would be emotional sprens and that of the Ashspren would be a natural one. Which brings us to the elephant in the room, the Mistsprens and the Bondsmiths sprens. In general, talking about these two is a problem for any theory, the first for reasons outside the book and the second for reasons within the book. The Mistsprens were apparently cononized as radiant sprens after internal reviews at Dragonsteel, it may be because Brando realized that having many groups of sentient sprens without them being radiant is a problem or for other reasons, perhaps one day we will know, The point is that they were not intended to be part of an order. As for the Bondsmiths sprens, they are too unique, so much so that depending even on their date of "birth" they can alter this theory quite a bit. In my ideal version of this theory, the Mistsprens cousin sprens would be natural sprens that Cultivation tries to convert into emotional sprens and the Bondsmiths sprens would be emotional sprens that Honor tries to convert into natural sprens, perhaps trying to imitate themselves (Maybe using some Bindsprens as a base.) Well, I hope you liked it and I would like to read the comments (There is a comment that I am almost sure you are going to make and I have a WoB prepared )

Ah ok, you were arguing against its effectiveness, not its reliability. I already got the idea. Well, in that case, to solve it, we could take into account @alder24 comment and join the Windrunners with the Stonewards in the army, and leave the Elsecallers in the executive, after all their oaths are in that direction. Ok, you make a good point here. The truth is that I only included it because in many countries they have said ministry, also going a little off topic I want to comment that I have also seen arguments against their existence, but generally they are based on economic reasons (waste of resources, overspending, etc.) But since Lightweavers do not require those resources to do what they do, I did not see a harm in including them, nor is it something essential. Not exactly, if you look at my proposal, the 5th Ideal Skybreakers should leave the field and dedicate themselves solely to judging. Nale is not doing that, she is taking all the responsibilities on her behalf. Now if we go to his character arc, if you look closely we see him for the first time as Lift's antagonist since he is marrying the Radiants because it is prophesied that if they return, so will the Desolations. While from the reader's point of view we know that he is not like that (for now) he is sure of this and seeks to protect Roshar (this is more than we can see of the other 8). Nale's cognitive problem is shown to us when everything has passed, the Eternal Storm is already here, his work is futile, but technically he never breaks what we have insurance for a Skybreaker, the Law. Of course you could counterargue me with his change of side in the war. And it would be a good argument, but at least from my point of view it is a logical action given the nature of the order. In the #SayTheWords video about them, their search for a higher morality is mentioned (This part is very important, it literally unlocked several theories that I had stuck). Well, during the creation of the order, said morality was Honor, the god centered on the planet, when Honor disappeared and the desolations having ended for the moment, that morality became the laws, but now when the Fused ones return ("Original owners of said lands") their laws have priority over human ones on a moral level (Although I suspect there is a plottwist in this regard)

I'm thinking, what happened there is that a part was lost in the translation. What I wanted to say there is that capitalism has proven to be the best resource management system, not a governance system. The comparison with democracy is basically because they function similarly to each other, at least that is my point of view. I think that's where the part comes into play: the system is not based on the opinions of the Spren or their radiants, but rather on the internal morality that they manage, which is why the clause of loss of the Spren, loss of position . This is something that is automatic of the radiant system and until now cannot be altered by anyone, the Stormfather cannot prevent someone from bonding to a Spren despite being the one who accepts the words, and at the same time he does not have the ability to maintain the bond when a radiant is breaking an oath. That was one of the reasons that led me to outline them in specific positions, orders like the Willshapers are difficult to fit if they are not in something they like. The truth is that we do not have enough information to contrast it, and precisely based on the time it has taken me to write this publication, I asked myself the same question as to why exactly the silver kingdoms fell silent. I have a vague theory as to why this was, but at the moment as far as is known, it could all very well have been the fault of the hierocracy. I was also toying with that idea, but as you mentioned before, the Sprens also have their agendas (as we saw in Lasting Integrity), humans are important here because as I answered before, the important thing is the radiant bond, if it is missing It doesn't matter what they both think, the bond is broken and everyone realizes it. Well, if you could give another example, it would be good since Shallan in particular is a very abnormal case, and even if she were the most common Lightweaver of all, that specific order within the scheme that I proposed would be the Ministry of Culture, so since most of us are artists I don't see a problem. Now if we talk about her role as an intelligence ministry, well it would be something more circumstantial and you could only have a select group of them for those tasks. If you knew that I don't have a big problem with Nale, the problem I see is in Ishar whom Nale for some reason believes is the sanest among them. Well, seeing that this question arises frequently, I think it is also time to post what I think would be the reasons why the Silver Kingdoms arose.

I think I've mentioned it before but I don't see the problem with Adolin becoming Radiant. If you look at his character arc and how he acts it just seems like he is having full Edgedancer development. I know that many do not like this scenario because it is the non-radiant POV that we have left and in the first instance "I would agree with Dalinar", but I want you to keep a couple of things in mind: The first thing is that we are about to finish the first arc, so whatever happens with Adolin we will most likely get new non-radiant POVs starting in Archive 6. The second thing is that the problem between Adolin and Dalinar is not that Dalinar wants him to be a radiant, it is that Dalinar specifically wants him to be a Windrunner, if we go by the opinions he has we see that he values this order above the others (another problem for Dalinar to solve) since they were more like what he thought the radiants were. On the other hand, Adolin does not fit in with them, he does more with the Edgedancers, in addition to the fact that Adolin has the peculiarity that he has not left Maya, remember that the Spren usually stay away from the bearers of dead Shards and even if he were not, he can Let something like Rlain's situation with the Sibling happen where if Maya is conscious enough to want to have a bond with Adolin, the other Spren will stay away out of respect for her.

Not all the time, we have the example of the previous Radiant of Sylphena who was always a carpenter. Wouldn't this be more of a cabinet of ministers than a parliament? Although I must say that I like the idea. What's more, it reminds me of an old theory of mine (which at this point has been discarded) in which the resonance of the Bondsmiths made their squires always be 36, the total number of hybrid Radiants possible. Because what better way to forge bonds than people who have to understand the similarities and differences of those 2 points of view and live with them. When I designed it I was thinking about geographical representation, that is, a hypothetical government that would cover all of Roshar. Although of course this is only for Urithiru I understand that it is redundant.

Hello, I'm glad you liked it I also thought of something similar. But it seems to me that it still falls within the description of the 2nd Ideal I like this idea, but I think it overlaps with the Stonewards theme. Don't worry, we are the same XD

Let me start this off with the following two quotes: -Analogy posed by Plato in book 8 of the Republic (375 B.C) -Lindsey Porter, BBC Ideas (2021) Now that I've added a little context, I think it's good to explain what this post is aimed at. Recently, I commented in the "Some fun SA 6-10 predictions" thread about a possible government system based on the ideals of the Radiant Knights. And given the interactions that arose later in the thread "Conservation of Energy with investiture and authoritarianism?", it seemed appropriate to publish a longer version of it. Now, this is not a post against democracy by any means. Like capitalism, democracy has proven to be the most effective system for responsible governance, since it is designed taking into account the imperfections of human beings and does not expect perfection from them. And that is precisely why the situation that exists in Roshar is so unique, since the system of oaths of the immortal words is supported directly by the morality of not one, but two individuals (one of them being the literal personification of a moral value). And their union is subject to the acceptance of an external counterweight that verifies that the words spoken are valid. Getting closer and closer to that ideal of a person associated with the spren (depending on its type). Additionally, in this version it will be taken into account as if it were a government system designed only for the city of Urithiru, although with slight modifications it could be a system for a central government for the planet. General approach In general, this government system would have the following characteristics: The different orders would have a specific scope to which they fit into the public administratio. The level of power they have within the administration is as much as the oaths they have taken. The positions are not hereditary. If someone breaks their oaths, they are instantly unable to exercise. These characteristics allow us to solve the basic problem that the aristocracy has, which is succession. In real life, it is generally obtained through hereditary succession, which raises the problem that many times the descendants, not having gone through the learning process of their parents (not in the technical sense, but more on the part of difficulties), tend to be less judicious with their own actions. In addition to having an additional layer of security, this being the sworn oaths, we can know exactly that that person is working under specific principles. After all, by breaking the oaths, they lose their Spren, which is something impossible to hide. Now we will see the particular characteristics of each order… Windrunners Just as I expressed it the first time I proposed it, the Windrunners would take on the role of parliament/assembly. In this case, they would be those Windrunners from towns near Urithiru that are under its jurisdiction (I am assuming that it will become an entire kingdom and not just remain a city state as it is now). And they would serve as spokespersons for those who live there. If more than two Windrunners live in a town, they will take turns annually to maintain their connection with them. At the time of voting, they would be organized into 4 rings, where those in the first ring (the outermost) would be made up of the Windrunners of the 2nd Ideal; each one's vote is worth 1, the second ring by those of the 3rd Ideal and their votes are worth 2, the third for those of the 4th Ideal and their votes are worth 3, and finally those of the last ring (the innermost) correspond to those of the 5th Ideal and their votes are worth 4. In addition to this, if all the members of a ring they vote the same unanimously, no matter the result of the count, that choice is the one that would be taken into account. (This is also subject to the hierarchy of rings) Skybreakers The Skybreakers are easily comparable to this system; you simply have to make their 3rd Ideal be to follow the laws of Urithiru and you already have your police force. Additionally, those of the 5th Ideal can be made judges, but with the condition that they themselves are not on the field, so to speak. Dustbringers For those who have seen my theory about ideals, you will understand that the Dustbringers are a great mystery to me; I don't know exactly what to expect from them. But just with the information we currently have we can conclude that they would work very well as auditors, especially in terms of architecture. If Roshar makes enough progress in this field, they could be in charge of issuing construction permits. Edgedancers One thing I want to mention is that there is a problem in all government systems regardless of how they are structured, the bureaucracy and the civil servants who manage it. With this I do not mean that civil servants are inherently bad, but rather that no matter what type of government you have, they will be present and many times they are the ones who take the reins of the processes that the state has to manage. In some cases they can exert internal pressure against the rulers and their policies, even if these policies are popular or actually beneficial for citizens. The way to solve this here is to entrust this to the Edgedancers. Given its nature, the work of serving the public and communicating the real needs of the population either to the assembly or to the triumbirate (more on this later) would be really effective. In addition to the fact that they would be in charge of doing it since it is what they like to do, they would not mind being perpetual civil servants since within the same books of Brandon the nobles sought their company but they preferred to be with those most in need. Note: I know that when there are large amounts of information managing this can be very difficult, so in those cases the squires could be included as support Note 2: Although this is intended to be a structured system, this does not mean that those who make it up are limited by it if they can act to solve specific problems at once. So if an Edgedancer can solve something, they will do it once and for all and they wouldn't have to do something as stupid as filling out a form. Because yes, this happens in real life. Thruthwachers As I mentioned the first time I mentioned this system of government, the Truthwachers would not be integrated into it as such, but would function as a counterweight and independent agents. In other words, they would continue to fulfill the function they had during the heraldic epochs. Lightweavers The Lightweavers would fulfill the function of the ministry of culture, at least in times of peace. In times of war they would be in charge of intelligence. I think how they would be organized internally would be variable, but it will most likely be the same as we saw them in RoW. Elsecallers Elsecallers are those from whom you can get the most benefit here. Their particularity in being able to choose their own path of improvement makes them a very important wild card depending on their work. They can cover very specialized points that are necessary in public administrations. Now, as mentioned in their #SayTheWords video, they are a double-edged sword depending on what ideals they have pronounced. Therefore, if they want to work in the government, they must submit a list of exactly what they have sworn to do. Willshapers I know that some may debate this point but, I consider that the Willshapers are the ones that would best adapt to this system. They will wonder why? Because excluding the rules that I put in this publication, they could be very good constitutional lawyers, well… lawyers in general. The Willshaperd of the 4th Ideal (Assuming that my previous theory is correct) They can create a constitutional framework that is quite respectful of individual freedoms, but also has room for the creation of laws that regulate life in society. Stonewards Here are 2 options that they could take given their personality, that they be the builders of public works or that they make up the permanent army Bondsmiths The three of them would be the rulers and would form a triumvirate, each having a particular function within the government. One would be something like a kind of general ambassador, this would be the one who spoke with the leaders of other nations. Another would be dedicated solely to the internal administration of the kingdom. And finally we would have a third party who would only come into action in emergency situations (for example a war) where he would assume all political powers, but in normal times he would only be a spokesman for the people. In conclusion, I hope you like this creative exercise on my part. It is more than anything, a way of imagining how they would organize themselves, keeping in mind everything that the radiant bond entails. I would really like to see what you think in the comments.

I slightly disagree; Dalinar's arc still lacks something important: learning to let go of power and the bonds he created after forging them.

I fear that the latter could not be, given that memories degrade when entering and leaving a Coppermind, which would make the loss of information very frequent.

It's good that you liked it. And continuing along this line of thought, Kalladin's 5th oath would be something like: "I accept the honor of leading them, even if it requires them to protect me." Yes, I saw it too. But the "truths" joke is too good to pass up.

This entry is to postulate a theoretical framework with which we can possibly predict the general theme to which the oaths taken by the orders of knights in the following books would be associated. Based on WoB's and conjectures that we can draw from the information we already have available in the books themselves. I would like to begin first by remembering the information that you have provided us with Szeth's points of view, where the Skybreakers explain to him how they have schematized the ideals, which would be: Ideal of Radiance Ideal of Justice Ideal of Dedication Ideal of Crusade Ideal of Law Being the first generic ideal for all orders: “Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination.” In the second they swear to comply with the law wherever they go, this would be, so to speak, the leitmotif of this order and what differentiates it from the others. Third ideal, they adhere to a specific code, which they will have to follow no matter where they are. The fourth ideal asks you to look for something you consider unfair, and to take action to fix it. And finally in the fifth ideal “they become the law”, being a very abstract ideal that we can all agree with that can give many interpretations. Having already these bases we can proceed to compare these ideals with the next most seen from the reader's point of view, the ideals of the Windrunners. In the second ideal, Windrunners swear to protect, usually those who cannot themselves. In the third ideal, the Windrunners swear to protect in situations that they initially did not expect they would have to protect, either because they hated them in the first instance (Kalladin with the nobles), because they did not believe they deserved it (Teft with himself) or because they did not they wanted to accept that protection was required in those situations (Lopen). And in the last ideal that we have evidence of, the fourth ideal, here they accept that they will not be able to protect everyone. Well, here we can see that we have a connecting thread between the different ideals: In the second ideal, both Windrunners and Skybreakers swear to follow the main idea of their orders (Protect and follow the law respectively). This is confirmed to be the same for all orders (except Lightweavers) since we have Brandon's confirmation with the following WoB's: This being so, I will take the liberty of standardizing these ideals as the “Ideal of the Direction”, in which all those who join the radiant knights swear to follow the hallmark of their order. In the third ideal, the ideal of dedication for the Skybreakers, we see that Windrunners are also asked for dedication when it comes to protecting (Protect who you hate, protect yourself, protect others from you). It is at this point where they realize how far what they want to aspire to really reaches. Although the ideal of dedication seems like a good neutral term for all, I think “Ideal of Commitment” encompasses it quite well. From the fourd ideal something curious arises, they are no longer asked to continue further with the theme of their order, but rather to stop. This may be one of the most counterintuitive things about ideals, but I think we have enough evidence to back it up: Kalladin's own fourth ideal: “I accept that there are people I will not be able to protect.” The record 10-12, where a knight who was in Urithiru wondered why they asked him to say that.ecord 10-12 where a knight occupying Urithiru wondered why he was asked to say that. The general concept of the crusade for the Skybreakers. If you want me to justify this last point. Well, the concept of a crusade is directly against what they preach, it is an act of one's own will in which one seeks to solve things that from a personal point of view (not from the law) are wrong. As circumstantial evidence we have Szeth's own character arc, where he is going from blindly believing in the regulations and designs of others (given his trauma from being Truthless) to fully trusting his own judgment. Therefore we could call this ideal the “Ideal of nuance”, where the radiants learn how far their oaths go and where they should stop. As for the fifth ideal, I think we can very correctly assume that it will also be something abstract. If in the Skybreakers it is about “becoming the Law” in the following orders it may be something similar... But we still need something to finish deciphering both this fifth ideal, as well as the ideals of the other Knights Radiant, and that is to take Taking into account the Divine Attributes that the Heralds represent, ordered according to their associated number would be: Protecting - Leading Just - Confident Brave - Obedient Loving - Healing Learned - Giving Creative - Honest Wise - Careful Resolute - Builder Dependable - Resourceful Pious - Guiding As we can see in the following WoB [ref] the Divine Attributes do have a certain relationship with the ideals pronounced by the radiants. This can be seen in the case of the Skybreakers, where their second and third ideals seem to be linked to Nale's primary Divine Attribute [Just] and the fourth together with the fifth reference the secondary Divine Attribute [Confident]. The pattern seems to repeat itself with the Windrunners, where their second and third ideals seem to be tied to the main Divine Attribute of Jezrien [Protecting] and their fourth ideal may be the entry window for their ideals to be associated with the Divine Attribute of [Leading]. Thus giving us that most likely the fifth ideal of a Windrunner is “Being the Honor” instead of being something similar to “Being the Protection”. I think that a good generic name of being the case is "ideal of incarnation." Having sat down the bases with which to speculate, the pattern "direction-commitment-nuance-encarnación" and the divine attributes. We can move on to the following orders. Bondsmiths Like the other orders, we have confirmed their second ideal, I will unite them, being the oath given by Dalinar “I will unite instead of divide, Stormfather. I will bring men together. ” Without extending much here we see the theme of the Bondsmiths, unite, whether groups of people with their peers or apparently in the case of Navani with other aware entities. In the third ideal we have the commitment to be adequate for the role they are about to represent. “I will take responsibility for what I have done, if I must fall, I will rise each time a better man. " Being the central part of this oath to be a better person [ref]. We begin with the field of speculation with the Fourd ideal. As established, this ideal is the point that marks the end of the obligations of the radiant in regards to the address that the order have. So this means that for this ideal they have to accept to stop joining? Well, not exactly, if we look at the previous 2 Example what they asked for is to understand the circumstances where their previous ideals cease to be beneficial. Here we can extrapolate a little from the Dalinar character arch, in which little by little he has been learning how to forge ties between people and to part with his war part (this with a little less results). But what is the problem of dalinating now and who must overcome yourself? Well, we have this hoid appointment: Dalinar little by little, has become very good forging links, but not departing from them when building them. Dalinar has to create bridges, not him literally being the bridge. That is why I decided to name this the "ideal of faith" for the Bondsmiths; this is where they realize that they do not have to be supervising and managing the relationships they have forged; it is faith in these relationships. As for the fifth ideal, my proposal is called "ideal of the ambassador", since as we established in the previous point, for a bond to be effective, Dalinar should not be part of it after it has been forged, therefore something more appropriate would be for him to personify the role of ambassador. Someone who finds commonalities in various characteristics and uses them to make relationships smoother. Stonewards From now on I will stop mentioning the second ideals unless they are relevant to explain a later one, since the #SayTheWords videos are much better on the topic. As for the third ideal, something curious arises with this order. Sanderson canonized the following ideal years ago, but did not mention which order it belonged to: "I will stand when others fall."[Ref] Knowing what we know today, it is clear that it is an ideal of Stoneward's, and under this scheme it fits as his third ideal since he finishes explaining what is expected of them when they are where they are needed. In the fourd ideal would find an obvious symmetry with the Windrunners, if for them it is accepting that they cannot protect everyone, in the case of the Stonewards it would be accepting that they cannot be in all the places where they are needed. Continuing with the relationship of the Divine Attributes with the ideals, we could argue that one of the variations of this ideal could be something like: "I accept that I will not always be able to be where I am needed, so I will prepare others to be there in my absence.”" Finally, we don't know the Stonewards enough to infer their fifth Ideal, but if we were to bet on one, it would be something like the “ideal of the warrior." Willshapers The third ideal of the Willshapers should deepen their search for the freedom of others, perhaps in this case, as in the case of the Windrunners, it is the search for freedom even for those who at first did not believe it was necessary or Due to their specific situation they would not want to release. I decided to call it “ideal of equanimity.” Your fourth ideal should be a limitation for this call to liberate, and since the second associated Divine Attribute is [Builder], the idea arises that this ideal is the reflection of a phrase well known in our real world: “Your freedom ends.” where someone else’s begins.” In this, the Willshaper understands that as much as freedom is an important value and a noble objective, there are times when it is deserved that a person be deprived of it, if he or she acts against the freedom of another. We could say that this is the “ideal of society.” Regarding your fifth ideal, seeing how it develops in the previous 3, perhaps it is a call to be a guide for others. The one who ensures the correct development of society and shows a proposal of how it could be following the values of freedom, but who still has his feet on the ground rocks, and knows that certain limitations must be placed so that everyone has access to said freedom. The “ideal of guidance.” Elsecallers With the Elsecallers it seems that we have a situation somewhat similar to that of the Skybreakers, although in their second Ideal they seem to generically swear to seek to reach their potential, in the third from what we see in their video it seems that they select a specific topic to which dedicate themselves, this mechanic may be influenced by the time limitation that any conventional living being has (remembering that this invested art is designed for humans in principle) and the Divine Attribute of [Sage] that forces them to focus on something to achieve mastery in the same. The “ideal of specialization”. Continuing with his fourth ideal, precisely with this order his secondary Divine Attribute [Careful] perfectly aligns with the need to place a limit. I think it is not necessary to explain much more about this ideal. Note: Before taking into account the Divine Attributes for this scheme, I wanted to give this ideal the name “ideal of collaboration” since the Elsecallers are most likely the order that cannot have squires [ref] and since Their nature would tend to try to do everything on their own, I thought they would need to learn to work as a team and learn to accept help from others. Their fifth ideal would also be interesting, since being so differentiated from each other, it is most likely that upon reaching the fifth ideal they will already embody the ideal version associated with the profession or pursuit they chose. Lightweavers TRUTHS Truthwatchers The third ideal of Truthwatchers most likely has to do with accepting uncomfortable truths for themselves. This is consistent with the current narrative as this order is prone to attracting religious devotees. In the current situation of the Vorin kingdoms there is a lot of play, since they will probably end up publishing all the changes that the Hierocracy made to their religion and the existence (and possible acceptance) of Cultivation would once again enter the public domain. As for its fourth ideal, I have two proposals since I have not been able to fit the second Divine Attribute [Giving] with the pattern that the fourth ideal has followed: Ideal of the Teacher?: Basically it would be an oath to teach these truths to people. I highly doubt that this is the case since in the #SayTheWorlds video they mention something that suggests that they already do this as a basic thing. Ideal of Secretism?: In this version they would accept that there are truths that cannot be disclosed. It doesn't seem like a good direction to me, but in their favor they have the data that has been collected from the board game, and given that it has been approved by Brandon... I name the fifth ideal as the “ideal of erudition” since the theme of this order is closely related to this (much more than the Elsecallers as we already saw). Edgedancers We have already seen the second and third ideals of the Edgedancers firsthand thanks to Lift, remembering those who have been forgotten and listening to those who are not heard is very much in tune with the first Divine Attribute of [Loving] and the third It is a greater commitment than the second. Taking into account the pattern established in the ideals and the Divine Attribute [Healing], I sense that his fourth ideal revolves around forgetting. If we take into account Lift's character arc, it may be that for her it is making the decision to forget the search for her mother (just speculation), forgetting things that do us more harm than good and impede the internal development of the radiant, something like that like Dalinar and his situation with the memory of Evi. As for the fifth ideal, I chose to call it the “ideal of the legend” because what better way to personify a memory than to be a legend. I have some other reasons to think this is the case, but they are heavily influenced by personal opinions. Dustbringers Finally, the Dustbringers... to be honest, this is the order that was most difficult for me to fit into this scheme, their second ideal calls them towards the search for self-mastery and the truth is I can't think of how to go deeper into that for their third ideal, Added that the Divine Attribute that should play for these first 2 is [Brave]. As for the fourth and fifth, it becomes more complicated since unlike the third, they fit together too well. Since the fourth tends to be a counterpart to the second and that the second Divine Attribute for this order is [Obedient], could they give up their autonomy in this ideal? Is it something like the reverse version of the Skybreakers situation? where the Skybreakers follow a code of conduct (Law) and as they progress they gain confidence in themselves and their own points of view. Do the Dustbringers begin by acquiring mastery over themselves and then handing it over to someone else? The truth is, even if my scheme turns out to be close to reality, I think that in this last order it surely fails since it is the one about which we have the least information. It's worth mentioning that Sanderson has been especially cryptic about them, since we have even more information on the Truthwatchers (Not for nothing in his corresponding video, Senne Khald mentions that he's never actually met any). Summary Well as final thoughts, this has been a very entertaining exercise in theories. The truth is, I think we don't need much to have the official versions since the board game will be published soon. Without anything else to add, I look forward to your comments Wow, I didn't expect it to actually be published in page format.

Precisely, we know that there is a pattern, but we do not know how it influences the orders in which we have hardly seen anything of them. Here's a preview: Clearly, I have to translate it and explain the reason for what I propose, but first I wanted to finish with the parts in yellow.