DoctaDajman

Wont lie. I read this and immediately thought of the Gummy Bears show and their gummy bear juice.

I agree with @Corgen on this one. Once you have fallen roughly 450 meters you hit terminal velocity and wont fall any faster anymore. Hitting the ground from 450 meters or from 10,000 meters would be the same in terms of damage dealt. I think you are absolutely right about how you land making the most difference. Dont land on your head. Terminal velocity comes out at like 120mph. For reference paratroopers hit the ground at about 15mph. I dont know much about physics but calculating a 200lb man falling at 120mph, when he hits the ground it would be like 130,500 joules of energy. That same man falling at 15mph hits with 2,000 joules. That is a 65x greater amount of force. A quick Google answer estimated the force needed to break the legs at about 3000 joules. Which is about 43x less than terminal velocity. Pewter does enhance all of the body which is a big bonus here. Evidence suggests that all tissue gets stronger and denser when burning pewter. I would say you would need to at least be able to amplify your body to be at least 44x more than what it usually is to be saved from a terminal velocity fall. I'm not saying this is the way pewter works for toughness as well, but if the twice as much applies to the desnity and strength of the tissues then I would imagine that you would only need a few minutes worth of pewter in your system to duralumin burn it through the landing of a fall even at terminal velocity. The way you hit the ground also matters right? I think pewter would allow the person to reposition the best and time the duralumin portion of the burn the best to absorbed the maximum damage as well.

Do you think duralumin fueled pewter burn as the user is hitting the ground would strengthen their bodies enough to survive the fall? I guess you could tier this. 1 story? 5 stories? 10? Terminal velocity?

I think @Treamayne makes a good point about duralumin burning a set amount. While we dont have the figures in, I think it is safe to say that multiple ports could get around this as well. A person with duralumin and pewter to spare were to take the time to do the math they could probably find an appropriate ratio to have precisely enough duralumin loaded into their port to burn the amount of pewter that they wish to place in... Since it is a sort of indwelling catheter and port, I guess it could all be measured by gauge of wire and length of wire. If the ratio is a 1:1 volume of duralumin for volume of pewter then make them the same gauge and length. If it Is a 1:10 ratio that duralumin will burn other metals then that can be adjusted through the catheter length and gauge fairly easily. This would allow for precisely calculated bursts of power which could be really fun to explore.

If it worked like that I wonder if a pewter arm with duralumin could take on so much pewter at once to punch through thick steel? Massively stacked pewter strength plus the durability and enhancements to the physical bodies toughness... going back to Vin, she was able to crush an already enhanced pewterarms skull with a short motion headbutt... But beyond that... duralumin burning of steel would allow the user to avoid being stabbed because as soon as the steel punctured their skin they could burn away the entire weapon with a duralumin push. For that reason I think it is unlikely. Another possibility that would probably make this not possible is to think of an iron compounder... with a pile of iron that they have filled.... if it were all one massive chunk and they simply needed to burn the first tiniest bit to chain reaction yourself into being a blackhole... I personally like the idea that it will only react with what is currently available to be burnt which would be what is laying inside of that catheter. Aluminum casing hiding the spool from view would be a good addition too.

When looking at Vin popping another pewter burners head like a pimple via a headbutt I do wonder how well she could have protected herself afterwords. If I recall correctly she had already been injured pretty badly in this scene and then immediately following the headbutt she passes out. My question now is, what was it that made her pass out? Was it all of the damage suffered earlier in the fight? Was it one massive blunt trauma to her own head as she crushed the other pewter enhanced individuals skull like an egg? Or was it simply from the shock of suddenly not having any pewter left in her system? Think tanking a mechanism to automatically refuel metal into the system makes me wonder if Vin could have continued the fight had she not needed to be conscious long enough to drink another vial. A spool of pewter that is spring loaded and feeds into a port on the body with a catheter that allows the flesh to touch the length of metal that is inserted there. As the individual burns the metal it automatically gets pressed in to the end of the catheter again. My understanding is that duralumin will burn everything available of a metal you are currently burning at once and you get all of that benefit instantly. But with this port and catheter only a predetermined amount of metal is capable of being burnt at once before it reloads the metal via the spring loaded spool. Back to Vins case, if she were utilizing something like this, I theorize she could have continued fighting even beyond this via an immediate refresh of pewter stores that she could burn or even flare following the duralumin dump. Obviously this would put the pewterarm at more risk of pushing themselves to the point of death thanks to them not realizing the severity of their own wounds until it is too late. But... it is still a fun thought experiment for the potential possibilities of a mistborn or pewterarm / hemalurgist who could duralumin boost multiple strikes in quick succession. Between the insane boosts of Strength and toughness this user could be a true nightmare on a battle field. If you set up the catheter to offer 5 minutes of pewter to burn in one shot wouldnt that give each duralumin burst of pewter that much power in a single moment? We dont know if duralumin can be burnt over a second or two or 5 or whatever. It seems that they would use it all at once and thus 5 minutes of doubled strength would be funneled into 1 second of 600x strength for a single second no? Im not sure of diminishing returns. It doesn't mention them but I dont know that anyone has mathed it in the books.

I have seen that essences are tied to aethers in a way or that aethers tie into one of the essences. I am curious what peoples thoughts are on a waterbending sort of aetherbound... or blood perhaps? How do you think the blood essence would play out in the form of an aetherbound? Is there an aether that would line up with this? If the aetherbound were to create liquid, how would that work with their cost? If it were water they were to create would they be able to create more than they are using to create it? That seems sketchy but the blood essence is one that exists right?

Awesome! Thanks for this.

Is there a source for this spoiler? Warbreaker spoiler

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The magnified ones seem like the only one with no real reliance on Surgebinding to maintain their abilities and danger.

Thinking about the fused and their usefulness as a lifeless. I assume their powers will be unusable once they are made into lifeless which makes the magnified ones a pretty obvious choice in my opinion but I am curious what others may choose?

I like this post but I am curious if we have any evidence that Tension can be used from a range or if one has to be touching an item to utilize it. Making an enemies sword a floppy pool noodle would be great. But if you can touch it long enough to use the ability what else could you have done to end that conflict sooner? I agree with your last statement. Carrying sheets and ropes are a must. It is no wonder it is my favorite surge. I also love awakening and would love to see the two interact. It is probably the easiest path to creating a threaded cane. It would also be awesome if tension could control the shape of an item and choose to give a rope that has been effected some.hinges within itself.

Is this a shard thing specific to the metallic arts? If I understand correctly, hemalurgy was 100% ruin and allomancy was 100% preservation. So being able to power one or the other should be possible for any shard no? I know that certain shards are pseudo connected but they still have their own systems right? I guess I am asking, couldn't any shard be inserted into that WoB? 2008 what other shards did we really have confirmed for cosmere purposes? Most of these WoBs are digging back far far before Brandon had truly started fleshing out the cosmere.

Unless there was a hack happening at this point also where metals were burning but they all were contributing where they were needed. No more specific lock just a conduit for any power at all.

Yeah I honestly dont know what to make from that change. The way I am reading it makes me real confused. The first version makes this seem like a clear cut impossibility. The other one mentioned the power not letting him touch any of the other metals? So was the "its" mentioned in the second quote speaking of the mist? Why would he say the mist couldn't give him any of the other metals when the mists were being burned in place of all of the other metals before he has the realization of atium. Color me confused.

This is my next question and I will have to read for each time Vin burns the Mist... but does she use or describe using atium while burning mists (which is just Preservation right?). If she does then it would suggest that anyone with access to unkeyed raw Investiture who has experienced burning a god metal or one of its alloys should be able to use that investiture to act as that metal. It sounds really wonky but that is the only scene I can think that would give a solid foundation for the theory and possibility. My confusion here is that while we know that certain uses of Investiture and forms of Investiture come from different shards but investiture itself is simply power from the Spiritual Realm right?

Does this then mean that Marsh and Demoux both could have atium but it no longer works? If the table was fixed does that mean that atium as we saw it in Era 1 is dead and gone even if you could refine it from harmonium? I guess we haven't seen Death use it but assumed that was because he was preserving it all for the life extention benefits. Perhaps it is that atium became inert after Sazed took over? So do you think Thinker is strictly limited to electrum use or do you think he could be holding onto atium beads still only to find that they won't work if he tries to burn them? So much has been retconned since a lot of those WoBs that it is hard to draw a line here I think.

This is the first time I am hearing this. I always assumed cadmium and bendalloy just weren't known similarly to how the lord ruler hid the knowledge of aluminum and electrum from the publics knowledge. To hear that era 1 atium shadows are a thing that is dead and gone is mind-boggling, as I always assumed that the godmetals and their alloys would have places off of the charts. I figured the charts we saw before were simply based on the characters flawed knowledge of the system who were making the charts (which Brandon does and not all characters have a perfect knowledge of the system). If Triss were to draw a diagram of the allomantic table in Era 1 it could well look different than Era 2s because she learns more about the system. Perhaps if Elend were to have tasted raw investiture he could have shaped it to further juice up all of his allomancy in the way lerasium did the first time?

I was operating on the theory that pure investiture could power any ability based on intent. I may need to look for that in a reread. When Vin breathes in the mist does she ever use it to project atium shadows? She is able to use the mist to fuel all allomantic metals. If she does use atium with it then I think that will answer my question and prove that it doesn't matter which investiture you are using. Liquid and gaseous investiture, as far as I know, can be used to fuel any ability the person has access too. I believe this even proves true for awakening although the investiture wont stick as long and will not create objects that last more than a few minutes. But atium is a god metal. If it were as simple as intent to burn pure investiture and be given the result of atium shadows would it be just as easy and a result of intent to use pure dor to become a mistborn as well? So I can definately see the argument going both ways. If vin used the mists to produce atiums effects then it may prove that any investiture can produce the god metals effect. However if that is possible what stops kelsier from chugging down that liquid.dor one day and using it to replicate lerasiums effects?

Pure investiture is shown to work for allomancy. What if you had an electrum misting and pure investiture. We know that Atium is retconned to be the godmetals alloy with electrum, and thus anyone with electrum allomancy could burn it right? So could an electrum allomancer then use proper intent while filled with pure investiture to show other people's shadows instead of their own despite a lack of atium metal to work with? Could Marsh, who has good knowledge of atium carry around a canteen of liquid investiture to use it? What of Thinker/ Demoux. Could he hypothetically learn how Vasher is using stormlight and then carry around gems to fuel his atium use. (Side note, since the retcon is it just assumed that Demoux was actually an electrum allomancer?)

And it isn't just 2 worlds with their respective God. The shards from each of these worlds are conjoined and more powerful than singular shards from other worlds. Although I am unsure what Retribution is going to do for the Rosharans.

@Aliroz-The-Confused I'll be honest. I have always felt that Roshar was way too tilted power wise. But I always imagined Scadrial would be the initial aggressor in the conflict. I think we are more likely to see that Scadrial starts off a massive war and then peace talks come about as shards continue to get consumed and smashed together. I imagine the cosmere as simply being all of the magics mushed together and a bit of each being seen on every planet before too long. The Metallic arts will make a lot of technological advancements possible while the pure investiture of the lights will be able to supercharge and power so much of what is going on. We saw pure liquid investiture used for allomancy and it seemed to reach lerasium + levels of Strength. I dont know if it would work even better with stronger metalborn but I really dont think Brandon will end his Cosmere tale with one planet dominating and making slaves of all others... He has never claimed that the planets and systems of magic were meant to be balanced either... Roshar is powercreep to the max. Roshar and the powergaps between ideals makes Blizzard Games World of Warcraft Cataclysm and Mists of Pandarea look like the poster child of balanced power progression.

I believe there is a WoB to address the dilution. The power level in Era 2 is the new normal and has diluted as much as it ever will.

I agree this is a solid option. Honestly I hadn't thought of this. And I really really like the idea of something rubbery or elastic. Something that can deform and return to true quickly But how well would it hold up to slashes. I must admit this whole question was brought up by my asking if aether could actually resist a shardblade. If it could roseite seems the obvious answer. If it doesn't count as highly invested enough to resist a shardblade then I would want to work on an aluminum option. Of course normal aluminum as a bone is one possibility but that was when I imagined the deformation, even without breaking, that could happen from a heavy hammer swing. My next stop was to break down the anatomy of the bones. I thought of the porous structure of soft bone and the outer solid layer of hard bone. If I made the porous structure from something like titanium I feel like that would give a solid solid foundation for something hard to bend or break. Dipping it in some molten aluminum and allowing that to fully coat it seemed an optimal option for offering the investiture resisting epicness of aluminum with a solid core. But rubber. I didn't think of rubber at all. Is there a way to take aluminum dust and mix it with some sort of elastic bonding agent to give a highly maliable bone that will return to true and yet has enough aluminum suspended in it to resist investiture? That would be my next question to those engineers and cosmereologists out there.

Looking for thoughts on Kandra true bodies. I really like the aluminum true body but am struggling to think how well it will hold up and resist being bent in ways that would hold up long term against hammer blows. I was thinking about how it may actually have been advantageous to use a body that broke as opposed to bent because the broken bones still can be held together somewhat compared to bent ones which would surely cause the kandra some mobility issues as a fight may progress.