Whysper
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Okay, I can switch to join. Other games I'm backing up are having delays in starting, so I can start this first.
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Tani Definitely getting Elim vibes from them. The whole trying to save Matrim was not good. I know they are trying to say that they felt like that about any outed Elim Mistborn, but that surely looked like a desperate attempt to save Matrim in particular. We'd already decided that we needed to take out Matrim before he did more harm, yet they kept trying to press people to take off votes. Also, I agree we shouldn't be killing Illwei. I don't understand why a couple people are still pressing this. There was little reason in the first place. Just some guesses based on tinfoil theories. It's almost like they do want to shut down all conversation.
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I'm not sure if I'll have time for this, but you can add me as pinch-hitter for now.
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Laughing My A** Off
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Ahh, okay. So like in a previous cycle discovered her role, so then voted to kill her next cycle. I see. Thanks.
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What did you mean by this? I'm not understanding. Even assuming the vote you are referring to is the Elim vote (you did mention split vote scattershot) and not our execution vote, I'm still not sure what that has to do with a Cett Seeker.
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For the Quinn NK, I think it is entirely possible that the Straff Elims took her for a Cett with how she was trying to keep Matrim from getting killed. Plus they might have continued taking advice from Gears. It's also possible they wanted to frame someone like Illwei. Otherwise, she wasn't really a good standalone Villager NK since she was under suspicion and had mis-exec potential. Yeah, the Liranil NK seems like an odd one. I think they were kind of a null read. Definitely not a Villager read and people had some suspicion of them, but they weren't a strong Elim read either. I could actually see this one being a redirected NK.
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Indeed, the whole theory about the poke vote being an Elim signal is extremely tinfoil. First of all, you have to assume that the Elim would think to use this as a signal method when it could easily be missed or taken the opposite way. Then you have to assume that the other player would actually be confident enough to take it as a signal to do anything about it. EDIT: Also then assuming both those, you have to wonder if the result really gets them much benefit since it could just be discovered and draw attention to themselves.
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Well, glad to see that the Matrim situation is cleared up so we can go through with executing him. I'm concerned about Quinn being so tunneled on Illwei. Unfortunately I can see this coming from V!Quinn, so NAI.
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If they are working with this mindset and going after each other, that's even better for us. But that doesn't take away executing a sure Elim. We need to remove Elims as quickly as possible. We don't leave them around to cause harm. If they are going after each other first like you believe, then they would just move on to looking for the next Elim from the other team to kill off. That's good for us too.
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Haha, thanks. I didn't even get a chance to read the rest of the thread in detail, but I saw how people were arguing against killing a confirmed Elim and just had to step in right away. Yes, Village is the main threat at the beginning. There are many more Villagers. And Villagers are going after the other Elim team just as much. The problem is KP (killing power). The Elims don't want to lose KP too early. For the Elims, the other Elim team is still a source of KP, so they don't want them too weak just yet. And there's no specific thing giving Elims a better chance of controlling the narrative. That's all dependent on the player. It's really a matter of strong players can control the narrative regardless of alignment. But with this game in particular, it is much harder for an Elim to control the narrative. They don't have a chat for coordination.
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Well, exactly, and that's pretty much what happens at the beginning of multiballs. The Elim teams work on whittling down the number of Villagers, then go after each other. Though they also find ways to expose the other team and bring them up for execution. Good way to get Village credit.
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See, I don't understand where people are getting this backwards thinking. So every Elim we discover, we are suppose to just let them live and assume the other Elim team will kill them for us? And the fact that you try to shade me for killing Elims is pretty sus. EDIT: Some people seem to be thinking that the Elim teams consider their opposing Elims as their main threat. No, Village is their main threat. They do have to worry about the other Elims also, but Village is the main threat for both teams. EDIT: I think this must be the first multiball for quite a few people.
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Matrim's Dice We need to go for the basically confirmed Elim, especially one that's likely a PR. It's not a wasted execution to kill an Elim. It gives us another guaranteed cycle, so at worst it breaks even. We don't wait for the other Elim team to "eventually" kill them off. They have the same reasoning to say that Village will eventually need to kill off Matrim, so don't waste a NK on him. They have lots of Villagers to go through themselves. If we leave Matrim alive, he can use his abilities to cause mayhem. We need to remove the threat now.
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I love how you have the "rn" qualifier.
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I still think we just need to resolve Archer today. It's causing too much confusion. And there's no guarantee that an Elim team will want to take them out now. In most 3p games, the two Elim factions actually tend not to fight each other so quickly, at least not through NKs. They would actually prefer to do that through votes for Villager cred. Also, they may just leave him alive for the confusion it causes us and instead go for other targets.
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Yeah, but anyone who has read the info would know that too, so that wouldn't help any. If there is any faking done, it's more likely pretending to not know info so people clear you.
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The Terris would have given us random info on players. So we might have gotten something lucky.
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I think this is key to remember. The Elim dynamics are so different in this game. 1. There are two teams, so half the Elims definitely don't know each other and are actually against each other. 2. On the same Elim team, they only know their Mistborn, and the Mistborn doesn't know anyone. 3. The Elims don't share a doc, so they can't coordinate. Their only pseudo-coordination is to try to guess what their Mistborn wants from them. Additionally, it's kind of going too far to think the Elims specifically wanted either Archer or Striker dead for a strong mech reason. There wasn't even a chance for a scan or anything, so they have no idea on the roles for anyone. The only thing they might go off of would be if the players hinted at their role. If those players were specifically targeted instead of randomly, it would be for a reason like them guessing that their Mistborn wanted the player dead. Or to get a player off their Mistborn. Or that they just thought the player was a threat in general.
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I assume you are joking since now that we've pointed it out, if would be silly for them to do this and out their Mistborn. So if Liranil is NK'd, it's maybe more likely the other Elim team does this to bring suspicion on Archer. EDIT: Though to clarify, not saying that Archer can't be Elim. Just that a NK on Liranil is NAI as far as Archer.
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Oh, I hadn't thought of it the other way around, but that also makes good sense. When Elims really have no particular clue who to attack, I could definitely see them just deciding to go with someone voting against their Mistborn.
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:/ Quinn the more time goes on the more I’m not liking your posts :P. Or your vote hopping :P. While I'm not sure what to say about some other posts of Quinn's, I think this was a fair switch. First, it is fine to move around vote attention when we really aren't sure yet on a good Elim read. Second, I think Gears in particular is good to bring focus back on. Not just for being quiet since there are other inactives as well. But also for the fact that he decided to give advice to help out Elims. That's a more concrete example of anti-Village behavior.
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Originally I wasn't sure I liked the reasoning people were using for a vote on Archer. But now with your additional theory about Archer's vote on Striker maybe being taken as a signal for the NK, it does make more sense. And since quite a few people are wondering about them, I think we probably should just resolve it. Archer
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(Ventyl replaced out--that slot is now taken by Whysper) Thanks for pointing this out. Actually that's not that bad of a theory.
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BTW, thanks for tagging me. I did see the updated thread earlier today but didn't get a chance to read much or reply. I'm going through and trying to understand where everyone is at with Archer and Striker now.
