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Thinking about the Ghostbloods as they expand and get integrated in societies. Say one of them is being grabbed or thrown in prison and denied a phone call... What ways do you suppose exist that they could communicate without needing external sources? My first and immediate thoughts are hemalurgy but that would require Harmony to be willing to pass on the message. The same option could come in the form of aetherbound who share a primal aether and a Luhel bond. But is there an instance that wouldn't require a cosmicly powerful entity to mediate and play telephone for you?

I welcome it. Not really about flying more but just cinematic, cool, useful uses of iron that I hadn't thought of yet. I was talking to my kid last night about "nerd stuff" as we call it for my wife. He brought up the Big Hero 6 microbot stuff as well. I think iron and steel are going to work great along side magnetic and electromagnetic technology. For a compounder being able to store weight for a bigger jump and then iron pulling the trucks of a skateboard onto your feet would take away the need to even learn to ollie, just jump and pull it against your feet. All the benefits of being strapped onto a board without actually being strapped in and being able to bail at any moment. Although I am not a big skater... this might have made it more enjoyable for me. Or even those free skates would be super useful. Being able to jump over obstacles without losing the skate and just iron pulling it into your foot. Add in some higher anchors and you could use them to clear crowds of people on the sidewalks or lurch yourself up and over intersections without needing to wait for the cross walk signs. The ability to really just conserve as much effort and energy as possible are pretty bonkers with iron. I know steel could just fly but a chase scene in a place designed against allomancers with no anchors may find some free skates offering a lot more than simple flight from whatever coins you may be carrying.

Walking down the hallway at work with some nasty tendinitis today and I so wished I could just pull on the doors down the hall, but then it got me thinking how my body would enjoy being drug down the hall. My shoes would probably catch a lip and I would end up pulling myself into a tumbling bowling ball of flesh. But then I thought... yo I need to get some Heelys for this! Cosmere versions of Heelys I can think of are the obvious Abrasion, maybe an Airbender style ball of air from zephyr aetherbinding. Perhaps even some actual wheels from zephyr aetherbinding. Like I would be down with cruising on some roseite Rollerblades for sure.

That would be freaking awesome. Make copperclouds in demand again.

Absolutely. I liked it in xmen. I liked it in civil war. The idea of a registry drives me nuts but the idea of the tension an author could get when they use it in their book is awesome. Good to know about the 1980s. Glad to get at least one more era of loose rules and wild wild west as far as the ability to track and punish criminals. Although I say track but there will probably be enough tin eyes or tin ferrings around to legit track down criminals. Running away is going to be so much harder when someone can just sniff you out and the police have coin shots or steel runners to chase you down.

I like the thought on littering. Do you suppose in era 3 there will be a registry of metalborn and cameras that can capture something for facial recognition of said law breakers? Like cameras at red lights, you just get the ticket in the mail sort of thing? Not to open the can of worms that is registered powers because we have seen that in enough shows. But it would be interesting to see Scadrial go through those difficulties.

Thinking about Lurchers and Coinshots flying through the cities in the future and couldn't help but question how to avoid mid air collisions... I know I have danced with many a people where we are each trying to dodge the same direction and if you are both traveling 60+ miles per hour that kind of collision would leave both parties dead. My first thought was that buildings would have anchors built into them along specific floors. Iron would be required underneath and steel above these limits. Then following traffic laws as far as lanes and what side of the street to be on. This should avoid 99% of all collisions so long as they all follow those guidelines. And really they only need to follow them when in the presence of other metalborn. What other laws and regulations do you see popping up for metalborn. And more importantly how would you enforce these laws?

Exactly. I was even thinking about the potential of other contractors being irritated by this character because he would be able to undercut them due to having so much lower costs. If he could save on all of those explosives and man hours to tear down the building its all pocket money. Really nice return rates for that. I'm sure it would make him some enemies.

I was thinking of (and posted in another thread I will @ you in) an iron compounder who gets paid to destroy buildings. With the proper training I envision him as a trained engineer to avoid the whole getting crushed to death thing. I assume the proper cuts into support beams could allow a building to stay standing long enough for him to pull one massive pull at the base of it before it all crumbles in a nice direction. He gets to escape the added costs of explosives for his business but it comes with considerable risk to his own life... How he started up to get to this point? Who knows. Perhaps he has some gnarly scar or something from an earlier failed attempt which prompted him to go to school and get the training needed to do it safer?

These are great ideas. My character concept I was working on was a Deader (Iron Compounder) who is an engineer who specializes in demolition. He gets paid to become massively heavy and destroy structures, with the advantage of saving a bunch on explosives. Would a crasher do this job better? Maybe. Would a crasher be safer doing this job? Absolutely. Do I think that drifting behind trucks to siphon gas money from other people is even better flavoring to the character? Heck yes. I just think iron has so much untapped potential in the flavoring department. Especially as a compounder... wall running and ceiling walking are both epic to envision... anytime someone can take zero fall damage it is a win in my book. Casually stopping car accidents is a new one I can add to the list as well.

Yeah I think iron needs a little more help than steel does. My best hope would be to find access to an iron medallion or be born a compounder. Being able to store most of your weight would fix the dangers of anchors breaking and the lack of an anchor landing you deaded by fall damage. The slingshot thing I really am curious about conservation of momentum within a pull. From what I understand the idea is that if you cut your weight in half you double your speed but if you double your weight you half you speed (this is without counting air resistance). So if you only had a single anchor (I mean the rural power lines do offer 3-5 anchors each but there is a big old wooden post between them) and you pulled yourself towards it would your trajectory change too much to make tapping weight for a moment to slow and drop slightly before storing it all again? Part of me pictures it as just a fraction of a second of each power usage could be the difference between going splat and then zap into powerlines and even Speeding yourself up towards a dive bomb into the ground. Risky indeed. I like the idea of era 3 Elendel for this. Big metal beams being used in construction would be helpful.

Absolutely. That is the forward and backwards motion that you can do. Let go of pole A before you give yourself a headache and grab pole B floating beneath them all. I really just want to almost slingshot around the pole though and launch myself upwards and outwards from it using the conservation of momentum from iron feruchemy with it.

So I took a long drive through rural Wyoming and was thinking about flying and the metallic arts. I love iron allomancy and iron feruchemy so as I passed mile after mile of telephone poles I was thinking how iron would fly. My first instinct was to pull on each pole but I think that the arcs would be too angled and steep to really make good progress. So I started looking out 3 or 4 poles ahead and the angles seemed a lot more manageable. Then I was thinking of the cinematic web slinging spider man and his swings up before kipping a bit for a high arc and falling back down. How could this be done by an iron allomancer though? If it only pulls me to the metal then the metal will always be in my way unless I let go of my pull enough to let gravity stop me from hitting it right? How would this work with conservation of momentum though? If an iron compounder were to pull on an electrical pole and then stop pulling long enough to change their trajectory enough to miss it but then store their weight and speed up could they pull themselves and swing right by the anchor point soaring above it using the speed bump from storing their weight after gravity shifted them down ever so slightly? Or would they need some other way to redirect themselves than simply playing with their own weight? Further how would an iron allomancer shift their trajectory laterally if they only have a straight line of anchors to choose from? Obviously seeing miles and miles of railroads made me appreciate the advantage that steel has on iron when it comes to flight. But I am a sucker for doing things the hard way.

I would like to add to this theory that I find it odd that adonalsiums God metal would fit so easily in the allomantic table as well when we see no other God Metals within the core 16. I dont think this is enough to prove it isn't his God metal but I do think it would be really odd if it turned out to be that way. Is there something special about that slot? Also Harmony has hinted at how aluminum will become cheap and easy to come by soon... maybe that is a good point to its rareness. Are other God Metals just one technological advancement away from becoming commonplace?

I will have to check them out. That snippet there does a good job of illustrating some of the things I really liked about Denth.

I don't have a great reason behind this... but I really liked Denth. I feel like he was so straight forward with Vivenna it was almost criminal for him to actual be a bad guy. He told her the entire time that he wasn't good but that he just helped whoever would pay the best. His crew was top notch in my opinion. They all offered something and they were all twisted but almost openly so. For Vivenna to see their cold honestly and then choose to trust them despite them saying not to the entire time. She knew that the only thing she could count on was that they couldn't be counted on. They told her in almost every interaction. But she also convinces herself that she needs them. The whole bait and trap of it all was great.

Here is a WoB that sheds some light. As I read this I am led to believe that a gold burning blind person could sense the world around them with the gold burning in a way a blind person dreams. That makes me think that sensing the world around you while burning gold would be effected in whatever way you dream and sense / see things. My head cannon following that is that all 4 of those metals offer a sort of spiritual vision of the world around them.

If I remember correctly everything has a shadow and not just people. Even if you got a different version of inquisitor (god vision according to Kel in TLM) sight from storing gold/ electrum / atium / malatium and the future / past shadows were not present this combo would be valuable.

I agree with your assessment of 2/10. Atium is so rare that using it to store the shadows without any added benefit is a complete waste of time and a fortune... Sure you can store it but without the benefits is atium even really atium? Talking about how electrum mistings are who we saw use atium in the past thanks to the retcon... this may be a far better use of the combo. Electrum doesnt have the same mental enhancements that atium does and it is going to be far far cheaper and more available than atium. Not that I want to push past the one combo at a time but you could almost copy and paste this one over and give it a higher ranking than the atium one. The shadows are going to be largely ignored for these combos imo and they are more useful for pseudo dark vision. In a pitch black warehouse, cave, or even diving without goggles or light? Tap into your stored spiritual vision and you can see. Electrum just makes that vision so so much more available for use compared to atium. Furthermore, atium being burnt only to store it would be an utter waste of one of the most valuable resources in all of the cosmere. Not to mention that electrum burns longer than atium and the only amount of time you could store is equal to the total time of a burn. For those reasons I could see electrum / tin being ranked higher than atium / tin because it is easier to fulfill the single trick that this pony is with electrum as well as offering more benefit for far less cost thanks to electrum burning for longer than atium and being far cheaper and easier to aquire. Atiums rarity may make it a 0.1/10 in my book vs electrum combo being closer to the 4-5 / 10 range.

I think this is a multi part question. The mix I envision in my mind is this. Strength in plate is not effected by strength of the user. Speed and dexterity in the plate is effected by speed of the user. (To an extent). If... and this is a big if as I have seen some convincing posts that argue the absurdity of this claim... If shardplate does weigh more than half a ton, then I dont think any user inside of it is going to be effecting the strength. Its like power armor and the only reason it moves at all is because of the stormlight that is powering it. I dont think a pewter arm would be able to move the plate on their own. A pewter compounder who has hacked the system to not grow their mass might be able to... So in my opinion, anyone wearing plate is going to have a set amount of strength from that armor, which would limit the height of a jump to how much the stormlight powered armor is able to jump. Speed and dexterity in plate are going to be effected by the user but to a limit. I think that the shardplates ability to move will be the limiting factor. We see that users feel like the plate isn't even there. They can feel through the plate and it moves seamlessly. So this is where real benefits of stacking powers comes into play. I think that F pewter would be entirely replaced by shardplate and your ability to tap enough pewter to move locked plate would be limited by the shape of the plate itself. I think A pewter would not add any strength to the plate but you would be benefited by the fact that A pewter moves faster and more fluidly... the plate will simply amplify all of that. I think F steel is the real winner here. Being able to move the plate at blurring speeds is pretty busted. In fact F steel benefits more from the plate because plate will allow F steel to be used to its fullest period. WoBs say that that using f steel could cause friction to burn up the ferring at high tap rates. Plate will completely protect you from that. Also the plate is going to power through moving everything at those speeds far better (things get heavier when they move faster). I know this isn't cannon but one of the "From Brandon" sections in the MAG states this: Plate would completely negate this drawback. Perhaps plate will limit how fast a ferring can move but even if you could triple or quadruple your speed in plate being able to get the full 10x strength benefits from it and not being robbed of any kinetic energy because of the losses of tapping Speed you would be an absolute train of an opponent. I dont even think you would need any weapons. Running 80mph in a 1300lb suit of armor will make you a wrecking ball.

Yeah I can see that. I will have to maintain my feelings that Allomantic gold drags it down and Allomantic pewter lifts the other. My rating would be the opposite of yours for that alone. Even non combat I dont see much use of looking at who I could have been in another universe, but a pewter is always needed. And if combat isn't being counted then F gold on its own is likely more than enough. Being immune to trauma and acute illness doesnt save you from death entirely, Miles still got old. Having A-pewter to help take the edge off of storing in goldminds and not facing the risk of a traumatic death through constant combat makes the non compounded ability set even better. Every part of an active lifestyle would gain bonus points from pewter allomancy, look at Vin when dancing at the balls even. Doing yardwork or even moving furniture would be far easier as a pewterarm. If you are not constantly throwing yourself into traumatic situations then typical F gold is perfect for healing through the odd car accident or mugging. Spend a couple hours every day storing a little bit and that 2 weeks you would have have the flu gets cut down to 10 seconds if you want to fast track it. The odd knife cut... healed instantly. Compounding gold is only really beneficial if you are combat centric. Typical f gold and A pewter are great 90% of the time.

I actually think that for combat this bruteblood ranks higher than the immortal. Gold compounding is insanely powerful and Miles has shown us well the reason for that. But in everyday life I think that it is just too expensive and not worth it... I dont like pain personally and I dont do anything in my life that would require me to heal through getting shot in the face most of the time. A-pewter on its own is a 7/10 for my purposes. Its a ramped up Captain America build on a timecrunch. Offering it F-gold as a buffer makes it even scarier. My thoughts on infinite healing are more just a matter of we have seen how busted it all is with no modern day armor and protections. But what happens when you add in some sort of armoring to protect the vitals that likely cost the most healing anyway? Pewter will already dampen the blow and if you can stop yourself from having those vitals punctured then you can really start to ramp up the power scaling. And it should be noted that this build doesn't just limit you to melee combat. How much more protection could a pewterarm move around well in than not? They could probably function fairly well in ballistics plating along their legs and arms as well moving as quickly as a normal man with no armoring... and they could definately carry and handle far larger weapons onto the battlefield... the F gold they would use would be almost exclusively applied to shots that just happen to land on unarmored areas... If you can wear enough armor to cover up 90% of shots you would take and allow the pewter toughness to brute your way past the blunt force trauma of those shots landing on that plate... even a small tapping of gold could heal a ton of those issues. And being able to carry around far larger weaponry you really are able to function like someone with powerarmor-lite. I choose that over gold compounding because it offers so much more flexibility in the build. And if your not fighting... then A pewter is one of the most beneficial abilities in the entire cosmere for day to day life of a working man IMHO.

Range is also dependant on how large the piece of metal is. I feel like so many PoV are from coinshots who are pushing on small objects, but the larger the object, or the more metal in it, the further away you can see it. To topple a city this Deader (the MAG and my favorite term for iron compounder) really doesnt have to pull down a whole building at once. Simply targeting the support beams at the base of each building should be enough. And if Waxes braces (which I dont remember being described as full at any point) were able to give him the weight to topple a building I dont think a compounder would really need to have some massive storage space. Just think of Miles and his compounding... he had metalminds throughout his body but he wasn't needing to wear a whole suit of armor or anything and he was compounding to the point of savantism. Lurchers commonly wear large plates on themselves to pull metal toward for protection. This could easily double as a metalmind for them and I would bet would offer more than enough storage to cripple a city. Just look at how much the bands of mourning had and they were split between all metals. Marasi went mach 1 for a few seconds with 1/16th of a spear head she was able to hold in her hand. So I really really don't think a Deader who is compounding what is probably the cheapest and easiest metal to get is going to have storage issues. I think setting up on a city street and targeting the footings of skyscrapers could easily result in a toppled mess. And if you switch to storing rather quickly you can probably pull yourself to safety while the support beams are all busting up and the buildings start to topple. Maybe not leveling a city in one moment but I could see a cinematic scene of this Deader monster walking and causing between buildings only to see the road crack beneath him and the sounds of popping support beams and crumbling concrete. Then he slingshots himself forward with a giant pull a bit higher on each of them and stores his weight (like Spiderman with the double website slingshot). He becomes massive again mid air and the last tugs to bring the buildings down before landing at featherweight, tapping again, cracking the street again and wrecking the next buildings in line. Certainly the storage potential is there given our examples. Normal everyday storage for iron doesnt fill up Wax's bracers. And the amount of potential weight for a single second of use from a non compounder is millions of pounds in a single 16 hour day of storage at even 30% of body weight. Edit: Just wanted to throw in the epic wall running an iron compounder could do too. Store weight and little pulls along the supports... you could literally climb walls and crawl around on ceilings like Spiderman too which would be dope. As the building is crumbling your running / pulling yourself along it only to jump at the last minute and store more weight to float and take zero fall damage. While perhaps only multiple building leveling strength instead of full city toppling power, this combo is one of my absolute favorites for ultimate bad guy cinematic effects.

@Lopens Tenth Cousin glad to see this getting picked up again. I dont think that metalmind storage will really mess you up on this one. Iron is cheap and plentiful. We see Wax level a building and burst through his floor without compounding. If Wax weighs 200lbs and he stores 30% of his weight all the time... then in the 16 hours of him being awake he has amassed almost 3.5million lb seconds (a made up unit but if he tapped it all in all second I assume that would be 60lbsx 16 hours × 60 minutes × 60 seconds right?) And he did that day after day after day storing into bracers alone. This combo is terrifying and nearly blackhole worthy, especially if you got a buddy who was a nicrosil allomancer who was willing to sacrifice themselves as you burn instantly all of your metalminds at once.

I see. My question now is just how enhanced are kolossblooded. It talks about them being tougher and stronger than the average human but the only one we have seen on screen was a pewter savant so all of Tarson's feats of strength are completely unreliable for our scientific purposes of breaking down just how super soldier a kolossblooded is.